One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 2
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Dr Z said:
You are doing 65 mph in a Motorway L1 with very light traffic. You see a car quite a way ahead in L1 and catch up to it slowly maintaining 65 mph. As you get close enough, you pull out in to L2, hoping to nip past without changing speed as you feel that the speed differential with which you caught up to it would be more than enough to complete the overtake quickly enough. About 30 seconds later, you are still overtaking the car, who suddenly appears to be doing the same speed as you.
As you draw level with them, you realise that you are never going to get past at 65 mph, promptly put your foot down and proceed to overtake your new found 'lane buddy' at a speed differential of more than 15 mph before settling down at 65 mph again, and watch them slowly disappear in your rear-view mirror.
It's as if they've suddenly woken up or may be they feel lonely and want to hold on to you for as long as possible. It feels like you could be there alongside them forever if you are not prepared to change speed and even if you gradually increase speed by 5 mph, they still seem to match your speed, determined to keep you alongside. The only way to get rid of them is to do a short burst of acceleration to put a few yards between you and them, then they go back to sleeping. You can tell, as the gap now increases at the same rate as when you caught up to them, even though you have now quickly dropped down to your original speed. Just bizarre, zombie behaviour. Just bloody keep to the same speed as you were doing when I caught up to you, you knob, and let me past!
This type of behaviour must be the even more annoying if you have cruise control engaged.
Agree, but 65mph is life draining on a motorway, I like to have cruise at 75mph. The drivers you mention are extremely annoying. You approach at 75mph, indicate and pull out to overtake only for them to speed up and match your speed or pull away. So you pull back in only for them to slow back down. Sames true when your overtaking at 75mph in L2, someone sitting on your rear bumper, pull in when its safe only for them to overtake at 75.1mph for the next 5 mile.As you draw level with them, you realise that you are never going to get past at 65 mph, promptly put your foot down and proceed to overtake your new found 'lane buddy' at a speed differential of more than 15 mph before settling down at 65 mph again, and watch them slowly disappear in your rear-view mirror.
It's as if they've suddenly woken up or may be they feel lonely and want to hold on to you for as long as possible. It feels like you could be there alongside them forever if you are not prepared to change speed and even if you gradually increase speed by 5 mph, they still seem to match your speed, determined to keep you alongside. The only way to get rid of them is to do a short burst of acceleration to put a few yards between you and them, then they go back to sleeping. You can tell, as the gap now increases at the same rate as when you caught up to them, even though you have now quickly dropped down to your original speed. Just bizarre, zombie behaviour. Just bloody keep to the same speed as you were doing when I caught up to you, you knob, and let me past!
This type of behaviour must be the even more annoying if you have cruise control engaged.
Fantuzzi said:
AMGpower said:
People who talk as if they know all there is to know about cars and then tell you all about that new "naturally-aspirated turbo" in the Audi RS6...
I did a massive cock up like that, twas speaking to an owner of a 4 seater ferrari (which I cant for the life of me remember what ot was, but I knew it at the time), refered to a Ferrari engine as a 'flat V 12', realised my liguistic cock up and saved a bit of face...Women in a Rover 25 today on a 3 lane roundabout packed with traffic, she was in lane 1 and I was in lane 2. Both these lanes are straight on only and lead onto a dual carriageway NSL. Traffic starts moving, she suddenly decides she must be in lane 2 so indicates and pulls straight across without looking, I quickly slam on while pulling right to avoid a crash, blare my horn and she continues oblivious. Fair enough I thought, she must need to go right and be in the wrong lane, desperate not to get stuck on a dual carriageway. But no, she carries on in the outside lane of the dual carriageway. She was obviously just desperate to nearly cause an accident.
zedx19 said:
Agree, but 65mph is life draining on a motorway, I like to have cruise at 75mph. The drivers you mention are extremely annoying. You approach at 75mph, indicate and pull out to overtake only for them to speed up and match your speed or pull away. So you pull back in only for them to slow back down. Sames true when your overtaking at 75mph in L2, someone sitting on your rear bumper, pull in when its safe only for them to overtake at 75.1mph for the next 5 mile.
