RE: TVR: Back in business (there's even a website)
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
They aren't any bigger than similar cars though:
But the Evora and 911 are 2+2| Length | Width | Height | Weight | |
| C6 Vette | 174.6" | 72.6" | 49.1" | 1470kg |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 997 Turbo 911 | 175.6 | 72.9 | 51.2" | 1570kg |
| Cayman S | 170.9" | 70.9 | 51.4" | 1415kg |
| Evora S | 170.9" | 72.8" | 48.1" | 1437kg |
As said the Griff is smaller but look at an MX5 and the aftermarket stick LS engines in them !
cookie1600 said:
Excuse my ignorance here. What is the difference between going directly to TVR Power or through this supposedly reborn version of TVR Cars (other than I am more likely to see a car and/or my money again with the TVR Power direct option?)
......................Why not just get a decent car to start with ?.....................A Porsche turbo or lesser Ferrari should fit the bill.
What a shame, used to love the British built TVR's despite some of the reliability issues and the fact that each time you drove it it tried to kill you.
Just a shame the company didn't fit BMW M engines instead as this would have eradicated a lot of the reliability issues. I suppose it all comes down to the £££cost of these units and TVR maximising how much profit they can squeeze out of those deluded people who will actually buy one under the current regime.
Just a shame the company didn't fit BMW M engines instead as this would have eradicated a lot of the reliability issues. I suppose it all comes down to the £££cost of these units and TVR maximising how much profit they can squeeze out of those deluded people who will actually buy one under the current regime.
cookie1600 said:
Excuse my ignorance here. What is the difference between going directly to TVR Power or through this supposedly reborn version of TVR Cars (other than I am more likely to see a car and/or my money again with the TVR Power direct option?)
I suspect nothing seeing as the ability to do this work is carried out under license so the rights owner will take his fee regardless.Until more information comes to light on the exact product and pricing I'm still thinking that the smart more to restore a TVR to nearly new is to take it to someone like Surface and Design in the old TVR factory or to Steve Heath or Topcats if you want an LS engine. The only thing missing would be the new style badge and an extra layer of fees?
jellison said:
For the love of Christ!!!!
Who cares - the are dead, big deal Power can pops LS in newish / old cars! Big deal, you get all this in their regular mails - this ain't TVR back in business.
Time has moved on. Way better dead like most UK make. Get over it...............
We have, Jon. Sadly Nicolai Smolenski hasn't. Who cares - the are dead, big deal Power can pops LS in newish / old cars! Big deal, you get all this in their regular mails - this ain't TVR back in business.
Time has moved on. Way better dead like most UK make. Get over it...............
ninos said:
Just a shame the company didn't fit BMW M engines instead as this would have eradicated a lot of the reliability issues. I suppose it all comes down to the £££cost of these units ...
In a few words you have summarised:- you never once met Peter Wheeler
- you never once met or talked to [ia]anyone[/i] of influence within TVR
- you've never read any serious article written by/about any of the above
Digga said:
ninos said:
Just a shame the company didn't fit BMW M engines instead as this would have eradicated a lot of the reliability issues. I suppose it all comes down to the £££cost of these units ...
In a few words you have summarised:- you never once met Peter Wheeler
- you never once met or talked to [ia]anyone[/i] of influence within TVR
- you've never read any serious article written by/about any of the above
- like most people, you are also blind for the reliability issues BMW might have, and believe me, they do. Nothing is unbreakable, and M engines certainly don't top the list.
71tuscan said:
Digga said:
ninos said:
Just a shame the company didn't fit BMW M engines instead as this would have eradicated a lot of the reliability issues. I suppose it all comes down to the £££cost of these units ...
In a few words you have summarised:- you never once met Peter Wheeler
- you never once met or talked to [ia]anyone[/i] of influence within TVR
- you've never read any serious article written by/about any of the above
- like most people, you are also blind for the reliability issues BMW might have, and believe me, they do. Nothing is unbreakable, and M engines certainly don't top the list.
I'm sure TVR's owners will say differently but my uncle owned a Sagaris for 2 years as a weekend car. Unfortunately the only thing he did with it at the weekend was fix the constant issues with fueling, electrics, overheating, siezed callipers etc but I guess he bought a Friday car eh???
ninos said:
I'm sure TVR's owners will say differently but my uncle owned a Sagaris for 2 years as a weekend car. Unfortunately the only thing he did with it at the weekend was fix the constant issues with fueling, electrics, overheating, siezed callipers etc but I guess he bought a Friday car eh???
Doesn't sound like he drove it enough if he had seized callipers. And if he had "constant issues" then clearly either he or whoever he was paying to sort them out was incompetent, as issues like that tend to get fixed and stay fixed. I've owned my Sagaris for over 3 years and have put 21,000 miles on it in that time and I haven't suffered from any of the issues you catalogue. The BMW Nikasil issues and VANOS are well documented and understood. BMW are certainly not as reliable as you seem to think.
But you clearly have an extremely blinkered view of TVR so it's no surprise you have an equally blinkered view of BMW.
ninos said:
MMM, strange that I have seen more TVR's at the side of the road with the bonnet up than BMW's
It's far more likely that you've driven past umpteen BMWs by the side of the road and just not noticed them. TVRs are so rare that you would definitely notice one.For me TVR died when the the Blackpool factory closed.
They can re-launch TVR however they like - new badge, same shaped cars, better quality (whatever) but they will never capture the spirit and passion that used to be what made these cars desirable.
Passion sold these cars, nothing else mattered.
Austria will never get close to this.
They can re-launch TVR however they like - new badge, same shaped cars, better quality (whatever) but they will never capture the spirit and passion that used to be what made these cars desirable.
Passion sold these cars, nothing else mattered.
Austria will never get close to this.
redgriff500 said:
300bhp/ton said:
They aren't any bigger than similar cars though:
But the Evora and 911 are 2+2| Length | Width | Height | Weight | |
| C6 Vette | 174.6" | 72.6" | 49.1" | 1470kg |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 997 Turbo 911 | 175.6 | 72.9 | 51.2" | 1570kg |
| Cayman S | 170.9" | 70.9 | 51.4" | 1415kg |
| Evora S | 170.9" | 72.8" | 48.1" | 1437kg |
As said the Griff is smaller but look at an MX5 and the aftermarket stick LS engines in them !
You really call 911 and Evora 2+2? If you really want to use those so called 2+2 to make a point, then shall we also compare the boots space? Sure C6 doesn't have two tiny useless seats behind. But it's extra boot's space is probably bigger than those seats.
Comparing Griff to C6 is a bit like compare a Westfield V8 to Griff...
julianc said:
'TVR Gmbh'. PW will be turning in his grave.
Different year, same old s
t. Pathetic.
He shouldn't have asset stripped the firm, refused to invest in modern tech, failed to reduce the size of the workforce, cut corners on his in-house engine, focussed more on quality control and then sold it to a 12 year old when all his chickens came home to roost. Different year, same old s
t. Pathetic.
DonkeyApple said:
He shouldn't have asset stripped the firm, refused to invest in modern tech, failed to reduce the size of the workforce, cut corners on his in-house engine, focussed more on quality control and then sold it to a 12 year old when all his chickens came home to roost.
Harsh but sadly I agree with most of that 
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