RE: Spotted: Honda NSX-R (series one)
Discussion
Sudesh said:
stephen300o said:
A Miura is also slow, but they are still quite expensive. they don't even have any of the motor racing heritage of the NSX 
There are rumours about Flemke having an NA-1 NSX- R but I'm not so sure, I call 'custard' on that one. 
Yes he does! There are rumours about Flemke having an NA-1 NSX- R but I'm not so sure, I call 'custard' on that one. 
jellison said:
These things were state of the art for less than 5 minutes.
Had an OK V6 when it should have had at least and 8. A few years in they were just a nerdy great handling but slow (next to the ever changing copmpetition) that cam along and changed pretty much constantly during its huge time in production with bugger all changes (and a view light bits, different wheels and a tiny overbore are meaninless).
A Muira had a Proper engine was way more cutting edge when it came out 20 odd years before the first NSX!
So why have they held their value better than any 911 Carrera, arguably all the entry-level Ferraris of that age, and massively more than anything comparable from Japan?Had an OK V6 when it should have had at least and 8. A few years in they were just a nerdy great handling but slow (next to the ever changing copmpetition) that cam along and changed pretty much constantly during its huge time in production with bugger all changes (and a view light bits, different wheels and a tiny overbore are meaninless).
A Muira had a Proper engine was way more cutting edge when it came out 20 odd years before the first NSX!
Wadeski said:
jellison said:
These things were state of the art for less than 5 minutes.
Had an OK V6 when it should have had at least and 8. A few years in they were just a nerdy great handling but slow (next to the ever changing copmpetition) that cam along and changed pretty much constantly during its huge time in production with bugger all changes (and a view light bits, different wheels and a tiny overbore are meaninless).
A Muira had a Proper engine was way more cutting edge when it came out 20 odd years before the first NSX!
So why have they held their value better than any 911 Carrera, arguably all the entry-level Ferraris of that age, and massively more than anything comparable from Japan?Had an OK V6 when it should have had at least and 8. A few years in they were just a nerdy great handling but slow (next to the ever changing copmpetition) that cam along and changed pretty much constantly during its huge time in production with bugger all changes (and a view light bits, different wheels and a tiny overbore are meaninless).
A Muira had a Proper engine was way more cutting edge when it came out 20 odd years before the first NSX!
jellison said:
45k no that is daft for an old NSX.
Well, that 'old NSX' is the pinnacle of all Honda road cars. The most focused sports car from a company with a genuine motorsport heritage. Time will tell if £45k is daft. I suspect that, compared to most similar ways of spending £45k on something with 4 wheels, it'll not look so daft. There was a time when anyone spending £45k on a late '50s Les Paul Standard was seen as daft, too...
I can confirm this car is in amazing condition, my best friend was the previous owner (to the man selling it now) and he maintained this car regardless of cost. I have driven this many times as well as the NA2 NSX he had previously and the way the NSX and the NSX-R drive is truely amazing, BUT the NSX-R is on another level to the normal NSX's and this is an amazing car.
I have many pics of the car and even have rollign road print outs from a RR day I held a few years back where this attended.
Whoever buys this is in for a treat and gettign a great car thats not only rare but amazing and rewarding to drive.
NSX-R's are truly epic.
I have many pics of the car and even have rollign road print outs from a RR day I held a few years back where this attended.
Whoever buys this is in for a treat and gettign a great car thats not only rare but amazing and rewarding to drive.
NSX-R's are truly epic.
carl hammond said:
Justayellowbadge said:
I'm wondering, if these things are so very, very, good, why this one has been passed around a bit?
Its only on its 4th owner - I dont think its that bad for a 1995 built car ???Still, for such a 'grail' I'm surprised anyone has sold.
It's not as if it has appreciated to silly levels, which is the only reason I can imagine most would let go of a GTO/F1 or the like.
55allgold said:
jellison said:
45k no that is daft for an old NSX.
Well, that 'old NSX' is the pinnacle of all Honda road cars. The most focused sports car from a company with a genuine motorsport heritage. Time will tell if £45k is daft. I suspect that, compared to most similar ways of spending £45k on something with 4 wheels, it'll not look so daft. There was a time when anyone spending £45k on a late '50s Les Paul Standard was seen as daft, too...
