RE: PH Fleet: Porsche Panamera Diesel
Discussion
Defending the indefensible.
How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
"I even did a stint in the back and nearly fell asleep. This is unprecedented."
them in beige with 275 Pound beige seatbelts, also.
By the way. The engine really is nice. (I like it in my Audi) But the Audi
is quicker on the Autobahn, because of better aerodynamics and mine being a
manual (which Porsche doesn't offer on the Panamero).
So why not fully deflect to the dark side and lease an anonymous Audi Diesel Estate?
Martin 480 Turbo
them in beige with 275 Pound beige seatbelts, also.
By the way. The engine really is nice. (I like it in my Audi) But the Audi
is quicker on the Autobahn, because of better aerodynamics and mine being a
manual (which Porsche doesn't offer on the Panamero).
So why not fully deflect to the dark side and lease an anonymous Audi Diesel Estate?
Martin 480 Turbo
The Pits said:
Defending the indefensible.
How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
Tosh, balderdash and piffle. How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
I am a massive Jaguar fan. But that is a whole lot of wrong you've posted there.
The Pits said:
Defending the indefensible.
How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
You're a troll, plain and simple.How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
For the record, and to put what you've said above in context for other posters, you seem to be as pathologically against anything produced by Stuttgart as you contend Chris is pro, and your posting history demonstrates this. You have, for reasons unexplained, a massive anti-Porsche agenda, and you're as unswervingly and blindly fanatical about Aston Martin as others are about Porsche.
You've been barred from previous threads for your attitude to other posters. Please don't force the mods to add this to the list.
Stuart said:
, and you're as unswervingly and blindly fanatical about Aston Martin as others are about Porsche.
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Fair point - the gentleman seems anti German Cars or at least he does not appear to have owned one (according to his profile). That in itself is absolutely fine, but IMO no reason/excuse to knock Porsche & its fans..
Difference is what progress is all about.
Chris Harris said:
So you expect me to reinvent the vernacular of car-description overnight? Do me a favour: this is classic pedantry. I can't stand it when people say bored 'by' as opposed to bored 'with' - spelling 'some' correctly is another sundry gripe come to mention it - but I don't roam the internet vaguely offending people with my affliction.
The common understanding of the words 'power' and 'torque' may no longer fit the physicist's definition of them, and I can completely see why someone with your clearly expert knowledge of the subject finds that infuriating, but that doesn't render those words any less useful for descriptive purposes. It's not fake physics, it's contorted semantics.
So, when I say a car's torque output is high compared to its power output, you know that i mean - in the case of the Panam Diesel - that it has heaps more step-off acceleration and low-rpm torque than the V6 petrol equivalent. I refer to that thrust from under 1000rpm as 'torque' because that is the accepted vocabulary of this trade and the wider community.
I suspect most things about me would have LJKS spinning, but that's just life.
Can't you just give your fellow journalists a good bThe common understanding of the words 'power' and 'torque' may no longer fit the physicist's definition of them, and I can completely see why someone with your clearly expert knowledge of the subject finds that infuriating, but that doesn't render those words any less useful for descriptive purposes. It's not fake physics, it's contorted semantics.
So, when I say a car's torque output is high compared to its power output, you know that i mean - in the case of the Panam Diesel - that it has heaps more step-off acceleration and low-rpm torque than the V6 petrol equivalent. I refer to that thrust from under 1000rpm as 'torque' because that is the accepted vocabulary of this trade and the wider community.
I suspect most things about me would have LJKS spinning, but that's just life.
king for completely screwing with the proper definitions of torque and power that very much do fit the proper "physicist's definition" as you put it. It would be much better just to say it makes good low down power rather than say it make lots of torque. We know what you mean but why give the impression to us petrol heads that you don't know what your talking about, just because other journalists do so?If Porsche could get away from making it look like an ugly stretched 911 and instead gave it its own unique body it would be to me at least, a lot more difficult to overlook as a great economical, fast enough everyday car.
Edited by Speedy11 on Monday 20th August 20:56
The Pits said:
Defending the indefensible.
How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
So as far as I can understand, and believe me, it's very hard to decipher anything meaningful, you don't like the way it looks?How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
Nothing but praise? the Panamera has been lynched by most people - I just disagree with their opinions.
Feel free to sling some more personal and professional insults around - makes good reading.
Stuart said:
The Pits said:
Defending the indefensible.
How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
You're a troll, plain and simple.How unsurprising that CH would stoop so low just because it's got a porsche badge on it.
If any other manufacturer produced this carbuncle, he'd be at the front of the lynch mob.
Couldn't resist crowbarring in a pop at the hand that feeds him from Jaguar too.
Yet more insidious undermining of what's left of the British car industry.
Surely even the most blinkered porscheophiles are starting to question CH's motives now?
The panamera isn't just an affront to the name of Porsche, they've already sold their soul with the Cayenne, it's a insult to the intelligence of a far, far too loyal fanbase.
Seriously, a Mondeo is a hugely more attractive car to look at. A Mondeo. That isn't acceptable for Vauxhall never mind Porsche!
