RE: PH Heroes: Honda NSX

[NoelWatson]

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Haven't got the figures in front of me, but I'm fairly sure it's got almost the same headline figures as the Mk2 Focus RS.

Might be worth checking the figures. The NSX was 15 mph quicker at VMax than the Focus.

From Autocar (first the NSX, then the Focus):

Top speed: 159 vs. 163

0-60: 5.8 vs. 5.7

Standing 1/4: 14.2 vs. 14.2

0-100: 13.7 vs. 13.9

(thanks to my old man for slaving over his archive)

So to all intents and purposes identical.

Get your old man to check the archive for anything but the very first NSXs. 0-60 in around 5.2 and ton in around 12 (the quickest was the 02 car - 0-100 in 10.9 and 171 round the bowl).

http://www.amazon.com/Honda-Acura-NSX-Ultimate-Por...


Furhermore, if the Focus can do 163, my name is Norbert Dentressangle - it does around 150 tops (Autocar managed 146 IIRC), which ties in with its power and CdA. The one at VMax was getting mid 140s which makes sense - we were mid 160s.

Some people will not acknowledge a fact if it comes up and bits them on the bum. Johnnytheboy quotes the actual, the real, the authentic Autocar road test figures from 19 December 1990, which also told us that the test car had done 14,000 miles when it was tested, and that the max was recorded on the bowl at Millbrook.
Autocar's tests are widely acknowledged as the most accurate in the business - which explains why (I believe) they were the only magazine trusted with testing the McLaren F1 and the Jaguar XJ220.
I for one believe their figures, as opposed to 'claims' made by anyone else.

Please see my comments (and others above) re other Autocar NSX tests (I can refer you to many). Furthermore, what did Autocar get on the bowl in the Focus?

As for Autocar accuracy, that depends on the state of the press cars - e.g. I reckon the 02 NSX was a bit of a ringer, and it is even easier to up the boost on the turbocharged cars.

[GlenMH]

Sudesh said:

If it was 120,000 dollors and a real NSX-R then yeah, must be pre-facelift. I've seen a few pre-facelift NSX-R with the facelift conversion thought!

I certainly defer to Havoc's bearding when it comes to NSXs! It had projectors and could well have been an NA1 that had been converted.

The cars here seem to be 50:50 regarding being modded and standard. Some of the mods I have seen must have cost mental money: carbon diffusers and rear wings, splitters etc. I haven't seen any "veils**e" style horrors, it seems to be about stripping out weight and improving aero performance, which I can't argue with.

And a passenger ride in Trackdemon's @ VMAX with some great sideways action is still one of my all time motoring highlights. The noise..... Noel: I hope you are looking after yours and I am looking forward to catching up with you when we return to blighty.

Edited by GlenMH on Tuesday 25th January 07:00

[DanS]

RESSE said:

There is an article in Classic & Sportscar (February 2011) on buying/owning the NSX.

A very good read.

Theres a coincidence...

[AAGR]

NoelWatson said:

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Haven't got the figures in front of me, but I'm fairly sure it's got almost the same headline figures as the Mk2 Focus RS.

Might be worth checking the figures. The NSX was 15 mph quicker at VMax than the Focus.

From Autocar (first the NSX, then the Focus):

Top speed: 159 vs. 163

0-60: 5.8 vs. 5.7

Standing 1/4: 14.2 vs. 14.2

0-100: 13.7 vs. 13.9

(thanks to my old man for slaving over his archive)

So to all intents and purposes identical.

Get your old man to check the archive for anything but the very first NSXs. 0-60 in around 5.2 and ton in around 12 (the quickest was the 02 car - 0-100 in 10.9 and 171 round the bowl).

http://www.amazon.com/Honda-Acura-NSX-Ultimate-Por...


Furhermore, if the Focus can do 163, my name is Norbert Dentressangle - it does around 150 tops (Autocar managed 146 IIRC), which ties in with its power and CdA. The one at VMax was getting mid 140s which makes sense - we were mid 160s.

Some people will not acknowledge a fact if it comes up and bits them on the bum. Johnnytheboy quotes the actual, the real, the authentic Autocar road test figures from 19 December 1990, which also told us that the test car had done 14,000 miles when it was tested, and that the max was recorded on the bowl at Millbrook.
Autocar's tests are widely acknowledged as the most accurate in the business - which explains why (I believe) they were the only magazine trusted with testing the McLaren F1 and the Jaguar XJ220.
I for one believe their figures, as opposed to 'claims' made by anyone else.

Please see my comments (and others above) re other Autocar NSX tests (I can refer you to many). Furthermore, what did Autocar get on the bowl in the Focus?