I find 65 mph very relaxing. It just means I can have a relatively lonely cruise in L1, while all the others can trip over themselves in the other lanes going way over the NSL. It also helps that I drive a pretty old car (the ZX) and there is a lot more outside sound/information filtering inside, so even doing 0.8 leptons is not very relaxing. Great to increase the concentration levels. I do agree though in a modern car, you tend to be so sheltered that 65 mph would feel too uninvolving to the point of being dangerous...
Dr Z said:
zedx19 said:
Agree, but 65mph is life draining on a motorway, I like to have cruise at 75mph. The drivers you mention are extremely annoying. You approach at 75mph, indicate and pull out to overtake only for them to speed up and match your speed or pull away. So you pull back in only for them to slow back down. Sames true when your overtaking at 75mph in L2, someone sitting on your rear bumper, pull in when its safe only for them to overtake at 75.1mph for the next 5 mile.
I find 65 mph very relaxing. It just means I can have a relatively lonely cruise in L1, while all the others can trip over themselves in the other lanes going way over the NSL. It also helps that I drive a pretty old car (the ZX) and there is a lot more outside sound/information filtering inside, so even doing 0.8 leptons is not very relaxing. Great to increase the concentration levels. I do agree though in a modern car, you tend to be so sheltered that 65 mph would feel too uninvolving to the point of being dangerous...
i don't find 65mph a lonely cruise in L1... I find it a nightmarish slurry of trucks, the petrified and and being blocked by middle-lane hogs refusing to let me pull out to pass even slower traffic. That plus the closing speed of traffic moving at normal L2/3 speeds of up to 80mph, PHers doing more, and reps doing more still and you're in dangerous territory i feel. I actually find it safer to sit at L3 'normal' speeds and only have to deal (mostly) with people doing the same rather than doing something wildly different.
People who pull out of side roads into heavy traffic with their arm raised as if nearly crashing into me is somehow made justifiable by this.
No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
1OS said:
People who pull out of side roads into heavy traffic with their arm raised as if nearly crashing into me is somehow made justifiable by this.
No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
Sometimes it's the only way out into traffic unless you fancy waiting 20mins for a decent gap or generous person. It's 6 of one half a dozen of the other most of the time in this situation.No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
Knob goblin this morning in the 62 plate E350 Merc that tore past me in the (500 yard of) 40MPH Zone at around 70+mph to get ahead and then immediately cut in sharply and hammered on the brakes (and I do mean violent braking) because we were entering a 30 zone as he went past me.
Apparantly its OK to do 70+ in a 40MPH but you must obey the 30mph limit even if it means dangerously carving in front of somebody and causing a collission.
Utter, utter cocksocket.
He then screamed off at well over the NSL when we left the village. I caught him up about a mile later at the back of the a queue of several cars. He didn't wave back at me when I waved at him. He seemed a bit grumpy.
Apparantly its OK to do 70+ in a 40MPH but you must obey the 30mph limit even if it means dangerously carving in front of somebody and causing a collission.
Utter, utter cocksocket.
He then screamed off at well over the NSL when we left the village. I caught him up about a mile later at the back of the a queue of several cars. He didn't wave back at me when I waved at him. He seemed a bit grumpy.
GokTweed said:
1OS said:
People who pull out of side roads into heavy traffic with their arm raised as if nearly crashing into me is somehow made justifiable by this.
No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
Sometimes it's the only way out into traffic unless you fancy waiting 20mins for a decent gap or generous person. It's 6 of one half a dozen of the other most of the time in this situation.No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
collateral said:
GokTweed said:
1OS said:
People who pull out of side roads into heavy traffic with their arm raised as if nearly crashing into me is somehow made justifiable by this.
No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
Sometimes it's the only way out into traffic unless you fancy waiting 20mins for a decent gap or generous person. It's 6 of one half a dozen of the other most of the time in this situation.No, your impromptu Nazi salute does not mean you can try and force your battered Avensis/Corolla into a tiny space because nobody will let you out. Bonus knob points if they're coming from the right and block the flow of traffic in the oncoming lane to do this.
