RE: New Corvette revealed at last!

[Tribal Chestnut]

stephen300o said:

seefarr said:

I like the 599 as well guys, but come on!

Thanks, was on the mobile at the time.

What was the Ferrari thinking then? 'We like the C6 as well guys'...

[mrclav]

AlexKing said:

I'm not your mate.

JLR are still a small concern compared to the likes of GM and VAG, as you have pointed out, and I can tell you that there are some people here where i live in the West Midlands who are quite grateful for the work being generated by JLR here, all through the supply chain. I'm sorry it's not fast enough for you.

Did you really join this forum just to slag JLR off in this thread? Sheesh.

This benzpassion person is a troll - he's been on various other car websites spouting the same drivel/vitriolic abuse of JLR. Ignore him.

[AlexKing]

mrclav said:

This benzpassion person is a troll - he's been on various other car websites spouting the same drivel/vitriolic abuse of JLR. Ignore him.

Yes, I suspected as much. I was having some fun with it but its getting boring now and is in the way of a proper discussion about the Corvette.

All yours gents!

[benzpassion]

RacerMike said:

So Mr Ingenieur/C.Eng. Care to detail quite what it is you do that makes you so above working at a modern, forward thinking engineering company that is one of the largest employers of engineers in the UK and has invested millions in the development of new technologies? Or is it actually that you do have some kind of personal issue with JLR? I would have thought someone capable of acheiving a degree in engineering would have the intelligence/interest to have noticed all the recent engineering achievements and genuine investment the company has managed in the last 24-36 months.

Yours sincerly,

Racer Mike
MEng(Hons) AMIMechE

Mike, no offence, but in another life I've been an academic supervisor in a Russell group UK uni. where MEngs were handed out to 'students' who literally couldn't write a single coherent sentence, but had funds enough to pay course fees. Prior to the 1980s education 'reforms', they wouldn't have made UK O-Level grade.

As to JLR being a large employer/large employer of engineers, again this illustrates my point how parochial and insignificant in global terms JLR and its daily trumpeted success by the UK's media actually is. JLR employs what, 20,000 tops? VW group employs over half a million directs. BMW and Daimler around 200k each. Even poor GM Europe at its engineering HQ in Ruesselsheim Germany employs around 10-15k engineers alone.

And let's not forget JLR is wholly foreign owned. I don't see why the UK and its people are so inordinately proud of JLR as they are, when, at base, it doesn't belong to them, and secondly, it is still just terribly small beer, in engineering terms and R&D spend, which is regularly disguised by redressing old platforms, a la Freelander begetting Evoque, XJ(2002) begetting XK, XK begetting F-type, even the new R/R/RRS being heavily reliant on Ford's original aluminium XJ(X350) platform, and still heavy use of Ford/PSA designed/manufactured engines.

[Krikkit]

Asterix said:

I'd be tempted to have a look at this when it's launched in Dubai. Haven't had a big V8 Sports car yet (a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Nissan Pathfinder with V8s don't count).

Fast, good-looking, reliable, V8. The only downside is the fuel consumption, not a problem in Dubai!

[kambites]

Krikkit said:

Asterix said:

I'd be tempted to have a look at this when it's launched in Dubai. Haven't had a big V8 Sports car yet (a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Nissan Pathfinder with V8s don't count).

Fast, good-looking, reliable, V8. The only downside is the fuel consumption, not a problem in Dubai!

I thought they generally did fairly well on the fuel consumption front for their performance?

[y2blade]

Civpilot said:

Baryonyx said:

Hyundai got there first!

http://www.specsavers.co.uk/book-an-appointment/

Naughty Civ

[Denorth]

mine is bigger than yours....sorry, but the fact is that mine is so many inches..... no, your inches are not good enough, mine is still bigger....

I wrote this for no reason....

BTW - this was about Corvette.

[Jimbeaux]

Krikkit said:

Asterix said:

I'd be tempted to have a look at this when it's launched in Dubai. Haven't had a big V8 Sports car yet (a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Nissan Pathfinder with V8s don't count).

Fast, good-looking, reliable, V8. The only downside is the fuel consumption, not a problem in Dubai!

