RE: SOTW: Saab 9-5 Aero HOT
Discussion
DippedHeadlights said:
That's right, the GM V6 of that era had a number of issues due to manufacturing cost cutting from new. Didn't they try to save money by change a timing pulley from alloy to plastic and it would disintegrate at high rpm and take the engine with it, there were also coolant leaks, (porous block ?).
A friend who worked for Opel told me at the time the V6 engines were "Scheiße" pronounced shy-str which is a good clue as to the English translation!
It's actually an Izuzu engine.A friend who worked for Opel told me at the time the V6 engines were "Scheiße" pronounced shy-str which is a good clue as to the English translation!
I picked up a 2004 manual 9-5 Aero estate with fssh and 2 owners in December for just over £2k. I'm very happy with it so far, averaging 27mpg, and it's usefully quick, comfortable and spacious. My insurance has actually gone down £20 against my old 2.0 Mondeo to just over £300. Part of the attraction for me was that you can pick them up with only 1 or 2 owners so they've still been treated like a £20k car.
MadDog1962 said:
Isn't there a tendency for these to crack their firewall (engine bay) bulkheads?
Quite ok for a grand. Probably expensive to insure in UK.
I think that's the cooking 9-3 models with far more power than the GM underpinnings were designed to handle. Abbott Racing do a 'rescue kit' to compensateQuite ok for a grand. Probably expensive to insure in UK.
Not much touches 9-5's for value - I'm on my 3rd, my mate is on his 2nd Saab, having done 60,000 faultless miles on his 2005 9-3 1.9 (150) and is now up to 160,000 miles in his 2006 9-5 Aero Estate (manual). He should be looking for his 3rd Saab by now, but there's nothing (and I mean nothing) wrong with his current one!
Curious about which remap is on the 'SOTW' car? Noobtune / Abbott / Maptun / a.n.other? I have a Noobtune personally... an enlightment having been a customer of Abbotts in the past.
Curious about which remap is on the 'SOTW' car? Noobtune / Abbott / Maptun / a.n.other? I have a Noobtune personally... an enlightment having been a customer of Abbotts in the past.
aeropilot said:
It's actually an Izuzu engine.
Yup, the 3.0 TiD is the Isuzu D-max engine, as also found when there's a 3.0DCI badge on the back of a Renault. Usually on the hard shoulder, with people standing nearby freezing under a shiny sheet realising why the car was so cheap.Edited by P2BS on Friday 4th January 23:00
P2BS said:
I had the 2.2TiD as my 2nd 9-5; great car, not too slow, but loud on tickover. Not bad on fuel either. Chain engine, so no cambelt changes to pay for!
The 3.0TiD avoid avoid avoid. Some people may have good experiences with them, but a hell of a lot of people have been stung.
The 1.9 (from Sept.2005) is the Fiat 16v 150bhp lump (as in the Vectra/Alfa's); the 120bhp 1.9 is better, but that's only in the 9-3. The 16v in the 9-5 needs EGR fettling, DPF removing to make reliable. Plenty of high milers out there though, so it is a proven engine - with well documented weaknesses.
The 16v 1.9 (y19dth) is a great engine once the egr has been blanked off and the dpf is chucked in the skip. Mine is remapped to 197bhp and 302lb/ft and embarasses alot of things it really shouldn't whilst still returning well over 50mpg average. The 3.0TiD avoid avoid avoid. Some people may have good experiences with them, but a hell of a lot of people have been stung.
The 1.9 (from Sept.2005) is the Fiat 16v 150bhp lump (as in the Vectra/Alfa's); the 120bhp 1.9 is better, but that's only in the 9-3. The 16v in the 9-5 needs EGR fettling, DPF removing to make reliable. Plenty of high milers out there though, so it is a proven engine - with well documented weaknesses.
rst99 said:
I would have mine back in a heartbeat. Actually, very reliable over the 5 years/80k miles I had it.
Very comfortable, economical and quick.
That looks awesome. I love the "1st gen" shape ones (the rear lights in particular). A totally class-less car from a sorely underated and (most of the time without good reason) berated manufacturer. Bit of a shame that it took until thier bankruptcy and a crash in values, made even a TopGear tribute even, for most people to start realising the potential in the models Very comfortable, economical and quick.
Ive had a hankering for a 9-5 for as long as it took me to find the perfect 9-3 aero, i guess the only solution would be to buy both........
(But i doubt "the boss" would approve
-hangs head in shame-)You would really struggle to find a better all round car for the money: luxurious, fast, feature packed, classy, understated, very handsome, well built, safe and relatively cheap to run given the performance on offer. The car had subtle facelifts a few times in its long life, the 2004/5 aero being my favourite is very good looking (2nd picture)- I seem to remember Clarkson testing this model on top gear and stating between 40-70 it really was in a different league. The new 9-5 aero (3rd pic) introduced in 2010 is a HUGE car but again a nice design.
Edited by mboyle4 on Saturday 5th January 00:04
Edited by mboyle4 on Saturday 5th January 00:05
Edited by mboyle4 on Saturday 5th January 00:11
mboyle4 said:
You would really struggle to find a better all round car for the money, luxurious, fast, feature packed, classy, understated, very handsome, well built and relatively cheap to run given the performance on offer. The facelift 2004/5 aero is very good looking (2nd picture)- I seem to remember Clarkson testing this model on top gear and stating between 40-70 it was in a different leauge[/footnote]
I remember that episode, im sure he said it accelerated faster than a Ferrari 360 from 40-70 or whatever it was. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff