RE: Six points for speeding
Discussion
doddy1982 said:
To finalise my point:
1) New law, good idea, speeding in built up areas is not a good idea really, whats the point?
2) People should cross the road properly.
3) Idiots doing something completely stupid when crossing the road don't "deserve" to get hit and injured/killed.
How should this effect your happy life of blasting down a derestricted b-road? Surely residential areas where people are likely to be, and are likely to get hit are not places you would naturally go for a blast?!
Speeding laws get you lots so riled up!!! They are simply punishing people more who are blatantly taking the p.i.s.s out of the law?!
The point you've somehow missed is that many of the speed limits are too low for the road = people speeding = 6 points.1) New law, good idea, speeding in built up areas is not a good idea really, whats the point?
2) People should cross the road properly.
3) Idiots doing something completely stupid when crossing the road don't "deserve" to get hit and injured/killed.
How should this effect your happy life of blasting down a derestricted b-road? Surely residential areas where people are likely to be, and are likely to get hit are not places you would naturally go for a blast?!
Speeding laws get you lots so riled up!!! They are simply punishing people more who are blatantly taking the p.i.s.s out of the law?!
95 mph on a motorway is not always such a crime - somehow the germans seem to survive.
Sometimes 60mph on a Motorway is too fast.
Hope that's put it basic enough for you.
Snooglefinder said:
Aaaarrrggghhh!
Don’t post often but this is just getting ridiculous.
The erosion of personal responsibility has just gone one step further. Surely a well trained and responsible driver can make a decision based on the prevailing road and other conditions in order to gauge the correct safe speed on that particular occasion?
The government etc obviously think not……
I am not advocating that we have no speed limits at all but that they are enforced in a reasonable and intelligent way. Variable speed limits also seem like a bloody good idea, 3am on the M1 is very different to 3pm – likewise for built up areas, schools etc.
I cannot believe that anyone really believes that by making the punishment for speeding more and more draconian that this will actually save lives?
We really need someone to inject to some common sense into this bloody government and have the strength of character to speak out against the ‘Speed Kill’ brigade.
Anyway – just my 2p and flame at will should you so desire.
My friend, I'm glad you have (posted, that is.)Don’t post often but this is just getting ridiculous.
The erosion of personal responsibility has just gone one step further. Surely a well trained and responsible driver can make a decision based on the prevailing road and other conditions in order to gauge the correct safe speed on that particular occasion?
The government etc obviously think not……
I am not advocating that we have no speed limits at all but that they are enforced in a reasonable and intelligent way. Variable speed limits also seem like a bloody good idea, 3am on the M1 is very different to 3pm – likewise for built up areas, schools etc.
I cannot believe that anyone really believes that by making the punishment for speeding more and more draconian that this will actually save lives?
We really need someone to inject to some common sense into this bloody government and have the strength of character to speak out against the ‘Speed Kill’ brigade.
Anyway – just my 2p and flame at will should you so desire.
The post might easily embody 'middle England' though in fairness, I'd say 'middle UK:' I know plenty of Scots and a pit marauding band of phlegm chundering Welshies who all share this fit-to-explode sense of incredulity.
I said it's a class war and it is.
Any precept or exponent thereof which broadly approximates unto fiscal or material acquisition are discounted as bad, suspicious, per se.
Ambition is to be stifled, discouraged: work hard, study, achieve - sure - just but don't be too proficient that it might offend the prickly sensibilities of that all-too green eyed neighbour...
Earlier this afternoon, I drove with swmbo down what I have today dubbed 'Bentley Boulevard;' a 2 mile procession through this ex mill town's incredulously affluent quarter to collect the brattette from the locale's version of Hogwarts.
Sure, it was the usual procession of cringetacious neobling but you couldn't fault them for effort. In the very least, they aspired and wanted something better for them and theirs.
Yet as the Q7s, RR Sports, RR Vogues, Cayennes, Conti GT/Cs and Flying Spurs were punctuated by the ocassional non regimented, automotive badge of honour (like an Audi saloon car), their queue for the gates - a perfectly legal, non-hazard or jam creating line - was being photographed by two grim, sour faced officials.
