RE: MG to reinvent sports car
Discussion
BeirutTaxi said:
An MGB is not
1.) A sports car
2.) Worth trying to replicate in any way.
When you dig beneath the surface, some aspects of the engineering behind the MGB are comically bad.
For example, what utter idiot put the exhaust manifold and intake manifold on the same side of the engine? Nice, hot, less dense intake air with comparatively poor gas flow when it needs to be discharged through the exhaust.
Stupid rubber bumpers and suspension too.
A LOT of cars at the time when the MGB first came out used the same technology level engineering. The difference is most of them weren't still selling at the start of the 80s when the MGB was.1.) A sports car
2.) Worth trying to replicate in any way.
When you dig beneath the surface, some aspects of the engineering behind the MGB are comically bad.
For example, what utter idiot put the exhaust manifold and intake manifold on the same side of the engine? Nice, hot, less dense intake air with comparatively poor gas flow when it needs to be discharged through the exhaust.
Stupid rubber bumpers and suspension too.
SMGB said:
Agoogy said:
yeah...yeah we know....
There was a TF coupe proposal put forward in the USA in 2005 when all the unpleasantness happened. There was a consortium working with NAC. Sadly it didnt happen.I have to take issue with the TF being hard to work on, sure you have to remove the engine bay cover for plug changes etc, but once you have done that access is good. Everwhere else its a really easy car to work on.
I'm happy with the trade for how it handles, I put the Bilstein shocker kit on mine and its outstanding the way it rides and handles. Those shocks and eibach springs were specifiied in design.
If a new one happens and for once the engineers win out over the bean counters it will be a winner.
The sole example is sitting in a dealers showroom in the Midlands. Not for sale though.
renrut said:
A LOT of cars at the time when the MGB first came out used the same technology level engineering. The difference is most of them weren't still selling at the start of the 80s when the MGB was.
Indeed. The MGB was reasonably advanced for its price point in 1962. It was a bit of a joke by 1980. BeirutTaxi said:
An MGB is not
1.) A sports car
2.) Worth trying to replicate in any way.
When you dig beneath the surface, some aspects of the engineering behind the MGB are comically bad.
For example, what utter idiot put the exhaust manifold and intake manifold on the same side of the engine? Nice, hot, less dense intake air with comparatively poor gas flow when it needs to be discharged through the exhaust.
Stupid rubber bumpers and suspension too.
If it's not a sport car what is it?1.) A sports car
2.) Worth trying to replicate in any way.
When you dig beneath the surface, some aspects of the engineering behind the MGB are comically bad.
For example, what utter idiot put the exhaust manifold and intake manifold on the same side of the engine? Nice, hot, less dense intake air with comparatively poor gas flow when it needs to be discharged through the exhaust.
Stupid rubber bumpers and suspension too.
For the record a nice MGB is still one of the most fun cars I've driven.
As for the bumpers, well I like the rubber ones, over the chrome ones. The suspension was a cheap easy fix for the headlight height regulation. Would you have preferred they made the taller at the front instead?
Oh and MG wasn't the only car with rubber bumpers.
garypotter said:
Surely they are trying to re invent a part of the motor market that has already many options, When MG were popular 40 yrs ago ther was not much competition from the japanese, korean, far eastern market, Europe and the USA.
SuUrely the question should be Who would buy a chinese MG.?
They want to promote MG in China as a British car. A UK built halo model would seriously bolster that image in China, here and potentially the US. If they did a good job the company ownership would fade into the background. SuUrely the question should be Who would buy a chinese MG.?
The MG6 is too much like a Proton/Nissan/Fiat in appearance; not what is expected from a sporting brand. It's probably a good car but that MGB style crossover concept showed so much more potential.
It's a name that could have run against BMW and it's not too late but they need the products.
kambites said:
300bhp/ton said:
Oh and MG wasn't the only car with rubber bumpers.
It was one of the more poorly integrated examples, though. 
Edited by odyssey2200 on Thursday 22 November 14:40
Edited by odyssey2200 on Thursday 22 November 14:44
kambites said:
It was one of the more poorly integrated examples, though.
Guess I'm on my own here as I always liked them. I liked the way it made the car longer at the front and less upright. Something today you'd do in plastic, but that wasn't an option back then.This I personally think looks really good:
I admit it did work better on the GT than the Roadster though.
