Remember this guy? Well, he died.

[Mastodon2]

jjr1 said:

Brilliant lynching guys but you appear to have the blamed the wrong man ........


You dopey tts it was the guy your thinking of that died but he was the passenger this time.


Carry on fkwits

Man films himself driving like a complete and utter bell end in his M5. The same M5 is then involved in an accident where he loses his life, though he may have been a passenger at the time. What are the chances the car was being driven in the same fashion as the earlier videos? Pretty high I'd suspect.

This guy was gambling with his life and the lives of eveyone around him when he drove like that, it was only going to end with his death or the death of innocents. All the fools idolising him as some sort of "Drift Boiz King" would probably see sense if they lost a loved one to someone driving in the same fashion. Then again, I suppose it's easy not to care when it's a youtube video filmed in another country with people you couldn't possibly know. A lot of people on PH like to push their cars a bit, and we all know that breaking the speed limit or cornering hard (without taking the piss) in itself will not kill anyone, and again I'd guess that the "dab of oppo" brigade probably talk better than they drift, but any reasonable PHer could see that this guy was driving way, way beyond what was reasonable on a busy public road. Looks like he paid the price for that in the end.

And all those who are saying he has "skillz" etc, really? He looks extremely ragged, sawing away at the wheel, lurching the car from side to side. I do find drifting incredibly lame, but he just looked sloppy at it. He was teetering on the edge, the car barely under his control and seemingly seconds away from disaster at any moment.

Also, check out the video at 00:48, to see a pedestrian in the road running out of his way, presumably to avoid being run over by an M5. A real class act, was this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZIp4ftTshk&fea...

[TheJimi]

The guy had pretty good car control imo, and given the correct guidance, he could have had superb car control but equally, I wholeheartedly condemn what he did on public roads - that was nothing short of a spectacular crash waiting to happen.

I think I'll stop short of saying that I'm happy he's dead or that he deserved to die - but I *am* glad that some innocent bystander wasn't taken with them.

[Limpet]

The guy was an idiot. While I would stop short of wishing death on him, or celebrating his death in any way, he was an idiot, nonetheless.

Apart from the numerous times he put other people's lives in danger by driving in a manner completely inappropriate to his surroundings, he has glorified this on YouTube. In doing so, he has probably spawned a whole host of wannabes who are now out there and try and copy or outdo him, at who knows what risk to themselves, and more importantly those around them. And his mate who killed him was clearly trying to do the same thing.

Even Ken Block with all his other-wordly skill, and hundreds of grands worth of meticulously prepped car wouldn't film a Gymkhana on busy, open city streets. It would be unacceptable. So why did this chancer in an old crate of an M5 think it was OK?

Yeah, great car control skills. But completely inappropriately used.

[TITWONK]

I won't rise to some of the comments but made me laugh today when the 50 year old bloke at work was talking fondly, just like some on here, about getting his mk1 escort sideways at every round about!
He was confused when I told him the modern day piston head would have his bks off and wish instant death on him! He thought I was joking lol

[mrmr96]

Davey S2 said:

mrmr96 said:

All driving carries risk. My point is that there's a threshold at which the risk becomes unacceptable and that threshold is different for each observer.

Are you really suggesting that some people would think that the driving shown in his video is acceptable on a public road? really?

Clearly at least one person did - the driver. There will be others more wreckless than him in the world too. So we know there's a group of people who think this risk is acceptable. There's far more people who don't. My point that the threshold of acceptable risk is different for everyone stands unchallenged.

[bqf]

Just to help everyone out on this thread, who feels that everyone has a 'different threshold' for risk, here is, I venture, a universal boundary for dangerous driving.

If PEDESTRIANS have to RUN OUT OF THE WAY TO AVOID BEING KILLED, then THAT IS DANGEROUS DRIVING.

If OTHER CARS HAVE TO STOP OR VEER OUT OF THE WAY, YOU ARE DRIVING DANGEROUSLY.

Just in case anyone is confused.

[bqf]

mrmr96 said:

My point that the threshold of acceptable risk is different for everyone stands unchallenged.

Heres a challenge - YOU'RE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE.

If pedestrians have to run out of your way, and other cars are fully stopping or veering out of your way on a public road, you're driving dangerously (this is definitely true) and you're also a total fking prick (almost always true).

[CDP]

TITWONK said:

I won't rise to some of the comments but made me laugh today when the 50 year old bloke at work was talking fondly, just like some on here, about getting his mk1 escort sideways at every round about!
He was confused when I told him the modern day piston head would have his bks off and wish instant death on him! He thought I was joking lol

Do you think he might have been exaggerating?

There's also a massive difference between a dab of oppo coming out of an empty roundabout with good sitelines and what this bloke was doing in busy city centres.

Also MK1 Escorts have so little wet weather grip you could probably push one sideways with your hand in a damp car park.

[MKnight702]

No. Oh dear what a shame, didn't see that coming.

[bqf]

CDP said:

Do you think he might have been exaggerating?

There's also a massive difference between a dab of oppo coming out of an empty roundabout with good sitelines and what this bloke was doing in busy city centres.

Also MK1 Escorts have so little wet weather grip you could probably push one sideways with your hand in a damp car park.

+1. sideways round roundabouts isn't the same as 'driving so fast in city centres pedestrians have to run for their lives'.

[majordad]

Maybe they're not pedestrians rather joggers doing bursts of sprint training ?

Only joking, sorry to see anyone go, RIP.

[DaveCWK]

Totally indefensible and moronic driving, I'm just glad he didn't take any innocent bystanders with him.

[orangesrule]

I don't understand people saying this guy had 'skills', balls yes; he was just erratic, there was zero smoothness or calculation with his driving (my impression from the videos).

It was only a matter of time, as others have said, at least they didn't take out any innocent parties.

[k-ink]

I think this thread shows there are two kinds of people on this site. Those who are clearly rather young and think the real world is simply an extension of their video games. Then there are those who are clearly older and wiser, no doubt who have kids and others aside from themselves to care about in this world.

[VinceFox]

Luck meter ran out.

RIP

[orangesrule]

k-ink said:

I think this thread shows there are two kinds of people on this site. Those who are clearly rather young and think the real world is simply an extension of their video games. Then there are those who are clearly older and wiser, no doubt who have kids and others aside from themselves to care about in this world.

I personally don't have any problems with a bit of 'rwd fun' on the road, but there is a time and a place, and going full bore midday in built up residential area is certainly not that; its insanity.

[Rawwr]

Davey S2 said:

Are you really suggesting that some people would think that the driving shown in his video is acceptable on a public road? really?

I think you're underestimating the capacity for stupidity.

[HoagieLomax]

Between 3 an 5 mins of that video is completely insane.Was it really skill 'fish tailing' all over a wet road in 2nd gear,the shock factor comes from the avoidance of pedestrians and oncoming traffic not the actual driving.

It just gives people who want to enjoy there cars (when conditions allow) a bad name.The real skill to fast safe road driving is judging permissible opportunities to drive a car enthusiastically but with a safety net just incase.

The Need for speed boys obviously think otherwise.

[Sir Bagalot]

The guy was pretty good, but like people who speed... you'll only get away with it for so long.

He was a complete knob for doing it on public roads.

Anyways. Kinda related, Top 10 Beemer fails

[danjama]

k-ink said:

I think this thread shows there are two kinds of people on this site. Those who are clearly rather young and think the real world is simply an extension of their video games. Then there are those who are clearly older and wiser, no doubt who have kids and others aside from themselves to care about in this world.

I don't think this thread is a fair rep of the entire demographic of PH.

I don't have kids, i'm young but sensible, and can see both sides of the discussion here today.