Race and horse transporters banned within M25
Discussion
ZZR said:
A vast area of countryside exists within the M25, take Epping Forest for example. a place where many horse enthusiasts and riding schools reside, do they now have to move because they can't/shouldn't be there in your opinion?
Which is interesting, because of course Epping Forest was there before the M25...MJK 24 said:
As promised, here are the prices I've been quoted.
Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Much as I disagree with the tactics being used, this does on the face of it look like an effective (if blunt) way of getting improved emissions standards in London. £3,000 to save (potentially up to) £120,000 of "charges" seems like a pretty good carrot - vs - stick equation.Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Are there reductions in road fund licence available for HGVs compliant with enhanced emissions standards?
I also suspect that the £3000 investment will not depreciate all that much, which is good.
skwdenyer said:
MJK 24 said:
As promised, here are the prices I've been quoted.
Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Much as I disagree with the tactics being used, this does on the face of it look like an effective (if blunt) way of getting improved emissions standards in London. £3,000 to save (potentially up to) £120,000 of "charges" seems like a pretty good carrot - vs - stick equation.Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Are there reductions in road fund licence available for HGVs compliant with enhanced emissions standards?
I also suspect that the £3000 investment will not depreciate all that much, which is good.
skwdenyer said:
Weltmeister said:
If you tax the vehicle as PLG then effectively it is now a private vehicle. Ensure you have "Not for hire or reward" on the doors. I have not read the legislation on LEZ but it will be written to encompass company owned/operated commercial vehicles that operate frequently within London/Greater London.
If the vehicle is re-classified as PLG then it is no longer a commercial vehicle
Allan
I'm unsure where you get your information, but I don't see this "exemption" listed on the TfL website. Otherwise, for instance, motor caravans would be exempted.If the vehicle is re-classified as PLG then it is no longer a commercial vehicle
Allan
However, the exemptions listed are:
TfL said:
* Vehicles designed and built for mainly off-road use, but which may be used on the road for limited purposes. Such vehicles include agricultural and forestry tractors, mowing machines, agricultural & farm machinery and equipment, mobile cranes and road & building construction machinery;
* Historic vehicles (those constructed before 1 January 1973); and
* Military vehicles registered in Great Britain.
Given that, as far as I can tell, a well-maintained old truck should go on forever, I suspect simply buying a pre-73 truck could be quite a good bet. If the fuel economy isn't good enough for you, re-engine it with a more modern engine - there could be quite a lucrative business here for a short while :-)* Historic vehicles (those constructed before 1 January 1973); and
* Military vehicles registered in Great Britain.
To be honest, in general, I'm in favour of this move, as the particulate levels in London have been horrid for a very long time. What irks me, however, if the imposition of this by TfL without any obvious consultation or debtate. But, much as I dislike Ken, taking tough choices is one of the jobs of the politician in the wider interests of society; this seems to be just such a case.
Howitzer said:
Am I right in thinking that this will affect a privately owned Unimog which is classed as an agricultural vehicle?
Dave!
I just punched my VRN in and it's exempt.I have a privately owned 1980 U1000 AG, registered as an agricultural tractor.Dave!
Maybe we need to have a trundle in for a laugh,along with anything else likely to p*ss him off(military vehicles etc etc!)
normalbloke said:
Howitzer said:
Am I right in thinking that this will affect a privately owned Unimog which is classed as an agricultural vehicle?
Dave!
I just punched my VRN in and it's exempt.I have a privately owned 1980 U1000 AG, registered as an agricultural tractor.Dave!
Maybe we need to have a trundle in for a laugh,along with anything else likely to p*ss him off(military vehicles etc etc!)
lambogenie said:
I recently was on a street that is a border for the CC. If you are driving on this street, you are not liable for the charge. If you turn off the street in the direction of central London, however, you go into the zone.
A side turning off this street was a cul-de-sac mews, no more than 100 metres long. The mews was on the central London side of the border so - you guessed it - there was a full set of these cameras to cover the 100 metres of the cul-de-sac. Pathetic.