As for Autocar accuracy, that depends on the state of the press cars - e.g. I reckon the 02 NSX was a bit of a ringer, and it is even easier to up the boost on the turbocharged cars.

For NoelWatson, more facts (as opposed to suppositions).

Autocar tested the Focus RS on 20 May 2009. Top speeds recorded were 163 in 6th, 154 in 5th (on the rev-limiter) and 123 in 4th (also on rev limiter).
Looks authentic to me. More authentic than other magazines' claims of tests carried out in less scientific/less clinically accurate conditions ....

[anonymous-user]

DanS said:

RESSE said:

There is an article in Classic & Sportscar (February 2011) on buying/owning the NSX.

A very good read.

Theres a coincidence...

Are you saying that this site is sponsoring Haymarket?

[micawrx]

Great Car

I saw the first one in the country at the Birmingham Superprix (anyone else?) and the story goes that Honda had 12 orders before it had even finished its parade lap.

Its a good story even if a little bit of PR bull.

...just can't believe it was 21 years ago

[NoelWatson]

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Haven't got the figures in front of me, but I'm fairly sure it's got almost the same headline figures as the Mk2 Focus RS.

Might be worth checking the figures. The NSX was 15 mph quicker at VMax than the Focus.

From Autocar (first the NSX, then the Focus):

Top speed: 159 vs. 163

0-60: 5.8 vs. 5.7

Standing 1/4: 14.2 vs. 14.2

0-100: 13.7 vs. 13.9

(thanks to my old man for slaving over his archive)

So to all intents and purposes identical.

Get your old man to check the archive for anything but the very first NSXs. 0-60 in around 5.2 and ton in around 12 (the quickest was the 02 car - 0-100 in 10.9 and 171 round the bowl).

http://www.amazon.com/Honda-Acura-NSX-Ultimate-Por...


Furhermore, if the Focus can do 163, my name is Norbert Dentressangle - it does around 150 tops (Autocar managed 146 IIRC), which ties in with its power and CdA. The one at VMax was getting mid 140s which makes sense - we were mid 160s.

Some people will not acknowledge a fact if it comes up and bits them on the bum. Johnnytheboy quotes the actual, the real, the authentic Autocar road test figures from 19 December 1990, which also told us that the test car had done 14,000 miles when it was tested, and that the max was recorded on the bowl at Millbrook.
Autocar's tests are widely acknowledged as the most accurate in the business - which explains why (I believe) they were the only magazine trusted with testing the McLaren F1 and the Jaguar XJ220.
I for one believe their figures, as opposed to 'claims' made by anyone else.

Please see my comments (and others above) re other Autocar NSX tests (I can refer you to many). Furthermore, what did Autocar get on the bowl in the Focus?

As for Autocar accuracy, that depends on the state of the press cars - e.g. I reckon the 02 NSX was a bit of a ringer, and it is even easier to up the boost on the turbocharged cars.

For NoelWatson, more facts (as opposed to suppositions).

Autocar tested the Focus RS on 20 May 2009. Top speeds recorded were 163 in 6th, 154 in 5th (on the rev-limiter) and 123 in 4th (also on rev limiter).
Looks authentic to me. More authentic than other magazines' claims of tests carried out in less scientific/less clinically accurate conditions ....

Please refer me to the exact report where they got 163 round the bowl, rather than just take the manufacturers word for it. We can then move onto required power to achive that speed (which is around 170 on the flat). My, how I like your facts, (as opposed to suppositions)

[anonymous-user]

So despite the robust defence by everyone regarding the depths of the cars abilities VMAX is being hotly debated, yes I see now now much it doesn't matter to everyone how fast the NSX actually is

[NoelWatson]

yonex said:

So despite the robust defence by everyone regarding the depths of the cars abilities VMAX is being hotly debated, yes I see now now much it doesn't matter to everyone how fast the NSX actually is

I am more interested in how fast the Focus is, and how it defies the laws of nature at higher speeds.

[Kateg28]

My dad used to own a Lotus Europe (1973 - JPS one) which I adored. I then bought my MR2 which he did a lot of work on for me (Cheers dad!) and was surprised at how good to drive it was. This prompted him to resurrect his fantasy and at the beginning of last year he sold the lotus and bought the NSX (came with the private plate - N666NSX).

I have driven it only once so far (last year was hectic for me) when we took it to a Jap car show. I drove it up the A1 and everyone just got out of the way. It was magic.

It was as easy to drive as my MR2 although obviously a lot more power. I do agree with an earlier comment about the interior. I wouldn't rate it much more than my car's especially as it is 6 years newer and probably 3 times the price when new (now about 20 times......)

Hoping to drive it some more over the Summer.

[micawrx]

Kateg28 said:

My dad used to own a Lotus Europe (1973 - JPS one)

Europa? Nice car...