Joking - I'm sure it is a nice toy, but I'd want alot more performancefor the outlay. Mind the chap that bought it new realised that the only way to get it moving was to drop in a final drive 2 steps lower than std (probably goes pretty well like thta but will have lost a good bit off the top end (but then top speed is largely just for bragging rights)).
jellison said:
t might be good with the Tiddle V6 pulled out and an LS and box popped in the right way round.
Joking - I'm sure it is a nice toy, but I'd want alot more performancefor the outlay. Mind the chap that bought it new realised that the only way to get it moving was to drop in a final drive 2 steps lower than std (probably goes pretty well like thta but will have lost a good bit off the top end (but then top speed is largely just for bragging rights)).
It's not exactly a slow car though. All this HP talk is somewhat foolish tbh.Joking - I'm sure it is a nice toy, but I'd want alot more performancefor the outlay. Mind the chap that bought it new realised that the only way to get it moving was to drop in a final drive 2 steps lower than std (probably goes pretty well like thta but will have lost a good bit off the top end (but then top speed is largely just for bragging rights)).
A £65k E-Type won't set the world on fire either, but that's hardly the reason you buy one.
Justayellowbadge said:
Apologies, my reading of the article made me think it was more.
Still, for such a 'grail' I'm surprised anyone has sold.
My friend only sold this car for personal reasons, he would love it back and I would do anythign to buy it but its well out of my league.Still, for such a 'grail' I'm surprised anyone has sold.
If anyone was to look at TRYING to source one from Japan you'd be looking at £65K+ for an NA1-R
Look for an NA2-R - 120K+
People forget these are a peice of Japanese history, Senna was a key point in the design etc and looking at other classic historic cars they fetch bit money also such as the following:
http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19286/lot/427/ - Delta S4 - £80 - £100K D Reg
http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19286/lot/435/ - Porsche 959 Coupe - £160 - £180K - 1988 car
http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19286/lot/439/ - Ford RS200 1986 car - £70K - £100K
These are all Iconic amazing machines and a true petrol head, enthusiast and lover of such machines would invest if they had the cash...
300bhp/ton said:
jellison said:
t might be good with the Tiddle V6 pulled out and an LS and box popped in the right way round.
Joking - I'm sure it is a nice toy, but I'd want alot more performancefor the outlay. Mind the chap that bought it new realised that the only way to get it moving was to drop in a final drive 2 steps lower than std (probably goes pretty well like thta but will have lost a good bit off the top end (but then top speed is largely just for bragging rights)).
It's not exactly a slow car though. All this HP talk is somewhat foolish tbh.Joking - I'm sure it is a nice toy, but I'd want alot more performancefor the outlay. Mind the chap that bought it new realised that the only way to get it moving was to drop in a final drive 2 steps lower than std (probably goes pretty well like thta but will have lost a good bit off the top end (but then top speed is largely just for bragging rights)).
A £65k E-Type won't set the world on fire either, but that's hardly the reason you buy one.
E-types are ok - but if are are gonna spend 65 on std top notch one, you'd be better to spend a bit more than double on a proper LW E (mate has one for sale if interested
).I'll get my coat
It's a tough one to call. +/-
+ The history and heritage of the car is special
+ It looks quite cool i suppose
+ Very rare to see any NSX, but you'd need to be an JDMmonkey to know the difference between a 10k NSX and the R
- It's 45k!!!! For a Honda, It's like 60k for a Nissan, that would hurt my soul for all eternity! Although at least the Nissan (GT-R) merits the cost in performance
- It's a crap colour
- The ph2 is nicer looking (Personal view)
AliV6 said:
It's a tough one to call. +/-
+ The history and heritage of the car is special
+ It looks quite cool i suppose
+ Very rare to see any NSX, but you'd need to be an JDMmonkey to know the difference between a 10k NSX and the R
- It's 45k!!!! For a Honda, It's like 60k for a Nissan, that would hurt my soul for all eternity! Although at least the Nissan (GT-R) merits the cost in performance
- It's a crap colour
- The ph2 is nicer looking (Personal view)
Until you have driven an NSX-R you can not appreciate the true feel, grip, handling and performance of a car, its not about the 0-60, the top speed, the bhp figures, its about power delivery to the track / road, about being able to drive the car on the limit and know that you are at your limit and the car has more to go. With a GTR its not something you can compare, thats got nothign but electronic aids and computers doing all the work.+ The history and heritage of the car is special
+ It looks quite cool i suppose
+ Very rare to see any NSX, but you'd need to be an JDMmonkey to know the difference between a 10k NSX and the R
- It's 45k!!!! For a Honda, It's like 60k for a Nissan, that would hurt my soul for all eternity! Although at least the Nissan (GT-R) merits the cost in performance
- It's a crap colour
- The ph2 is nicer looking (Personal view)
Dont get me wrogn the GTR is an amazing peice of technology BUT its heavy and uninvolving compared IMO, for example how many people can do say 20 laps of brands in a GTR and improve on their times dramatically? I guarantee not as many as who could in say an NSX-R as the cars more driver reliant and focussed so to be on the limit you need to be in full control and be making sure you are driving correctly getting perfect lines in order to keep the power on and in the vtec power band.
