RE: PDK-only for next Porsche 911 GT3?
Discussion
Is it fair to assume that most people on here have not driven a pdk 991? I had a 997.1 for 7 years (manual) and drove a 991 c2s in Jan... pdk was really really good. Faster, more efficient, blipped on down changes, allowed much more concentration on bumpy b roads. I have been a big fan of manual boxes, bought a 1m a few months ago, but don't knock it 'til you've tried it.
Again many posters getting performance confused with driving pleasure.
Still on a positive not maybe it will slow the depreciation on my GT3 :-)
I have had the best of Double Clutch gearboxes, (Gtr R35) and but my experience with the GT3 although slightly slower (till the g/box on the R35 overheats) is much more exciting than pulling a paddle and you get your next gear if the computers allow!
Still on a positive not maybe it will slow the depreciation on my GT3 :-)
I have had the best of Double Clutch gearboxes, (Gtr R35) and but my experience with the GT3 although slightly slower (till the g/box on the R35 overheats) is much more exciting than pulling a paddle and you get your next gear if the computers allow!
Atomas said:
If the GT3 is supposed to be a hardcore, track focused weapon, why shouldn't a faster, more efficient PDK transmission be on the only available option?
Because its s
te ! ;pIts always been seen that a manual, while slower demands more skl from the driver than pdk. As such, people who want the drive to be actually challenging preffer a manual.
I like a manual because its taken a few years to leanr heel&toe and its nice to make a smooth quick shift using skill while still concentrating on your line and the cars ballance, rather than having the shift done for you.
Also I believe that the box on the next gt will be the pdk box but in manual form. Only time will tell if this is a true manual. If they do go pdk they will still sell them, but us oldsters (44 !) will mourn its passing.
Though it makes sense, BMW tried it with the E60 M5 and failed in the US market. In the end it listened to its biggest market's demand and had to bring in the manual back.
I personally like the "PDK only" idea as well since I think it would help with the values of earlier "so called the last manual" cars.
I personally like the "PDK only" idea as well since I think it would help with the values of earlier "so called the last manual" cars.
Talking as someone who prefers the analogue over the digital experience I think its a shame to only offer the PDK if this does in fact become the reality. The GT3 concept has however become progressively more techie after the 996 ceased production so it is not really a surprise and as ever I am sure there is a big target market ready and waiting to lap it up. no pun intended.
I wonder what impact this will have on the popularity of the earlier versions of the breed???
I wonder what impact this will have on the popularity of the earlier versions of the breed???
Doubtful I'd ever be in a position to buy one but I just dislike the idea of these things. Maybe I'm old fashioned but it just doesn't seem "organic" (Yes strange adjective use).
I find it odd though why companies produce these cars with these similar gearboxes in the more hardcore models which recently seem to get forgotten about. Yet when they make a bit more of a purist mobile - engine, wheels, seat and manual box - the model generally gets held in sky high esteem and often remembered far more by the enthusiasts.
I find it odd though why companies produce these cars with these similar gearboxes in the more hardcore models which recently seem to get forgotten about. Yet when they make a bit more of a purist mobile - engine, wheels, seat and manual box - the model generally gets held in sky high esteem and often remembered far more by the enthusiasts.
I think the 911 has gone soft over the years, particularly when they went watercooled. The 996 GT3 to me was replaced by the 997 GT3RS, and therefore the 997 GT3 IMO was more an expression of what Porsche would want the 911 to be if it wasn't for the needs of precious blondes in Beverly hills.
PDK only for GT3? Why not?
PDK on for GT3RS? No f-ing way!
PDK only for GT3? Why not?
PDK on for GT3RS? No f-ing way!
GT, GT3 or RS are supposedly more track focused weapons. In a 911 race car there is only one thing better than a manual box and that is a sequential box. A key to help chase a lap time or a tool to do a job. As a fun road car / track day 911 for me part of the whole experience is changing gear. Up shift just before clipping the rev limiter, heel and toe on down shifts. Avoiding 5th to 2nd especially when trail braking into a corner when you have g force miss guiding your hand to a possible 2nd and not 4th. It's all part of honing your skill.
For me the whole 911 experience that got me engaged in the first place was old school. Far from easy to drive fast but that became the whole point of the exercise. For a daily driver and M25 traffic jambs, sure I'd take PDK. For enjoyment and satisfaction I want a manual gearbox.
I thought very long and hard about 3 years ago as to what I wanted from my next 911 to be. Money was not the key issue or investment. I bought a 3.2 Carrera Super Sport that I stripped into a road legal race car. My reasoning. I wanted something that I could have fun in at sensible speed. I adore the turbo body. It has no electronic aids, no abs, power steering, adjustable arb's, non adjustable dampers, no electronic aids other than an ecu that controls the fuel injection. Just man and machine. If I f'it up I can't blame a computer glitch. It's all down to me and that is for me what made the 911 the greatest drivers car of all time.
For me the whole 911 experience that got me engaged in the first place was old school. Far from easy to drive fast but that became the whole point of the exercise. For a daily driver and M25 traffic jambs, sure I'd take PDK. For enjoyment and satisfaction I want a manual gearbox.
I thought very long and hard about 3 years ago as to what I wanted from my next 911 to be. Money was not the key issue or investment. I bought a 3.2 Carrera Super Sport that I stripped into a road legal race car. My reasoning. I wanted something that I could have fun in at sensible speed. I adore the turbo body. It has no electronic aids, no abs, power steering, adjustable arb's, non adjustable dampers, no electronic aids other than an ecu that controls the fuel injection. Just man and machine. If I f'it up I can't blame a computer glitch. It's all down to me and that is for me what made the 911 the greatest drivers car of all time.
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