RE: PH Zeroes: Mitsubishi 3000GT
Discussion
Makoo said:
You are some serious spanker who has not a clue my friend! You obviously have never driven, nor owned a GTO, as your above blab tells all. Maybe you should do some real 'research' before spealing such nonsence. Your days as a new 'gerbil' are numbered! Ecu in wing.....give over! HA HA HA
Question is, who lets a trotter like this Makoo chap on here? PH is going to the dogs..... 
Wadeski said:
Pop up lights don't work? Are you mad?
Pop up lights = instant cool. Unless you are an old fart, who was not young enough in the 80s to lust after anything with the indicator of performance, the pop-up headlight.
I was a whippersnapper in the '80s. Pop up headlights were naff back then, too. I guess they were cool on the Lotus Elan and Lambo Miura in the late '60s, though - but so were 15 minute guitar solos, flares and spiking your mates' drinks with LSD. Pop up lights = instant cool. Unless you are an old fart, who was not young enough in the 80s to lust after anything with the indicator of performance, the pop-up headlight.
900T-R said:
Wadeski said:
Pop up lights don't work? Are you mad?
Pop up lights = instant cool. Unless you are an old fart, who was not young enough in the 80s to lust after anything with the indicator of performance, the pop-up headlight.
I was a whippersnapper in the '80s. Pop up headlights were naff back then, too. I guess they were cool on the Lotus Elan and Lambo Miura in the late '60s, though - but so were 15 minute guitar solos, flares and spiking your mates' drinks with LSD. Pop up lights = instant cool. Unless you are an old fart, who was not young enough in the 80s to lust after anything with the indicator of performance, the pop-up headlight.
Oh and pop up lights - Ferrari 355 anyone?! One of the best looking cars today
I personally think they look very stylish. However, I have heard many bad reports about them and how hard they are to work on. This puts me off buying one, I think the Mk4 Supra is a safer if not more 'run of the mill' proposition.
The MR version was the one to have if my memory serves me correct, it was light and more focused and got rid of lots of the overly complex gadgets!
The MR version was the one to have if my memory serves me correct, it was light and more focused and got rid of lots of the overly complex gadgets!
I think truth and bulls
t in equal measure, I owned the twin turbo from about 2002 - 2004 and it was a laugh, certainly much, much more fun than the Subaru Legacy Twin Turbo or the Porsche 996 carrera four I replaced it with.
One thing I want to set straight is that they cost bugger all to run if you look on ebay and on www.gtouk.com a clutch certainly doesnt cost a grand and neither does an ECU unless its an uprated performamce one, I threw my old standard ECU out with the rubbish as you can get them so freely from breakers yards, mates on the forum etc, equally the brains to run the ABS and other bits are so freely available for pocket money as these cars are getting broken up all the time.
I set out to turn mine into a 10 second 1/4 mile car but eventually grew up and wanted something a little more flash - hence the Porsche but I will always remember the fun I had racing motorbikes in my modified GTO, it was a lump but with 450 bhp, stripped out and lightened, and a big drag clutch, when you drop the clutch at 8000 rpm it was so violent off the line and totally addictive.
As long as you get the later 6 speed with the cast iron transfer case there are no major expensive issues.
t in equal measure, I owned the twin turbo from about 2002 - 2004 and it was a laugh, certainly much, much more fun than the Subaru Legacy Twin Turbo or the Porsche 996 carrera four I replaced it with. One thing I want to set straight is that they cost bugger all to run if you look on ebay and on www.gtouk.com a clutch certainly doesnt cost a grand and neither does an ECU unless its an uprated performamce one, I threw my old standard ECU out with the rubbish as you can get them so freely from breakers yards, mates on the forum etc, equally the brains to run the ABS and other bits are so freely available for pocket money as these cars are getting broken up all the time.
I set out to turn mine into a 10 second 1/4 mile car but eventually grew up and wanted something a little more flash - hence the Porsche but I will always remember the fun I had racing motorbikes in my modified GTO, it was a lump but with 450 bhp, stripped out and lightened, and a big drag clutch, when you drop the clutch at 8000 rpm it was so violent off the line and totally addictive.
