Jerk in a Merc (Reg T9 TSK) has a dispute with cyclist

[Roger Irrelevant]

Having never been to Richmond Park the thing that strikes me about this video is how crap it looks to cycle around. I understand that it's actually one of the nicer places to cycle near London and that many people make their way there for that reason, but it just looks boring and busy from that vid.

Both driver and cyclist are tts here. Bit of small man syndrome from the driver but cyclist wants to be careful carrying on like that else he'll end up as the rightest man in the graveyard.

[G321]

essIII said:

Just a case of two knob ends meeting each other in the wild.

Or in London where these type of clips usually originate from

[RowntreesCabana]

Video now removed

Did things not go the way the cyclist hoped?

[anonymous-user]

RowntreesCabana said:

Video now removed

Did things not go the way the cyclist hoped?

When I last looked there were some pretty strident comments on there... I guess his quest for tea and sympathy met with a somewhat different reaction to that that he was expecting... and there, in part, lies the issue with these 'people'!

[carinaman]

Another person acting up in front of a camera.

[Rich_W]

james7 said:

Rich_W said:

james7 said:

I think you have highlighted one of the problems and that is the aspect of racing. Its not a good idea on public roads and imo Strava et al should be banned from being used for timing on roads and or in public places. I have seen lots of cyclists racing and/or trying to beat their strava times and silly risks are being taken to better their time in some cases.

To be fair. I'm sure no car driver ever speeds around making silly risks. Have you heard of YouTube?

I dont recall saying that no driver in the world has ever sped around, please show me where I have said it. A bit silly making stuff up, rather than talking about the actual subject or is that because you ......(insert whatever insult or stupid comment you like).

And yes I have heard of youtube. I suspect most people who use the internet on a regular basis have at one time or another heard of it.

How about sharing your views and opinions on racing on public roads...................

You didn't say it and I didn't say you did. What you did do was only focus about Cyclists racing around taking silly risks. When I think we're both experienced enough to realise that LOADS of people regardless of transport method "race around taking silly risks" Even pedestrians are not immune from trying to leg it across the road when the gap is not really safest.

My YT link was to show that even on a Sunday Service, where PH Organisers have time and again REQUESTED people be sensible when leaving. WE as Car enthusiasts CANNOT be trusted to drive according to the Highway Code. Now I've been there and done it too. Hanging the arse out IS fun. But I wouldn't do it in front of a Police Officer But if WE can't do it when we supposedly give a st about our driving prowess. Why should we expect others to do that same when they place less emphasis on their actions behind the wheel (or handlebars) generally?

Too many of the "cyclists are s group" from PH forget that fact and assume that all the roads ills can be blamed on 1 group. I don't know why they do that. I'm not perfect behind the wheel, or on my bike. And I don't expect others to drive perfectly or ride in a sensible fashion 100% of the time. I try to allow a percentage of "tolerance" so that as and when someone does something daft. I'll adjust my speed/position to make it easy for the other person to recover their mistake.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong though.

[irocfan]

Rich_W said:

james7 said:

Rich_W said:

james7 said:

I think you have highlighted one of the problems and that is the aspect of racing. Its not a good idea on public roads and imo Strava et al should be banned from being used for timing on roads and or in public places. I have seen lots of cyclists racing and/or trying to beat their strava times and silly risks are being taken to better their time in some cases.

To be fair. I'm sure no car driver ever speeds around making silly risks. Have you heard of YouTube?

I dont recall saying that no driver in the world has ever sped around, please show me where I have said it. A bit silly making stuff up, rather than talking about the actual subject or is that because you ......(insert whatever insult or stupid comment you like).

And yes I have heard of youtube. I suspect most people who use the internet on a regular basis have at one time or another heard of it.

How about sharing your views and opinions on racing on public roads...................

You didn't say it and I didn't say you did. What you did do was only focus about Cyclists racing around taking silly risks. When I think we're both experienced enough to realise that LOADS of people regardless of transport method "race around taking silly risks" Even pedestrians are not immune from trying to leg it across the road when the gap is not really safest.

My YT link was to show that even on a Sunday Service, where PH Organisers have time and again REQUESTED people be sensible when leaving. WE as Car enthusiasts CANNOT be trusted to drive according to the Highway Code. Now I've been there and done it too. Hanging the arse out IS fun. But I wouldn't do it in front of a Police Officer But if WE can't do it when we supposedly give a st about our driving prowess. Why should we expect others to do that same when they place less emphasis on their actions behind the wheel (or handlebars) generally?

Too many of the "cyclists are s group" from PH forget that fact and assume that all the roads ills can be blamed on 1 group. I don't know why they do that. I'm not perfect behind the wheel, or on my bike. And I don't expect others to drive perfectly or ride in a sensible fashion 100% of the time. I try to allow a percentage of "tolerance" so that as and when someone does something daft. I'll adjust my speed/position to make it easy for the other person to recover their mistake.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong though.

I think that the problem is that most drivers on here will acknowledge that they can be twunts from time to time - this doesn't appear to be the case for cyclists where the defence of most cyclists seems to be absolute and could put the inquisition to shame in their fervour

[Roger Irrelevant]

irocfan said:

I think that the problem is that most drivers on here will acknowledge that they can be twunts from time to time - this doesn't appear to be the case for cyclists where the defence of most cyclists seems to be absolute and could put the inquisition to shame in their fervour

That's just a big old dollop of confirmation bias though isn't it? I mean, pretty much the only time cycling is discussed on here is in response to a video where a cyclist is acting like a tt. Same as if you go on to a cycling forum pretty much the only time drivers are discussed is in response to a video showing a driver acting like a tt. The vast majority of both cyclists and drivers are fine really, but 100 people cycling/driving along in a considerate manner and generally minding their own business doesn't stick in the mind as much as the one aggro dhead of either type.

