RE: BMW M3 tester's notes: PH Blog
Discussion
E65Ross said:
One thing interesting from a lot of journos over the last couple of years and now......
On the E92 M3
"Needs to be revved hard and doesn't have enough torque"
So, the new car has a lot more torque and displays all the characteristics that were seemingly wanted
On the New M3/4
"doesn't need to be revved as hard and thus doesn't feel as special"
make your f
king mind up guys.
Give it up Ross On the E92 M3
"Needs to be revved hard and doesn't have enough torque"
So, the new car has a lot more torque and displays all the characteristics that were seemingly wanted
On the New M3/4
"doesn't need to be revved as hard and thus doesn't feel as special"
make your f
king mind up guys.
Patrick Bateman said:
Do Audi owners moan about torque with the B7 RS4 and R8?
My mate who used to have a DB9 also got an RS4 (now also sold) and he used to say the Audi felt every bit as fast, if not quicker, than the DB9 and basically said any gear it just goes. Don't think I ever heard him complain about it.Patrick Bateman said:
As an overall package an e9X M3 sounds hard to beat, hardly massively flawed.
Do Audi owners moan about torque with the B7 RS4 and R8?
On paper I agree the E92 M3 does sound hard to beat...Chris Harris also highlighted in a review of the Audi RS5 that it lacked torque and for me personally there is a link and a high rev engine will always suffer low down but maybe if these type of cars didn't have so much mass to carry then it wouldn't feel so obvious. Do Audi owners moan about torque with the B7 RS4 and R8?
s m said:
.....and there's the rub for BMW - which buyers do they want?
The people who think that the E30 M3 is a better car for their usage requirements than the F80 are free to buy one on the classifieds. They’ll save some money too. It’s not like BMW strips zero-mile E30s to recycle them into F80s.EVO test of all the M3 said:
"The original E30 M3 is utterly brilliant in ways the people at M have either forgotten about or choose to ignore"
Edited by EricE on Friday 16th May 23:04
EricE said:
The people who think that the E30 M3 is a better car for their usage requirements than the F80 are free to buy one on the classifieds. They’ll save some money too. It’s not like BMW recycles zero-mile E30s to salvage and recycle them into F80s.
Agree entirely - there will be plenty of 6-cylinder and V8 ones about for years to come for the people that don't like the new one but want an M3Patrick Bateman said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Buy one and use it everyday and let me know how often you can tap into that character and thrill without losing your licence, the new M4 was always going to put right all of the E92 M3`s wrongs because they were all so glaringly obvious in the first place.
The gearing in my M5 is much the same. You're a well known naysayer of the e90/92 but let's not get carried away here, for such a 'turkey' (as some people would like to think) it still had the competition beaten more often than not in any comparison tests.
As I said before, it's interesting that such a big deal is made about this having to wring its neck out to get the best from it yet look at the fondness people speak of the M3's and M5's of old (e30 through e46 and e28 through e39 respectively). The S62 in the e39 is often known as a torquey engine but you still need to wring its neck to truly gun it- and it's all the better for it.
Patrick Bateman said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Buy one and use it everyday and let me know how often you can tap into that character and thrill without losing your licence, the new M4 was always going to put right all of the E92 M3`s wrongs because they were all so glaringly obvious in the first place.
The gearing in my M5 is much the same. You're a well known naysayer of the e90/92 but let's not get carried away here, for such a 'turkey' (as some people would like to think) it still had the competition beaten more often than not in any comparison tests.
As I said before, it's interesting that such a big deal is made about this having to wring its neck out to get the best from it yet look at the fondness people speak of the M3's and M5's of old (e30 through e46 and e28 through e39 respectively). The S62 in the e39 is often known as a torquey engine but you still need to wring its neck to truly gun it- and it's all the better for it.
I am happy to stick with my opinion that the E92 M3 is a turkey as a daily...unless you have a race track in the back garden to exploit its 8400rpm redline then you are fine.
Of course you can compare them. My point was that even the S62, the M engine that has the most torque of that generation and previous, still needs its neck wrung to truly shift.
What did/do people expect from the e9X? Which M3 prior to it didn't need to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck?
What did/do people expect from the e9X? Which M3 prior to it didn't need to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck?
BMW totally lost the plot after the E39 M5.
The F10 M5 has a shocker of a gearbox.
The E90 M3 has a terrible range and has to be revved to the stratosphere to deliver.
The current M5 has synthetic sound.
New M3 has synthetic sound, and still sounds like a diesel.
Oh God, the E39 M5 sitting in my garage is going to be worth £50 grand by XMas as the last proper M car.
Oh look .... Porcus Aeronauticus!!
The F10 M5 has a shocker of a gearbox.
The E90 M3 has a terrible range and has to be revved to the stratosphere to deliver.
The current M5 has synthetic sound.
New M3 has synthetic sound, and still sounds like a diesel.
Oh God, the E39 M5 sitting in my garage is going to be worth £50 grand by XMas as the last proper M car.
Oh look .... Porcus Aeronauticus!!
I dont get all this talk about how having to rev the engine out is such a bad thing. I use my 997.1 GT3 as a DD and what makes it so special is the NA noise and buzz when you rev it out past 8k rpm. On one hand reviews are saying how the 9k red line on the new GT3 is what makes up for the loss of the mezger. I realise not many people will use the a GT3 as a DD but its these qualities that make them so special. So why is having to rev out the E9x M3 such a bad thing?
I for one dislike turbo cars as noise plays s a huge part of the driving experience and involvment for me. If you want balls to the wall speed from a turbo car why not go and buy a GTR for similar money.
I for one dislike turbo cars as noise plays s a huge part of the driving experience and involvment for me. If you want balls to the wall speed from a turbo car why not go and buy a GTR for similar money.
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