Yup, local traffic wardens had been called or sent in to monitor the anti social, communist-upsetting antics of the sprog collecting yumski mummytoffs.
Within seconds, it became clear that a case was being formed - by the local stasi, nominally for 'the common man' that would amount to nothing more than the inconveniencing of 'a bunch of rich snobs.'
A infitessimal defeat for 'the cause generale,' I realise but if you had been there to witness the lunacy and petty bias you would have sensed the nature of Nulabia's agenda based politicking.
Whether conscious or uncoordinated, dictated from on high or prejudiced in the commisariats of Britain's myriad, leftist dominated council halls, the battle to oppress you, restrict you, tax and disposses you is joined.
The time to strike back is nigh. I suppose petitions, yes, might be a start...
spoonoff said:
If you are doing over 45 in a 30 zone you deserve what you get.
Mate, I live in Suffolk. We have 30mph that stretch into the middle of no where, without any clear signage.I agree, some Pin Head doing over 45 mph in a 30mph in front of a School or Police Station deserves punishment, but there are some stupid limits that have been put in place recently that are paramount to entrapment.
This forum shows more and more the results of the divide and conquer policy. The biggest problem is the mindless fiddling with both the value of the limits and the length/location of the restricted zones. Don't forget the dual carriageways with 70,60,50,40 and even 30 limits, don't forget the vans placed just where you enter and leave all these zones. Just where you roll off the speed & avoid braking and slow naturally but TOO late or accelerate that bit too early when you see the NL sign after crawling through one of their deliberately low limit zones. This divisons between police and public and within the population is probably the worst and most debilitating side affect of the whole sorry business.
Anyone else just cath the ITV news item about this?
Police using HAND HELD laser devises to cath speeders. Got one woman at 48 in a 30. as it showed them using it it was saying all over.
I thought you could only use this on a heavy tri pod?
oh and I could be misstaken as I had only just turned on the TV but I think the news reader said speed was the single biggest factor in road deaths!
Police using HAND HELD laser devises to cath speeders. Got one woman at 48 in a 30. as it showed them using it it was saying all over.
I thought you could only use this on a heavy tri pod?
oh and I could be misstaken as I had only just turned on the TV but I think the news reader said speed was the single biggest factor in road deaths!
spoonoff said:
Obviously in residential areas it's a no-brainer.
Let's consider the far less common senario of, say, a deserted 10 mile stretch of duel carrigeway, that for whatever reason is under a 30 mph limit. You would be tempted to put your foot down, but you aren't going to enjoy the drive any more at 45 than at 30.
Time taken to cover the distance at 45 mph: 13 minutes 20 seconds.
Time taken to cover it at 30 mph: 20 minutes.
So the pertinent question is really, what exactly do you intend to do with the extra 6 minutes 40 seconds???
spend it on typing crap responses into a computer as an appendage to an initial crap response? Let's consider the far less common senario of, say, a deserted 10 mile stretch of duel carrigeway, that for whatever reason is under a 30 mph limit. You would be tempted to put your foot down, but you aren't going to enjoy the drive any more at 45 than at 30.
Time taken to cover the distance at 45 mph: 13 minutes 20 seconds.
Time taken to cover it at 30 mph: 20 minutes.
So the pertinent question is really, what exactly do you intend to do with the extra 6 minutes 40 seconds???
PS: I hope you in particular get the governent you deserve.
jmorgan said:
Is it me or have all the news channels bent over and started smiling for the governments spin?
Sorry, were you expecting something as noble as journalism on ITV news? Where have you been these past few years? ITV merely recites everyone's press releases these days, and stories are almost completely chosen for thier "shock/reaction/outrage" value.In fact I don't think they even use big words anymore, less the Proles don't understand...
corozin said:
jmorgan said:
Is it me or have all the news channels bent over and started smiling for the governments spin?
Sorry, were you expecting something as noble as journalism on ITV news? Where have you been these past few years? ITV merely recites everyone's press releases these days, and stories are almost completely chosen for thier "shock/reaction/outrage" value.In fact I don't think they even use big words anymore, less the Proles don't understand...
I assume they all had the one good reporter out east looking for floods.