As long as you get the later 6 speed with the cast iron transfer case there are no major expensive issues.
Aside from whether the 3000GT is good, bad or indifferent isn't the real issue here that for what must be the largest non-specific marque website you would have thought that the research carried out would have been a tad more thorough?
It's inevitable that given the sheer scale of the PH massive that there is always going to be at least one person who actually does know their subject very well and it's asking for trouble to author an article that makes some (deliberate?) contentious remarks.
Can not the authors leverage (sorry about the Americanism) the combined wisdom of PH in future and thus deliver articles whos subsequent merit is not reduced almost exponentially due to a wealth of rapidly discovered factual errors.
It's inevitable that given the sheer scale of the PH massive that there is always going to be at least one person who actually does know their subject very well and it's asking for trouble to author an article that makes some (deliberate?) contentious remarks.
Can not the authors leverage (sorry about the Americanism) the combined wisdom of PH in future and thus deliver articles whos subsequent merit is not reduced almost exponentially due to a wealth of rapidly discovered factual errors.
Edited by GnuBee on Friday 20th February 13:38
I've been on this forum long enough to know to avoid a quick reaction to a contentious post, especially in support of my GTO.
We're all guilty at some time, I would guess, of being prejudiced for or against something because of half-truths, rumours or speculation we've heard or read. At least of lot of PH members have now read some facts from past and present owners of this marque.
I'm not alone on the GTOUK forum in having an unmodified GTO twin turbo which is nearly 16 years old, passes its MoT without much bother each year, still has 90% of the power it left the factory with, can see off most Porsches and hold its own around Brands Hatch occasionally. It can also carry 3 adult passengers at a pinch or about 15 bags of garden waste to the tip (as I will be doing later this week).
Each to his (or her) own, but please choose on the basis of first-hand knowledge if you can.
We're all guilty at some time, I would guess, of being prejudiced for or against something because of half-truths, rumours or speculation we've heard or read. At least of lot of PH members have now read some facts from past and present owners of this marque.
I'm not alone on the GTOUK forum in having an unmodified GTO twin turbo which is nearly 16 years old, passes its MoT without much bother each year, still has 90% of the power it left the factory with, can see off most Porsches and hold its own around Brands Hatch occasionally. It can also carry 3 adult passengers at a pinch or about 15 bags of garden waste to the tip (as I will be doing later this week).
Each to his (or her) own, but please choose on the basis of first-hand knowledge if you can.
GnuBee said:
Aside from whether the 3000GT is good, bad or indifferent isn't the real issue here that for what must be the largest non-specific marque website you would have thought that the research carried out would have been a tad more thorough?
It's inevitable that given the sheer scale of the PH massive that there is always going to be at least one person who actually does know their subject very well and it's asking for trouble to author an article that makes some (deliberate?) contentious remarks.
Can not the authors leverage (sorry about the Americanism) the combined wisdom of PH in future and thus deliver articles whos subsequent merit is not reduced almost exponentially due to a wealth of rapidly discovered factual errors.
Sorry, what evidence are you submitting to suggest that one person is right and the other is wrong?It's inevitable that given the sheer scale of the PH massive that there is always going to be at least one person who actually does know their subject very well and it's asking for trouble to author an article that makes some (deliberate?) contentious remarks.
Can not the authors leverage (sorry about the Americanism) the combined wisdom of PH in future and thus deliver articles whos subsequent merit is not reduced almost exponentially due to a wealth of rapidly discovered factual errors.
Edited by GnuBee on Friday 20th February 13:38
I've always been a bit of a fan of these since the original Gran Turismo game on the playstation 1, they were the fastest cars in the game, more so than Skylines! 
Do they have the same underpinnings as the Galant/Legnum VR-4? I'm guessing they do, and I'm also guessing they weigh a similar amount. I'd think I'd rather have a Legnum VR-4.
Do they have the same underpinnings as the Galant/Legnum VR-4? I'm guessing they do, and I'm also guessing they weigh a similar amount. I'd think I'd rather have a Legnum VR-4.
DPN said:
After owning a modified GTO for the past 9 years all i can do after reading this write up is laugh.