[Kateg28]

It was lovely and I almost cried when he sold it although I found it difficult to drive. He wanted me to take it on the track



But I am starting to fall in love with the new car

[motor mad]

Interiors have never been a strong point of Japanese cars, but that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The NSX is a truly stunning cars. That and the RX-7 are two timeless designs IMO.

Search for Spoon NSX on youtube and there is an NSX being compared to a Mines R35. I'm not so much interested in the power, but more about the comments about the chassis balance. It just shows how good the chassis is and that it could take significantly more power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQCToTJtInU

Lovely lovely cars. THE END.

[AAGR]

NoelWatson said:

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Haven't got the figures in front of me, but I'm fairly sure it's got almost the same headline figures as the Mk2 Focus RS.

Might be worth checking the figures. The NSX was 15 mph quicker at VMax than the Focus.

From Autocar (first the NSX, then the Focus):

Top speed: 159 vs. 163

0-60: 5.8 vs. 5.7

Standing 1/4: 14.2 vs. 14.2

0-100: 13.7 vs. 13.9

(thanks to my old man for slaving over his archive)

So to all intents and purposes identical.

Get your old man to check the archive for anything but the very first NSXs. 0-60 in around 5.2 and ton in around 12 (the quickest was the 02 car - 0-100 in 10.9 and 171 round the bowl).

http://www.amazon.com/Honda-Acura-NSX-Ultimate-Por...


Furhermore, if the Focus can do 163, my name is Norbert Dentressangle - it does around 150 tops (Autocar managed 146 IIRC), which ties in with its power and CdA. The one at VMax was getting mid 140s which makes sense - we were mid 160s.

Some people will not acknowledge a fact if it comes up and bits them on the bum. Johnnytheboy quotes the actual, the real, the authentic Autocar road test figures from 19 December 1990, which also told us that the test car had done 14,000 miles when it was tested, and that the max was recorded on the bowl at Millbrook.
Autocar's tests are widely acknowledged as the most accurate in the business - which explains why (I believe) they were the only magazine trusted with testing the McLaren F1 and the Jaguar XJ220.
I for one believe their figures, as opposed to 'claims' made by anyone else.

Please see my comments (and others above) re other Autocar NSX tests (I can refer you to many). Furthermore, what did Autocar get on the bowl in the Focus?

As for Autocar accuracy, that depends on the state of the press cars - e.g. I reckon the 02 NSX was a bit of a ringer, and it is even easier to up the boost on the turbocharged cars.

For NoelWatson, more facts (as opposed to suppositions).

Autocar tested the Focus RS on 20 May 2009. Top speeds recorded were 163 in 6th, 154 in 5th (on the rev-limiter) and 123 in 4th (also on rev limiter).
Looks authentic to me. More authentic than other magazines' claims of tests carried out in less scientific/less clinically accurate conditions ....

Please refer me to the exact report where they got 163 round the bowl, rather than just take the manufacturers word for it. We can then move onto required power to achive that speed (which is around 170 on the flat). My, how I like your facts, (as opposed to suppositions)

Some people really will not face up to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As I have already written down, calmly, clearly and truthfully, the road test was a full 8-pager, published on 20 May 2009, where the figures I have quoted to you are spelt out in detail. I know (because I have been involved in/observed a number of their tests in the past) that Autocar does not use manufacturers' figures, but takes its own. Indeed, in this particular test - and I quote from page 52 - 'our Focus went quicker than Ford's claimed figure ....'
Right. The Focus is as fast as their published figures show. Get over it ....

[NoelWatson]

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

AAGR said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

NoelWatson said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Haven't got the figures in front of me, but I'm fairly sure it's got almost the same headline figures as the Mk2 Focus RS.

Might be worth checking the figures. The NSX was 15 mph quicker at VMax than the Focus.

From Autocar (first the NSX, then the Focus):

Top speed: 159 vs. 163

0-60: 5.8 vs. 5.7

Standing 1/4: 14.2 vs. 14.2

0-100: 13.7 vs. 13.9

(thanks to my old man for slaving over his archive)

So to all intents and purposes identical.

Get your old man to check the archive for anything but the very first NSXs. 0-60 in around 5.2 and ton in around 12 (the quickest was the 02 car - 0-100 in 10.9 and 171 round the bowl).

http://www.amazon.com/Honda-Acura-NSX-Ultimate-Por...


Furhermore, if the Focus can do 163, my name is Norbert Dentressangle - it does around 150 tops (Autocar managed 146 IIRC), which ties in with its power and CdA. The one at VMax was getting mid 140s which makes sense - we were mid 160s.