Edited to add, they all had the same ring to it. Same script I assume?
Edited by jmorgan on Friday 9th November 19:06
march said:
How much would this cost the government though, I for one could not get to work without driving, so I would have to either quit and get a job nearer to home with less pay probably therefore more getting more tax credits, or just go on the dole and get everything paid for by the government that banned me.
Of the two I know which one would be easiest.
The old argument of "If I get banned it'll cost the government more money". Not necessarily so. Just living on dole etc is, I think, a tad more difficult than you might imagine. As for the proposals; I fully support them, particularly the 45 in a 30. Absolutely no excuses other than "I'm an idiot". I'm in the "deserve all you get" camp.Of the two I know which one would be easiest.
derestrictor said:
The time to strike back is nigh. I suppose petitions, yes, might be a start...
I'd say the time to strike back has been and gone. The ballot papers were out a couple of years ago and even before that they made it illegal to protest anywhere near parliament without prior 'permission'! 
Petitions...I assume you mean those things that pass through the halls of Westminster and out the other (smellier) end quicker than a Vindaloo through a small baby?!? All they do is placate the signatories into thinking they're doing something.
Nope, the only things that MAY work are:-
1) Write to your MP. With reasoned words. Not too many though, and not too long, lest the poor chap(esse) gets bored or lost.
2) Vote at the next election. Since there is no 'none of the above', and no sensible voting system in this country, you would need to vote either for the party with the most chance of getting the current incumbent out (if Labour), or for someone so extreme/silly that it is clearly a protest vote.
3) Commit repeated crimes against the whole speed-enforcement apparatus. But I don't advocate this as it's illegal, and they'll probably treat you more harshly than a repeat speeder who's a major Conservative Party donor!
havoc said:
Nope, the only things that MAY work are:-
1) Write to your MP. With reasoned words. Not too many though, and not too long, lest the poor chap(esse) gets bored or lost.
2) Vote at the next election. Since there is no 'none of the above', and no sensible voting system in this country, you would need to vote either for the party with the most chance of getting the current incumbent out (if Labour), or for someone so extreme/silly that it is clearly a protest vote.
I'm afraid this will only result in one party being replaced with another one with the same anti-car agenda. What is really needed is a new party that can captialise on the 3 main parties anti-car anti-freedom agenda's, that would really scare the crap out of them - I understand the UK Independent Party has a much better motorist friendly policy.1) Write to your MP. With reasoned words. Not too many though, and not too long, lest the poor chap(esse) gets bored or lost.
2) Vote at the next election. Since there is no 'none of the above', and no sensible voting system in this country, you would need to vote either for the party with the most chance of getting the current incumbent out (if Labour), or for someone so extreme/silly that it is clearly a protest vote.
Andy
15 MPH over the 70 limit on the motorway i.e. the speed most of us usually travel at gets you £100 and 6 points.......don't make me laugh this is ridiculous and won't be enforced by plod.
15 MPH over 20 MPH outside a school between 8-9 or 4-5 then sorry but you deserve to get 6 points.....trouble is we all know that there are places nationwide where the local councils introduce stupidly low speed limits because either a local councillor lives there or a local nimby has partotioned for a lower limit.....where we will be doing 15 MPH over as a matter of course and get done regardless of the danger to society that we don't represent.
It is just another one of Labours attempts at control.
15 MPH over 20 MPH outside a school between 8-9 or 4-5 then sorry but you deserve to get 6 points.....trouble is we all know that there are places nationwide where the local councils introduce stupidly low speed limits because either a local councillor lives there or a local nimby has partotioned for a lower limit.....where we will be doing 15 MPH over as a matter of course and get done regardless of the danger to society that we don't represent.
It is just another one of Labours attempts at control.
JimSuperSix said:
schnellbomber said:
spoonoff said:
If you are doing over 45 in a 30 zone you deserve what you get.
Great, another keyboard warrior. Welcome
If it was 65 or 70 in a 60, yes that's pretty harsh, but 45 in a 30? Tough, read your speedo and slow down. If not, accept the consequences.