I had a overnight stop-over in london recently and staid at the Ibis on Towerbridge road which is a border for the CC zone, i arrived at 1am and was directed to the carpark which was in an entrance off a side street behind the hotel. Next morning, i came out of the car park and turned right and went back on to Tower bridge road and out of London.A side turning off this street was a cul-de-sac mews, no more than 100 metres long. The mews was on the central London side of the border so - you guessed it - there was a full set of these cameras to cover the 100 metres of the cul-de-sac. Pathetic.
I got a fine through for not paying the congestion charge, something like 70 quid for a 5 metre stretch of road between the carpark exit and tower bridge road driving AWAY from the CC>
Needless to say i will never be staying at that hotel again.
The CC has had a huge impact which ken refuses to accept imho, it damages business because i simply won't go in to London any more and use shops and services outside the CC zone instead.
Edited by lambogenie on Saturday 3rd November 10:54
I seriously hope red ken comes to a very sticky end
skwdenyer said:
MJK 24 said:
As promised, here are the prices I've been quoted.
Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Much as I disagree with the tactics being used, this does on the face of it look like an effective (if blunt) way of getting improved emissions standards in London. £3,000 to save (potentially up to) £120,000 of "charges" seems like a pretty good carrot - vs - stick equation.Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Are there reductions in road fund licence available for HGVs compliant with enhanced emissions standards?
I also suspect that the £3000 investment will not depreciate all that much, which is good.
Given I will be (unlawfully in my view) banned from driving a legal, roadworthy and fully taxed vehicle inside the M25, can I have a refund on my road fund licence please?
teamHOLDENracing said:
skwdenyer said:
MJK 24 said:
As promised, here are the prices I've been quoted.
Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Much as I disagree with the tactics being used, this does on the face of it look like an effective (if blunt) way of getting improved emissions standards in London. £3,000 to save (potentially up to) £120,000 of "charges" seems like a pretty good carrot - vs - stick equation.Vehicle is a 1998 Renault Midliner 7.5 ton with 1,400,000kms showing.
To update to Euro 3 allowing use until 2012 - £3,000 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
To update to Euro 4 allowing use beyond 2012 - £4,100 for the kit plus fitting plus VAT.
Are there reductions in road fund licence available for HGVs compliant with enhanced emissions standards?
I also suspect that the £3000 investment will not depreciate all that much, which is good.
Given I will be (unlawfully in my view) banned from driving a legal, roadworthy and fully taxed vehicle inside the M25, can I have a refund on my road fund licence please?
As to air quality and location, ultimately all boundaries are a bit arbitrary. This is where the line has been drawn; it had to go somewhere.
I disagree, because the congestion charge does not single out a particular type of vehicle. In addition, a £200 a day charge is effectively a ban. £200 is not a charge, it is a punitive penalty
I still don't see how targetting a specific type of vehicle, which is perfectly roadworthy and meets all MOT requirements, can be legal. Which piece of legislation gives Ken the right to have different MOT requirements than the rest of the country - because effectively that is what we have
I still don't see how targetting a specific type of vehicle, which is perfectly roadworthy and meets all MOT requirements, can be legal. Which piece of legislation gives Ken the right to have different MOT requirements than the rest of the country - because effectively that is what we have
teamHOLDENracing said:
I disagree, because the congestion charge does not single out a particular type of vehicle. In addition, a £200 a day charge is effectively a ban. £200 is not a charge, it is a punitive penalty
I still don't see how targetting a specific type of vehicle, which is perfectly roadworthy and meets all MOT requirements, can be legal. Which piece of legislation gives Ken the right to have different MOT requirements than the rest of the country - because effectively that is what we have
sounds totally out of order to me as well, how dare they ban you from the road when your in a legal vehicle. I still don't see how targetting a specific type of vehicle, which is perfectly roadworthy and meets all MOT requirements, can be legal. Which piece of legislation gives Ken the right to have different MOT requirements than the rest of the country - because effectively that is what we have
£200 pound a day off everyone affected, should be able to get a contract on red ken for that AND have a lot of change for a party.
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