'Ladies and Gentlemen, the Porsche Dung Beetle. Inspired by the shape of a turd.' And we get nothing but praise.
For the sake of future generations porsche should be scolded for this act of design cowardice. You have to take a stand now or the company you hold so dear will be lost forever.
When you're sharing a Werther's Originals moment with your grandson he'll think it's dementia when you tell him how great porsches used to be.
For the record, and to put what you've said above in context for other posters, you seem to be as pathologically against anything produced by Stuttgart as you contend Chris is pro, and your posting history demonstrates this. You have, for reasons unexplained, a massive anti-Porsche agenda, and you're as unswervingly and blindly fanatical about Aston Martin as others are about Porsche.
You've been barred from previous threads for your attitude to other posters. Please don't force the mods to add this to the list.
Any sensible person would rejoice if Aston produced an SUV or a valid saloon that actually sells. I'm sure Aston themselves wish it could be so.
Chris Harris said:
Feel free to sling some more personal and professional insults around - makes good reading.
I'll hold my hands up and say that i wasn't a Panamera fan until I sat in Porsche GB's 4.8 V8 Manual demo last year.
The detailing inside is on another planet when you compare it to any of its direct rivals.
The equivalent 5-series or E-Class/CLS feels almost cheap in comparison.
I had a brief squint up the road in a diesel one a couple of weeks ago and as an everyday car it's stunning. The only thing that gets on my tits is what Porsche charge for extras, but that's not confined to the Panamera.
A diesel on the 20" RS wheels in black, while not a thing of beauty, is at least not so eye-gougingly ugly to scare passing small children.
The Pits said:
I have no issue with it being a diesel.
By the way, just for the internet bullies out there, I like the 917, 959, 968 CS, 928 and Carrera GT.
But, seriously, do you think the Panamera's good looking too Stuart?
You do realise that Aston is doomed ultimately, if they don't widen their range and do what Porsche have done?By the way, just for the internet bullies out there, I like the 917, 959, 968 CS, 928 and Carrera GT.
But, seriously, do you think the Panamera's good looking too Stuart?
Aston is the only remaining premium sporting car manufacturer that is trying to exist on selling 2 seaters and 2+2's.
Ferrari have Maserati as a sister co ( shortly to launch an SUV).
Jaguar have Land Rover.
The rest are VAG.
They're doomed I tell yee, doomed. Aston will probably be owned by TATA inside 5 years.
First things first, I am a Porsche fanatic... ever since the stereotypical 911 Turbo bedroom-wall childhood cliche. I make no apologies for that. I also love the Cayenne and (although I haven't driven one) have a strange craving for a Panamera.
I guess this car makes sense if you a company car driver who happens to like Porsches, are shielded from the ravages of new car depreciation and covering X thousand miles a year with a hint of eco-consciousness (which, apart from the latter point as far as I'm aware, is - in substance - Mr Harris's situation). Nothing wrong with that. In fact a massive market.
Far bigger than the market for £100k sports cars which halve in value within three years. Where I, like others, struggle is how this car makes a better proposition than a diesel Cayenne (which, objectively, is essentially the same car, but a whole lot more practical). The Panamera seems to be neither 911 fish nor Cayenne fowl. I guess the only explanation is that a lot of people really don't like SUVs... or perhaps it's a Porsche that you can buy on the company car scheme.
I'd have one.
I guess this car makes sense if you a company car driver who happens to like Porsches, are shielded from the ravages of new car depreciation and covering X thousand miles a year with a hint of eco-consciousness (which, apart from the latter point as far as I'm aware, is - in substance - Mr Harris's situation). Nothing wrong with that. In fact a massive market.
Far bigger than the market for £100k sports cars which halve in value within three years. Where I, like others, struggle is how this car makes a better proposition than a diesel Cayenne (which, objectively, is essentially the same car, but a whole lot more practical). The Panamera seems to be neither 911 fish nor Cayenne fowl. I guess the only explanation is that a lot of people really don't like SUVs... or perhaps it's a Porsche that you can buy on the company car scheme.
I'd have one.
toppstuff said:
You do realise that Aston is doomed ultimately, if they don't widen their range and do what Porsche have done?
Aston is the only remaining premium sporting car manufacturer that is trying to exist on selling 2 seaters and 2+2's.
Ferrari have Maserati as a sister co ( shortly to launch an SUV).
Jaguar have Land Rover.
The rest are VAG.
They're doomed I tell yee, doomed. Aston will probably be owned by TATA inside 5 years.
It's comments like this, tragic fans not content with porsche's unreasonable success but also relishing the demise of other car makers (usually British) that makes porsche ownership such a singularly unattractive club to be a part of. To me anyway.Aston is the only remaining premium sporting car manufacturer that is trying to exist on selling 2 seaters and 2+2's.
Ferrari have Maserati as a sister co ( shortly to launch an SUV).
Jaguar have Land Rover.
The rest are VAG.
They're doomed I tell yee, doomed. Aston will probably be owned by TATA inside 5 years.
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