It's so far off the truth it's unreal.
Here is my Zero car that no one would ever want to own.
Regards
Dave
You're right, no offense but very few people would want to own anything that looks like that, it is one seriosuly chav'd up car in my opinion, surely you dont think that people in this day and age would want an old Mitsubishi that looks like a 17 year old was given a £100 Halford gift card to do it up?It's so far off the truth it's unreal.
Here is my Zero car that no one would ever want to own.
Regards
Dave
Dont want to sound harsh, but you need to perhaps realise it's not exactly a thing of beauty or desire, maybe in some housing estates it would be considered wicked, I dont know, but in general it's not a very nice car at all.
Oli S said:
GnuBee said:
Aside from whether the 3000GT is good, bad or indifferent isn't the real issue here that for what must be the largest non-specific marque website you would have thought that the research carried out would have been a tad more thorough?
It's inevitable that given the sheer scale of the PH massive that there is always going to be at least one person who actually does know their subject very well and it's asking for trouble to author an article that makes some (deliberate?) contentious remarks.
Can not the authors leverage (sorry about the Americanism) the combined wisdom of PH in future and thus deliver articles whos subsequent merit is not reduced almost exponentially due to a wealth of rapidly discovered factual errors.
Sorry, what evidence are you submitting to suggest that one person is right and the other is wrong?It's inevitable that given the sheer scale of the PH massive that there is always going to be at least one person who actually does know their subject very well and it's asking for trouble to author an article that makes some (deliberate?) contentious remarks.
Can not the authors leverage (sorry about the Americanism) the combined wisdom of PH in future and thus deliver articles whos subsequent merit is not reduced almost exponentially due to a wealth of rapidly discovered factual errors.
Edited by GnuBee on Friday 20th February 13:38
PH has posted an article about a car which according to a number of people who actually own or have owned the cars has a number of factual errors.
The issue is that in electing to post the article it is implied that, in the abscence of any statement to the contrary, that the information contained therein is presented as fact - the perception is that this is not so.
It doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong (although I'm sure I'm not alone in tending to believe the statements made by owners) what matters is that the perception has been created that the research was somewhat lacking.
Without going on and on about it - PH has an enormous community; There will always be someone who knows about a particular car - why not engage the community at the beginning and take advantage of this pool of knowledge?
RobPhoboS said:
A lot of divided opinions !
Still T.M didn't exactly write that from a non biased POV, and that's a shame for a car loving site.
Shame on you.
It was a feature called 'PH Zero' and it wasn't dreamt up by Tony. If it was called Hero or Zero and was balanced copy equally focussing on both good and bad it wouldn't really work. Still T.M didn't exactly write that from a non biased POV, and that's a shame for a car loving site.
Shame on you.
Edited by Oli S on Friday 20th February 14:58
Vagabond said:
You're right, no offense but very few people would want to own anything that looks like that, it is one seriosuly chav'd up car in my opinion, surely you dont think that people in this day and age would want an old Mitsubishi that looks like a 17 year old was given a £100 Halford gift card to do it up?
Dont want to sound harsh, but you need to perhaps realise it's not exactly a thing of beauty or desire, maybe in some housing estates it would be considered wicked, I dont know, but in general it's not a very nice car at all.
Erm....how is it chavved up other than the rear wing? It looks pretty standard to me other than the FMIC which is hardly offensive and is pretty much required anyway. Dont want to sound harsh, but you need to perhaps realise it's not exactly a thing of beauty or desire, maybe in some housing estates it would be considered wicked, I dont know, but in general it's not a very nice car at all.
Its certainly no more 'chavved' up than any Evo which all have large wings etc..
I really don't get the motivation for posts like yours, you don't like his car fair enough but why be so insulting?
Why bother even typing? Do you think your doing him a favour by pointing out how wrong he is and how right you are? Its just a bit sad really, you read a thread and you have nothing to add other than to get a dig in at someone as you don't like his car.
Incidentally I think that is actually very nice looking and the headlights transform the front end. I have only been in one once but it was very quick and grippy but felt really composed and stable at the same time.
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