Same as with the DC2 I had, my EVO 6 and R33 GTR's were easy to drive fast round brands, BUT taking the DC2 on to the track meant another level of driving where you have to adjust and be more skilled in order to be fast as you cant rely on lots of torque and power to get you good times...
Anyone can drive a fast car but not anyone can drive a car fast as I say
The colour in the flesh I will say looks a lot nicer than the pics - they dont do it justice mate
The NSX-R NA2 (phase 2) yeah looks epic, but you'd be looking at about 120K+ for one BEFORE shipping to the UK if you can locate one in Japan for sale
Edited by carl hammond on Thursday 30th June 16:00
You make some valid points.
Few people have ever or will ever get the opportunity to drive the NSX-R so we are all hypothesizing about how good it really is! There’s the age old argument about rawness Vs age, in that anything modern just isn’t as involving to drive. I personally disagree with this, as you only need to look at the current Lotus, Renaultsport, BMW range to find out they are astonishing both on the road and on the track.
The NSX was ahead of it’s time when it was released, set the benchmark, but it didn’t sell…For me, it resonates as a failure, but for the fan’s an exclusive club…
Few people have ever or will ever get the opportunity to drive the NSX-R so we are all hypothesizing about how good it really is! There’s the age old argument about rawness Vs age, in that anything modern just isn’t as involving to drive. I personally disagree with this, as you only need to look at the current Lotus, Renaultsport, BMW range to find out they are astonishing both on the road and on the track.
The NSX was ahead of it’s time when it was released, set the benchmark, but it didn’t sell…For me, it resonates as a failure, but for the fan’s an exclusive club…
I'm not sure why this debate has run for so many pages, people who actually know about these cars know it's value...."I'd rather buy this...I wouldn't spend that on a Honda"...great..the cars not for you..but why don't you listen to people who actually know..anyone from the NSX community can tell you it's worth it.
Well said Carl Hammond.
It's a pity that we can't somehow give more people the experience of what good cars are like.
It's even more of a pity that so many, who have never had that chance to learn, think they know it all. So many see a badge, & believe most of the garbage sold under that badge is great, although they have no knowledge on which to base that opinion.
The worst car I ever drove was a Ferrari. Sure it was beautiful to look at, & had all the latest in fancy gear, but it was a dog. It would have killed any driver silly enough to try to keep up with the higher performance Fords & Holdens of the day.
Yes it is a bit silly to judge a book by it's cover, but it's a much bigger mistake, to be a badge snobs, & to judge a car by the badge on it's nose.
It's a pity that we can't somehow give more people the experience of what good cars are like.
It's even more of a pity that so many, who have never had that chance to learn, think they know it all. So many see a badge, & believe most of the garbage sold under that badge is great, although they have no knowledge on which to base that opinion.
The worst car I ever drove was a Ferrari. Sure it was beautiful to look at, & had all the latest in fancy gear, but it was a dog. It would have killed any driver silly enough to try to keep up with the higher performance Fords & Holdens of the day.
Yes it is a bit silly to judge a book by it's cover, but it's a much bigger mistake, to be a badge snobs, & to judge a car by the badge on it's nose.
AliV6 said:
There’s the age old argument about rawness Vs age, in that anything modern just isn’t as involving to drive. I personally disagree with this, as you only need to look at the current Lotus, Renaultsport, BMW range to find out they are astonishing both on the road and on the track.
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