Edited by JimSuperSix on Friday 9th November 10:54
The other problem with this proposal is the proliferation of 20mph limits. Our local Parish Council campaigned to introduce them on EVERY road in the village apart from the main lane going through. .. AND they succeeded. Some of these roads around the perimeter of the village are long straight sections of road that were previously 30mph limits. Have you ever tried to travel sufficiently UNDER 20 mph (which means realistically 17mph to remove any chance of error ... otherwise you have your eyes permanently glued to the speedo) on a longish stretch of straight road? Its not easy.
If BRAKE have their way ..... and they seem to be making inroads(sic) at the moment with their propaganda ...... then we will have 20mph absobloddylutely everywhere.
I predict that thousands more will lose their licences.
I just want to
somebody ....... but I can't think who 
So speed is the great evil. I thought it was accidents and recklessness that is the sin, speed just makes the previous worse in my view.
So if its speed 'becoz hitting someone at 35 mph is more likely to kill than 30 mph' duh!
Why stop there, I will eliminate 90% of all road deaths.. I hereby enforce the new all roads speed as 7 mph yes thats seven.
I will eliminate 99% of all accidents at this speed, plus cut driving varbon foot print by 99% so thats a knighthood and hon Green peace medal for me, Plus given that its so slow we can all walk next to our cars, and just use the seat when we feel tired and need to sit.
Great we can build houses on 2 of the 3 M1 Lanes, becoz we will all walk. 'Coz we are saving lives!!!!!!!!' by not speeding.
We can all live in a country that is green and nobody dies in automotive accidents, and those that want a job and to work can move to a country where business and productivity matters also. A place where it doesn't take 9 hours to get to an appointment and back.
Already as a user of the M1 is so unreliable and congested this country is becoming unreliable as a business travel proposition and the trains aref Firkin Diabolical.
Why not get all the haulage on Rail????????? Leave us to get somewhere in decent time, only use 30 mph zones in built up areas/ schools etc..
Becoz we want to keep 5% of users off the road becoz we do not want to build new roads and it a great tax system too...
I will take my skills elsewhere if I face a ban for minor offences such as being nabbed in a unknown destination at 5 -8 mph than what was deemed acceptable.
Its time we threw out the people/government who tax and burden motorists and go for speeding as high crime when the can't bust the thugs that beat my son up and have f**k all interest in it...
Cowardice government go for the easy nicks....Get rid of this government the pigs and cowards...........
So if its speed 'becoz hitting someone at 35 mph is more likely to kill than 30 mph' duh!
Why stop there, I will eliminate 90% of all road deaths.. I hereby enforce the new all roads speed as 7 mph yes thats seven.
I will eliminate 99% of all accidents at this speed, plus cut driving varbon foot print by 99% so thats a knighthood and hon Green peace medal for me, Plus given that its so slow we can all walk next to our cars, and just use the seat when we feel tired and need to sit.
Great we can build houses on 2 of the 3 M1 Lanes, becoz we will all walk. 'Coz we are saving lives!!!!!!!!' by not speeding.
We can all live in a country that is green and nobody dies in automotive accidents, and those that want a job and to work can move to a country where business and productivity matters also. A place where it doesn't take 9 hours to get to an appointment and back.
Already as a user of the M1 is so unreliable and congested this country is becoming unreliable as a business travel proposition and the trains aref Firkin Diabolical.
Why not get all the haulage on Rail????????? Leave us to get somewhere in decent time, only use 30 mph zones in built up areas/ schools etc..
Becoz we want to keep 5% of users off the road becoz we do not want to build new roads and it a great tax system too...
I will take my skills elsewhere if I face a ban for minor offences such as being nabbed in a unknown destination at 5 -8 mph than what was deemed acceptable.
Its time we threw out the people/government who tax and burden motorists and go for speeding as high crime when the can't bust the thugs that beat my son up and have f**k all interest in it...
Cowardice government go for the easy nicks....Get rid of this government the pigs and cowards...........
Ah, I just saw some muppet say that 800 lives could be saved as speeding "contributed" to these deaths. Now, what level of contribution it made he didn't quite manage to clarify.. UNless it was 100% methinks he was telling porkies.. Actually, I think he was telling porkies full stop, he was after all, a Labour Minister.
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