RE: Chris Harris video: GT2 RS vs Panigale part 2

[anorange]

James, you work in 'Customer Relations' arguably that's a lifetime you'll never get back.

[hepy]

An even better test would have been to put it up against a 3 yr old used model, along the lines of this is what you can do for 5% of the price of a Porsche (yes I know it's not exactly correct but you see my point).

A few years ago, a bike mag raced a 500cc bike generally used by learners, against a Subaru and the bike won.

[murphy968]

Here's a great retro video of "Fast" Freddie Spencer racing hi 500cc MotoGP bike against a nasty 80s road bike and Nissan course car. Very cool, if only for the nostalgia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAMm0GMghN8&fea...

[Axe Murderer]

moparmick said:

I go to the drags a fair bit and to be honest, production cars, cannot get near superbikes over the 1/4 mile.

Mick

How about this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL8mpGhosxY

[Ollieb7]

Question is... what road car can keep up with the bike to 120.. Caterham R600, Radical, Atom V8, GRP B RS200.....

[Biker's Nemesis]

Ollieb7 said:

Question is... what road car can keep up with the bike to 120.. Caterham R600, Radical, Atom V8, GRP B RS200.....

Nope, not any of those.

[BBS-LM]

Not very surprised the bike won in a straight line, but as soon as you add some corners the car cuts down the gap nicely, and you see this all the time on tracks like the Ring, That bike must be putting out 800, 900Bhp Per Ton.

[DiscoColin]

And what all of this proves? I would still rather have the car...

Speed matters, but so do other things too

[goughy1234]

DeolTheBeast said:

I always find cars that can match superbikes incredible - fair play to the Porsche topping 200!


I'd love to see an Underground TT Lambo against the quickest superbikes - would be much more fair on the car!

What like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_JLu15TLoo&fea...

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYbYy_vwhMM&fea...

Have a browse through their videos they have plenty of good races

[gaz1234]

getting more and more stupid

[xRIEx]

Mr Whippy said:

That makes sense.

But if it actually accelerates faster at higher speed in a higher gear, the torque at the wheel must be higher, so the propensity to lift the front wheel must be higher too.

As said, I can only gather than this means the bike would be even faster than we see in that video if he'd got the nose back down and opened it up

But instead, it was fast enough even with the front wheel up, and looked cool hehe...

Dave

I think that was a big assumption by the previous poster, I've not seen anything to support that.

A bike is more likely going to want to wheelie when opening the throttle at lower rpm than peak torque (i.e. while torque is rising); for example, my R1 would try to lift on full throttle before 7K, but if you opened it up after passing that it would just propel you towards the horizon with the front wheel on the floor (on a quick dyno chart google, the torque curve is fairly level from 7Kish to 9Kish, where peak torque is produced).

Just for interest, this chart shows thrust curves for a 1098R and a Honda Fireblade in respective gears:

[xRIEx]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Ollieb7 said:

Question is... what road car can keep up with the bike to 120.. Caterham R600, Radical, Atom V8, GRP B RS200.....

Nope, not any of those.

I reckon the Atom V8 would make a good show of it, if Ariel's claim of "less than 2.3" to 60 is true.



For someone called 'Biker's Nemesis', you're very pro-bike.

[podman]

Cracking vid...In 30 years of bike riding, the only car thats run me close top end wise was a modified Porsche of some description, I was riding a Gen 1 Hayabusa with around 160 rear wheel HP.


However, in the real world, as the video backs up, we dont have 2 mile straights and it was only the fact that I did hang back behind the car to let it build speed that made it close, from a standing start it wouldnt have been a race as the car would never have caught up...a "top" superbike with do 180MPH in 15 seconds and in UNDER a mile, a qtr of a mile in 10ish and around 150MPH.....its a gap 99.9% of cars wont make up.

[Biker's Nemesis]

xRIEx said:

I reckon the Atom V8 would make a good show of it, if Ariel's claim of "less than 2.3" to 60 is true.



For someone called 'Biker's Nemesis', you're very pro-bike.

I've not tried an Atom V8 against a 1000cc bike but I have against in a 2011 Civic S/C Atom.

Its a long story with my name, I do like cars and bikes in equal measures though.

I will add that its relatively easy to drive a fast car harder than it is a bike, I'd say 70% of drivers could get near a cars limit where you'd be looking at 10% for bikers and their steeds.

Any Monkey can drive a car fast. (thats a joke for Mr H BTW)

[996 sps]

murphy968 said:

Here's a great retro video of "Fast" Freddie Spencer racing hi 500cc MotoGP bike against a nasty 80s road bike and Nissan course car. Very cool, if only for the nostalgia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAMm0GMghN8&fea...

Cracking video that.........

[anonymous-user]

Car vs bike = stupid discussion generally ending up in both parties in a pissing contest

[Grovsie26]

xRIEx said:

I reckon the Atom V8 would make a good show of it, if Ariel's claim of "less than 2.3" to 60 is true.



For someone called 'Biker's Nemesis', you're very pro-bike.

Must be close, it's not far off in power to weight at least lol.

For the car to have a chance it needs to be something like a tuned GT-R, or 911 turbo, something with traction. A GT-R with 700bhp should be rather quick off the line.

I remember an American drag race vid of a GT-R, Veryon and Aventator, and the big lambo managed 10.x 1/4 mile, that would make it rather close.

[Ollieb7]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Nope, not any of those.

Eh..has anyone figured a r600 yet? Nope.






But you are prob right...



Sayong that, has red victor not got a tax disk...?

[gaz1234]

i have not read many comments, but surely the veyron can keep up?

[gaz1234]

996 sps said:

Cracking video that.........

proper car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMSegwn7I7c&fea...