Simple rules really. If you are behind the GIVE WAY LINE then do just that. It really doesn't matter how bloody long you have had to wait. It's not your place to force your way out into a moving traffic lane, causing everyone else to slow down. How do you know that they haven't all been waiting just as long as you have, further back during their journey. And 10S is correct. The worst ones are the 'creepers', who are turning right from side roads and try to force you to let them in because they are blocking oncoming traffic.
Here's a clue. If you look like the patient type, and you are waiting correctly, without creeping forward, AND I have an opportunity to do so SAFELY, I WILL let you turn out ahead of me, regardless of what you are driving. If, however, you look pompous, impatient, or are simply trying to creep forward, or even worse, are already partway over the line, prepare to be disappointed, as I will stick to the assigned priorities, the ones that are painted on the road. Oh, and if I do let you out ahead of me, I'm not after pleasantries, nor 'thank-you's. Just get on with it, please. If I get held up by idiots I have let out ahead of me much more, I will stop doing it altogether. That is all.
yellowjack said:
Here's a clue. If you look like the patient type, and you are waiting correctly, without creeping forward, AND I have an opportunity to do so SAFELY, I WILL let you turn out ahead of me, regardless of what you are driving. If, however, you look pompous, impatient, or are simply trying to creep forward, or even worse, are already partway over the line, prepare to be disappointed, as I will stick to the assigned priorities, the ones that are painted on the road. Oh, and if I do let you out ahead of me, I'm not after pleasantries, nor 'thank-you's. Just get on with it, please. If I get held up by idiots I have let out ahead of me much more, I will stop doing it altogether. That is all.
With that attitude, I take it you don't drive in London or indeed any major cities? 
Dr Z said:
yellowjack said:
Here's a clue. If you look like the patient type, and you are waiting correctly, without creeping forward, AND I have an opportunity to do so SAFELY, I WILL let you turn out ahead of me, regardless of what you are driving. If, however, you look pompous, impatient, or are simply trying to creep forward, or even worse, are already partway over the line, prepare to be disappointed, as I will stick to the assigned priorities, the ones that are painted on the road. Oh, and if I do let you out ahead of me, I'm not after pleasantries, nor 'thank-you's. Just get on with it, please. If I get held up by idiots I have let out ahead of me much more, I will stop doing it altogether. That is all.
With that attitude, I take it you don't drive in London or indeed any major cities? 
kers forcing their way out at junctions, there might be more people willing to cede their priority to those willing to wait. And for the record, and even if it makes you think 'knob', if you are pushing your luck partway out of a junction, but there is room to get around you safely, I WILL go around. And you will just have to suck it up. Try the patience thing. Like I said, if I get the chance to do something nice for another road user I will, so long as they haven't already outed themselves as an impatient bully. Message getting through yet? yellowjack said:
Why? Are there different rules for driving inside major cities than outside of them? If there weren't so many selfish wkers forcing their way out at junctions, there might be more people willing to cede their priority to those willing to wait. And for the record, and even if it makes you think 'knob', if you are pushing your luck partway out of a junction, but there is room to get around you safely, I WILL go around. And you will just have to suck it up. Try the patience thing. Like I said, if I get the chance to do something nice for another road user I will, so long as they haven't already outed themselves as an impatient bully. Message getting through yet?
The rules aren't different, however it would appear, your ability to not get riled when wronged is directly proportional to having a relaxed and road rage free drive, as is your ability to be extra courteous. You won't survive with a tit-for-tat attitude though.kers forcing their way out at junctions, there might be more people willing to cede their priority to those willing to wait. And for the record, and even if it makes you think 'knob', if you are pushing your luck partway out of a junction, but there is room to get around you safely, I WILL go around. And you will just have to suck it up. Try the patience thing. Like I said, if I get the chance to do something nice for another road user I will, so long as they haven't already outed themselves as an impatient bully. Message getting through yet? Willy Nilly said:
Cruise up to a junction or lights and leave plenty of room to glide to a stop. White van retard jumps in the space in front of me just as am rolling to a stop causing me to brake harder than planned. Then turns left at the lights.
Happens a lot when I cycle as well. People come steaming past then turn left at the next junction, ruining my momentum.a
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