[james7]

Rich_W said:

You didn't say it and I didn't say you did. What you did do was only focus about Cyclists racing around taking silly risks. When I think we're both experienced enough to realise that LOADS of people regardless of transport method "race around taking silly risks" Even pedestrians are not immune from trying to leg it across the road when the gap is not really safest.

I thought that was fair enough as the video in the op was from a cyclist taking, what were imo, silly risks to get ahead, Strava times have been mentioned and if you read what you quoted from me I mentioned that I thought that Strava was not a good idea in public places ie Richmond park where the video was filmed.

If you want to discuss driving at PH events perhaps starting a new topic would be the way to go? But for the record I have seen some complete arses driving on PH stuff, most notable of which was a tunnel run I attended ages ago where I turned round and went home as the driving was beyond bad imo.

What are your thoughts and opinions on Strava and what I and others have said about it?

[james7]

Roger Irrelevant said:

Having never been to Richmond Park the thing that strikes me about this video is how crap it looks to cycle around. I understand that it's actually one of the nicer places to cycle near London and that many people make their way there for that reason, but it just looks boring and busy from that vid.

I totally agree with you. But I still go there quite regularly even though I live very near the surrey hills Its somehow better in "real"

[BrownBottle]

scrubchub said:

You're missing my point entirely. Just because you can't imagine a car overtaking in those exact circumstance doesn't mean that car drivers don't perform some ridiculous overtakes at times in completely inappropriate positions - it has certainly happened to me. And in those situations I have not made the situation worse by blocking the overtake and forcing someone to stay in the path of oncoming traffic. On PH, overtake blocking is generally ranked alongside middle lane hoggers as one of the worst driving habits. This video is a cast iron, indisputable example of an overtake block.


So yes, I do comprehend what you are saying, but I still feel it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion. Can't make the point any simpler really. As my mum would tell me - "Two wrongs don't make a right". Just let the guy complete the overtake, don't do anything dangerous and don't get some poor driver coming in the other direction potentially involved in an accident. That can be applied to any situation where there is a less than ideal overtake, no matter the vehicles involved.

Not defending the cyclist here, as he was riding like a knob, but the driver deliberately putting him in harms way was a disgrace.

So your comments regarding cars overtaking in circumstances completely unrelated to the video are relevant to the discussion yet my comments regarding cars overtaking in the exact same circumstances as the video are completely irrelevant.

Don't think we're going to agree on that one

[JagBox]

As someone who used to live in Richmond and regularly cycled around the park, there is a speed limit that does apply to cyclist. However it is ignored and some cyclist treat the park like a race track as they try to better their PB or "win" a segment on Strava. I've seen some terrible riding there, I'm surprised there are not more accidents.

As for bikes not having speedos, most serious bikers will have a Garmin or some other device which will tell them exactly how fast they are going.

[freshkid]

I cycle every day and it is obvious that the majority of drivers have zero experience of being a cyclist in a busy city themselves. It would be a very useful learning experience for the majority to try a cycle commute for a week or two.

[james7]

freshkid said:

I cycle every day and it is obvious that the majority of drivers have zero experience of being a cyclist in a busy city themselves. It would be a very useful learning experience for the majority to try a cycle commute for a week or two.

Would you say that cyclists could do with experience of other modes of transport ie cars, buses, lorries and pedestrians for a week or 2 as well?

[Mandalore]

Overtaking someone and pulling directly into their minimum braking zone is not really a good idea.
No matter what you are riding or driving.

[freshkid]

Yes having experience of more forms of transport is very useful. I think a lot of this anger and irresponsible behaviour is down to a lack of understanding.

I think the big one for me would be to shadow a bendy bus driver...I'd love to know what they're thinking. I understand they get frustrated but Jesus Christ they do some stupid st.

[ORD]

freshkid said:

I cycle every day and it is obvious that the majority of drivers have zero experience of being a cyclist in a busy city themselves. It would be a very useful learning experience for the majority to try a cycle commute for a week or two.

You would have to pay me thousands to get me on a bike in London for a week. It's suicidal.

[powerstroke]

freshkid said:

Yes having experience of more forms of transport is very useful. I think a lot of this anger and irresponsible behaviour is down to a lack of understanding.

I think the big one for me would be to shadow a bendy bus driver...I'd love to know what they're thinking. I understand they get frustrated but Jesus Christ they do some stupid st.

Bet they think the same about cyclists ,
I can see the appeal of cycling, they are the only road users who can do as they like and if someing goes wrong its always someone elses fault ...

[bennyboysvuk]

Blayney said:

Maybe they need track days for cyclists?

I did this last year with the family and it was one of the most pleasant cycling experiences I've ever had.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/get-involved/events/bike-ri...

[DonkeyApple]

freshkid said:

Yes having experience of more forms of transport is very useful. I think a lot of this anger and irresponsible behaviour is down to a lack of understanding.

I think the big one for me would be to shadow a bendy bus driver...I'd love to know what they're thinking. I understand they get frustrated but Jesus Christ they do some stupid st.

I think that some of it is a lack of understanding but the vast amount is wilful contempt for an underclass or plain anger being exacted on the vulnerable. You only need to read PH to see that more than an enough people are just plain angry at cyclists or angry and use vulnerable road uses as a vent and a chance to teach a on a bike a lesson in life is a chance not to be missed.

There are the same messed up blokes on bikes. I see them in the City deliberately manoeuvre themselves so as to ensure a confrontation with a car or pedestrian but they aren't as dangerous or plentiful as the loons in cars.

I'd be more inclined to instead of investing in a civilised program of cultural exchange to just take the short cut of dragging them out into the road and beating them with paddles until they are just too scared to venture out in public again. It's quicker, cheaper and will benefit the whole of society.