I was never a huge 'Vette fan but better than 26 mile per U.S. gallon is damn good for a 6.2L V8. WHat does its competitors get and for how much?

[Asterix]

Jimbeaux said:

Krikkit said:

Asterix said:

I'd be tempted to have a look at this when it's launched in Dubai. Haven't had a big V8 Sports car yet (a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Nissan Pathfinder with V8s don't count).

Fast, good-looking, reliable, V8. The only downside is the fuel consumption, not a problem in Dubai!

I was never a huge 'Vette fan but better than 26 mile per U.S. gallon is damn good for a 6.2L V8. WHat does its competitors get and for how much?

Build quality would be a factor for me as well - coming from a Porsche. When I looked around 5 years ago, the current Corvette was a nasty thing. I wouldn't expect it to be at Porsche levels of finish but...

[anonymous-user]

benzpassion said:

Without the F-type as a sucess in the US, Jaguar as a brand is finished. The new Corvette is already an assured massive hit. Ergo, the F-type is almost certain to suffer, and hence Jag go bang. Too simple for you?

Too simple for anyone. Jaguar aren't fundamentally exposed around one vehicle in one market. If their sales don't meet projections / expectations with the F-Type in the US they most certainly won't 'be finished' or 'go bang'.

It's like saying Tesco will 'go bang' if they don't sell as much fruit and veg in the North of England as they expected.

[soad]

Dr Interceptor said:

I think it looks superb

A good looking car with a sensible level of grunt, proper drive train, and a driver focused interior.

I don't see what's not to like

[Jimbeaux]

Asterix said:

Jimbeaux said:

Krikkit said:

Asterix said:

I'd be tempted to have a look at this when it's launched in Dubai. Haven't had a big V8 Sports car yet (a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Nissan Pathfinder with V8s don't count).

Fast, good-looking, reliable, V8. The only downside is the fuel consumption, not a problem in Dubai!

I was never a huge 'Vette fan but better than 26 mile per U.S. gallon is damn good for a 6.2L V8. WHat does its competitors get and for how much?

Build quality would be a factor for me as well - coming from a Porsche. When I looked around 5 years ago, the current Corvette was a nasty thing. I wouldn't expect it to be at Porsche levels of finish but...

For the money, or even not, I would submit that it would hold up pretty well. It's reliability is unquestioned.
Porkers are very nice, I love them but they are not worth what they cost IMO.

[Krikkit]

Jimbeaux said:

I was never a huge 'Vette fan but better than 26 mile per U.S. gallon is damn good for a 6.2L V8. WHat does its competitors get and for how much?

kambites said:

I thought they generally did fairly well on the fuel consumption front for their performance?

Yes to both, for the performance the consumption is excellent, but it's the biggest obstacle to owning one (imo) with petrol at £5+ a gallon. In the Middle East such things are irrelevant.

[GTO 2 UFO]

I thought I'd just make one observation about a transverse leaf spring produced in carbon fibre and a coil spring produced in steel.

As someone once said to me (and he has a First Class Honours in Mechanical Engineering out of London University).... when I was considering buying a C6 Z06 :

"So what's so rocket science about a metal rod coiled into a spiral ?"

Its quite clever to make a piece of fibreglass do what it has to do in a Corvette. Plus, dampers are still required - whether you're using a transverse leaf or a coilover set up....

And its in the dampers where the really clever design and development stuff is going on.....

I havent read the whole spec but I imagine this Stingray has a magnetic damper as a standard or as an option - like the C6 Corvette range and certain Ferraris...

Ill get me coat !

[LuS1fer]

Jimbeaux said:

I was never a huge 'Vette fan but better than 26 mile per U.S. gallon is damn good for a 6.2L V8. WHat does its competitors get and for how much?

When track-tested against an NSX and a 911, the C5 Z06 was easily the most frugal.

[Jimbeaux]

LuS1fer said:

Jimbeaux said:

I was never a huge 'Vette fan but better than 26 mile per U.S. gallon is damn good for a 6.2L V8. WHat does its competitors get and for how much?

When track-tested against an NSX and a 911, the C5 Z06 was easily the most frugal.