Some people will not acknowledge a fact if it comes up and bits them on the bum. Johnnytheboy quotes the actual, the real, the authentic Autocar road test figures from 19 December 1990, which also told us that the test car had done 14,000 miles when it was tested, and that the max was recorded on the bowl at Millbrook.
Autocar's tests are widely acknowledged as the most accurate in the business - which explains why (I believe) they were the only magazine trusted with testing the McLaren F1 and the Jaguar XJ220.
I for one believe their figures, as opposed to 'claims' made by anyone else.

Please see my comments (and others above) re other Autocar NSX tests (I can refer you to many). Furthermore, what did Autocar get on the bowl in the Focus?

As for Autocar accuracy, that depends on the state of the press cars - e.g. I reckon the 02 NSX was a bit of a ringer, and it is even easier to up the boost on the turbocharged cars.

For NoelWatson, more facts (as opposed to suppositions).

Autocar tested the Focus RS on 20 May 2009. Top speeds recorded were 163 in 6th, 154 in 5th (on the rev-limiter) and 123 in 4th (also on rev limiter).
Looks authentic to me. More authentic than other magazines' claims of tests carried out in less scientific/less clinically accurate conditions ....

Please refer me to the exact report where they got 163 round the bowl, rather than just take the manufacturers word for it. We can then move onto required power to achive that speed (which is around 170 on the flat). My, how I like your facts, (as opposed to suppositions)

Some people really will not face up to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As I have already written down, calmly, clearly and truthfully, the road test was a full 8-pager, published on 20 May 2009, where the figures I have quoted to you are spelt out in detail. I know (because I have been involved in/observed a number of their tests in the past) that Autocar does not use manufacturers' figures, but takes its own. Indeed, in this particular test - and I quote from page 52 - 'our Focus went quicker than Ford's claimed figure ....'
Right. The Focus is as fast as their published figures show. Get over it ....

I am really keen to find the truth rather than suppositories. Do you want to phone/email Autocar or me? The figures for top speed are not quoted in detail, they quite often print the manufacturers top speed rather than test - I have seen them print a top speed in excess of 200mph, when going at that speed round Millbrook is decidely dodgy - didn't the Macca do 195 with Tiff at the wheel.

I am not disputing that the Ford will get to the ton in the figures Autocar got, I am disputing the top speed. While we are waiting for Autocar's response, shall we look at the numbers that allow the Focus to do 163 on the banking, which equates to around 170 on the flat?

Edited by NoelWatson on Tuesday 25th January 10:14

[louiebaby]

For all the owners, past and present:

How spacious is the cockpit?

I'm a tall chap. It's not easy to pop to a Honda Dealer to try one for size.

At 6'8'' tall, have I got no chance?

If I could conceivably fit, I don't need to cross it off my list of wants. (I don't intend to do track days, so room for me in a helmet is not really an issue.)

Thanks in advance...

[AAGR]

There really is no reasoning with NoelWatson, who clearly is a flat-earther of the first grade. By all means call Autocar if he so wishes - I suspect that they will ignore him as a non-believer who has never been anywhere near a road test, a road tester, or a road test venue.

I love reasoned discussion, but not when it means talking to a brick wall ....

[NoelWatson]

louiebaby said:

For all the owners, past and present:

How spacious is the cockpit?

I'm a tall chap. It's not easy to pop to a Honda Dealer to try one for size.

At 6'8'' tall, have I got no chance?

If I could conceivably fit, I don't need to cross it off my list of wants. (I don't intend to do track days, so room for me in a helmet is not really an issue.)

Thanks in advance...

I am 6ft 4 (but quite short in body), and my head is near the lining. I have to lean the seat back slightly. You may struggle

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12...

[louiebaby]

NoelWatson said:

I am 6ft 4 (but quite short in body), and my head is near the lining. I have to lean the seat back slightly. You may struggle

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12...

Thanks, the yanks on there give some pretty useful answers about taking the padding out of the seat or having them custom made on new runners. If I was to go down this route, I'd want to keep all the OEM gear, and make as few permanent changes to the car as possible.

All I need now is cash.

[mister.t]

I will have an NSX one day

When I was about 4 they were the strangest most futuristic cars in my I-Spy books, and I still think they look and sound incredible.

Also another twist, not that it really matters to most on here - It is the only decently quick car I could afford to insure, weighing in at not much more than a MINI Cooper S - Less than a Civic Type R (yes, really!), Nissan 350Z, RX8 etc. £2k is still a serious amount of money for insurance, but all things considered I think that is quite incredible! I dread to think what a Ferrari 355 (the other 'it' car from my childhood) would be

For a car that is as old as me, I think it has aged very well (less could be said of the bloke sat here typing this at the age of 20 ), and when I see one it really is special which means an awful lot!

Keep saving, one day...