The later RV8 follows a similar design to the rubber bumper still, only a bit more chunky and being plastic it could be colour coded:
CDP said:
They want to promote MG in China as a British car. A UK built halo model would seriously bolster that image in China, here and potentially the US. If they did a good job the company ownership would fade into the background.
The MG6 is too much like a Proton/Nissan/Fiat in appearance; not what is expected from a sporting brand. It's probably a good car but that MGB style crossover concept showed so much more potential.
It's a name that could have run against BMW and it's not too late but they need the products.
Remember MG, as in Morris Garages didn't only build sports cars. Saloons and family vehicle were a feature too.The MG6 is too much like a Proton/Nissan/Fiat in appearance; not what is expected from a sporting brand. It's probably a good car but that MGB style crossover concept showed so much more potential.
It's a name that could have run against BMW and it's not too late but they need the products.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 22 November 16:01
BeirutTaxi said:
An MGB is not
1.) A sports car
2.) Worth trying to replicate in any way.
When you dig beneath the surface, some aspects of the engineering behind the MGB are comically bad.
For example, what utter idiot put the exhaust manifold and intake manifold on the same side of the engine? Nice, hot, less dense intake air with comparatively poor gas flow when it needs to be discharged through the exhaust.
Stupid rubber bumpers and suspension too.
Edited to add: That MG 'Icon' looks like an icon of what a roadster, sports car or even a coupé shouldn't be. Ruddy awful stuff.
Dont listen to Germany Clarkson. The MGB is truly great British sportscar. If its not how come there are grids full of them still being raced all over the world and examples with FIA papers change hands for £30K +?1.) A sports car
2.) Worth trying to replicate in any way.
When you dig beneath the surface, some aspects of the engineering behind the MGB are comically bad.
For example, what utter idiot put the exhaust manifold and intake manifold on the same side of the engine? Nice, hot, less dense intake air with comparatively poor gas flow when it needs to be discharged through the exhaust.
Stupid rubber bumpers and suspension too.
Edited to add: That MG 'Icon' looks like an icon of what a roadster, sports car or even a coupé shouldn't be. Ruddy awful stuff.
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Thursday 22 November 14:24
The underpinnings reflect the BMC parts bin in 1960 so its not milled out of solid titanium, well fine I can afford to keep mine going now. The guys who designed knew what they were doing, all the basics are correct and the contemporary road tests will confirm that. I can tell you that ours with 120BHP at the flywheel and a few suspension/braking mods has no problems with modern traffic, and is a hoot to drive.
The Ikon did produce a few comments when it came out. It would probably sell though, just not to me.
i hate to say it but i can't see how this will even make a dent on MX5 sales. The boat has been missed by a LONG time.
I'm more excited about the proposed collaboration between Alfa and Mazda for a new roadster.
There's only 1 Great British sports car anyone needs to worry about or be proud of and thats the new F Type!
I'm more excited about the proposed collaboration between Alfa and Mazda for a new roadster.
There's only 1 Great British sports car anyone needs to worry about or be proud of and thats the new F Type!
crispyshark said:
i hate to say it but i can't see how this will even make a dent on MX5 sales. The boat has been missed by a LONG time.
I'm more excited about the proposed collaboration between Alfa and Mazda for a new roadster.
There's only 1 Great British sports car anyone needs to worry about or be proud of and thats the new F Type!
Absolutely! That and the eliseexigeevoramp412catomcaterhamradicalmorgannobleetc.I'm more excited about the proposed collaboration between Alfa and Mazda for a new roadster.
There's only 1 Great British sports car anyone needs to worry about or be proud of and thats the new F Type!
A modern MG-A would sell a cropper when I think about it. The MX-5 is getting long in the tooth, we are the nation with the most convertible cars on the planet, and a S-2000 was too mental for many.
The MG-A has beautiful lines, wasn't difficult to produce and work on, and satisfies today's 2+1 society (either +1 Dog, or kid) quite nicely but had enough boot room for a weekend away for all.
The MG-A has beautiful lines, wasn't difficult to produce and work on, and satisfies today's 2+1 society (either +1 Dog, or kid) quite nicely but had enough boot room for a weekend away for all.
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