Hello We will soon see the standard and time-tested responses from one or two about "old tech" etc. I suppose. Simplicity, refined over time to near perfection gives massive reliability. Many fail to realize that the Vette engines are lighter and have a lower profile, and produce more HP than most of their German counterparts. Therefore, why lobby for complexity for complexity's sake? That reminds me, I need to wash my BMW today.

[Asterix]

Jimbeaux said:

Asterix said:

Jimbeaux said:

Krikkit said:

Asterix said:

I'd be tempted to have a look at this when it's launched in Dubai. Haven't had a big V8 Sports car yet (a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Nissan Pathfinder with V8s don't count).

Fast, good-looking, reliable, V8. The only downside is the fuel consumption, not a problem in Dubai!

I was never a huge 'Vette fan but better than 26 mile per U.S. gallon is damn good for a 6.2L V8. WHat does its competitors get and for how much?

Build quality would be a factor for me as well - coming from a Porsche. When I looked around 5 years ago, the current Corvette was a nasty thing. I wouldn't expect it to be at Porsche levels of finish but...

For the money, or even not, I would submit that it would hold up pretty well. It's reliability is unquestioned.
Porkers are very nice, I love them but they are not worth what they cost IMO.

Be interesting to see what this new one is like - The basic Z06 is about the same as the US prices - same with the Cayman S (which I have currently). Very different how they go about things.

[Codswallop]

The mechanical package sounds great, and the car is a bit of a looker Just a shame the wrap around glass hatchback is gone imo.

[Reardy Mister]

benzpassion said:

RacerMike said:

So Mr Ingenieur/C.Eng. Care to detail quite what it is you do that makes you so above working at a modern, forward thinking engineering company that is one of the largest employers of engineers in the UK and has invested millions in the development of new technologies? Or is it actually that you do have some kind of personal issue with JLR? I would have thought someone capable of acheiving a degree in engineering would have the intelligence/interest to have noticed all the recent engineering achievements and genuine investment the company has managed in the last 24-36 months.

Yours sincerly,

Racer Mike
MEng(Hons) AMIMechE

Mike, no offence, but in another life I've been an academic supervisor in a Russell group UK uni. where MEngs were handed out to 'students' who literally couldn't write a single coherent sentence, but had funds enough to pay course fees. Prior to the 1980s education 'reforms', they wouldn't have made UK O-Level grade.

As to JLR being a large employer/large employer of engineers, again this illustrates my point how parochial and insignificant in global terms JLR and its daily trumpeted success by the UK's media actually is. JLR employs what, 20,000 tops? VW group employs over half a million directs. BMW and Daimler around 200k each. Even poor GM Europe at its engineering HQ in Ruesselsheim Germany employs around 10-15k engineers alone.

And let's not forget JLR is wholly foreign owned. I don't see why the UK and its people are so inordinately proud of JLR as they are, when, at base, it doesn't belong to them, and secondly, it is still just terribly small beer, in engineering terms and R&D spend, which is regularly disguised by redressing old platforms, a la Freelander begetting Evoque, XJ(2002) begetting XK, XK begetting F-type, even the new R/R/RRS being heavily reliant on Ford's original aluminium XJ(X350) platform, and still heavy use of Ford/PSA designed/manufactured engines.

All that may be well and good but: who cares? So what if the British press bigs up an employer of British people? So what if Jag are smaller than GM, or VAG? Most car companies are smaller than GM or VAG, in case you hadn't noticed. Should Jaguar and its employees be ashamed of not being much much bigger? Are niche brands and small volume manufacturers allowed to exist anymore? So what if the government like to add a bit of spin to a large local employer's news? What, you just discovered that marketing departments and governments like to over-egg the pudding a bit if there's a sniff of good news? Or bury bad news? Or aggressively combat other people's news? Wake up.

You're obviously angry at something, but it appears to be everyday life. And I don't believe Jaguar is as wholly reliant on sales of a small volume sports car in one market (the US) as you think.

Now you've proved you can type a reasoned argument, stop with all the other crap you vomit repeatedly and stick with that MO. Ok, fella?

Heaven forbid you should perpetuate the stereotype of a crazed, detached and terminally angry academic with a superiority complex...