RE: Jaguar F-Type V6 S: Driven
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That's stereotyping.
Agoogy said:
CAllum said:
...built almost entirely of aluminium, but with a composite boot deck and front splitter and some magnesium sections in the front headlamp carriers and cross-car beam. That makes it light. The body alone is 35kg lighter than Jaguar's target figure. The weight of the whole car starts at less than 1,600kg for the entry-level V6.
Where does the huge weight penalty come from then?When we showed the car at the Indy Auto show in January a common response was how INexpensive the car was. I also had several buyers who had planned to buy 911's who changed their minds and decided to wait once they saw the F-Type.
I don't think it's expensive at all. A base 911 Cab is more expensive here than the V8S, it's slower and way less attractive. As for Aston, you can pay 50% more for a car designed (a long time ago) by the same people with less power or you can trouser the money and buy the brand new F Type.
I don't think it's expensive at all. A base 911 Cab is more expensive here than the V8S, it's slower and way less attractive. As for Aston, you can pay 50% more for a car designed (a long time ago) by the same people with less power or you can trouser the money and buy the brand new F Type.
dasherdiablo1 said:
Way way way overpriced. It's nice but not for that kind of money. A boxster s makes a much better proposition- the jag would need to be an awesome drive to match the look- I'm guessing though it will form over substance
Porsches are not good looking cars imo. As they are always derived designs, they can never look fresh. The Jag just blows away Porsche in terms of looks, and is as fresh as they come. Well I have been playing around with the configurator and I don't think the car is overpriced.
It seems fairly priced to me. A well specced V8 comes in at the mid 80's. Considering it has much more performance than the equivalent Porsche, this seems fair.
I simply do not understand comparisons with the Boxster. This is'nt the same kind of car at all.
It seems fairly priced to me. A well specced V8 comes in at the mid 80's. Considering it has much more performance than the equivalent Porsche, this seems fair.
I simply do not understand comparisons with the Boxster. This is'nt the same kind of car at all.
toppstuff said:
Well I have been playing around with the configurator and I don't think the car is overpriced.
It seems fairly priced to me. A well specced V8 comes in at the mid 80's. Considering it has much more performance than the equivalent Porsche, this seems fair.
I simply do not understand comparisons with the Boxster. This is'nt the same kind of car at all.
+1It seems fairly priced to me. A well specced V8 comes in at the mid 80's. Considering it has much more performance than the equivalent Porsche, this seems fair.
I simply do not understand comparisons with the Boxster. This is'nt the same kind of car at all.
Don't really understand why everyone's comparing it to the much smaller Boxter, rather than the slower and more expensive 911 or the Aston.
anonymous said:
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Nah, I dont buy that narrative.JLR have a given manufacturing capacity. Maybe they are betting that they can sell the numbers they want to at the £60-100k level and so optimise their ROI. After all, why operate at optimum capacity selling a £40k motor when you can do the same selling a £75k motor?
The performance the car offers gives it a definite head above the Boxster. The average punter trying the Jaguar is certain to notice the extra power it offers. I guess enough punters will figure it is worth the extra cash.
And the car does not have competition at this price band, with a 911, Aston etc, all costing more.
I simply don't see the point in Jaguar competing with sports cars at the £35k level. They don't have infinite manufacturing capability. Better to sell what they can make at a decent price IMO.
anonymous said:
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They're not though. A V8S will have an MSRP of $92,895 plus tax, under $70k for a V6. Most of our XK customers buy rather than lease and many Jaguar customers are cheque strokers. We were fortunate enough to have a car here for the best part of a month over the Christmas period and the reaction to it was universally positive. I expect it to be yet another winner for JLR and I personally want one very badly. Unfortunately employee special pricing on this one is likely to be quite a while coming........
toppstuff said:
JLR have a given manufacturing capacity. Maybe they are betting that they can sell the numbers they want to at the £60-100k level and so optimise their ROI. After all, why operate at optimum capacity selling a £40k motor when you can do the same selling a £75k motor?
And most patriotic UK folk will hope that "bet" is successful for JLR.The worry is that if the bet fails, and JLR end up heavily discounting the cars after the initial novelty value wears off, residual values will be hammered and the early adopters will feel like mugs.
excel monkey said:
toppstuff said:
JLR have a given manufacturing capacity. Maybe they are betting that they can sell the numbers they want to at the £60-100k level and so optimise their ROI. After all, why operate at optimum capacity selling a £40k motor when you can do the same selling a £75k motor?
And most patriotic UK folk will hope that "bet" is successful for JLR.The worry is that if the bet fails, and JLR end up heavily discounting the cars after the initial novelty value wears off, residual values will be hammered and the early adopters will feel like mugs.
It's not just a Jaguar thing.
And if we cared about this, we simply would not buy sports cars. None of them are safe investments, not even 458's, these days.
excel monkey said:
And most patriotic UK folk will hope that "bet" is successful for JLR.
The worry is that if the bet fails, and JLR end up heavily discounting the cars after the initial novelty value wears off, residual values will be hammered and the early adopters will feel like mugs.
Why should you feel like a mug - you buy it because you want a great car. If we all waited until the prices dropped there would be no new cars.The worry is that if the bet fails, and JLR end up heavily discounting the cars after the initial novelty value wears off, residual values will be hammered and the early adopters will feel like mugs.
anonymous said:
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I really don't understand why your constantly make reference to the Boxster as the 'only' comparator? Yes the Boxster is fab but not every 2 seater sports car needs to be priced according to its cost. Yes it's priced close to XK but they are utterly different cars serving different markets. The XK will continue to sell as F Type will be too hard for some. This is a full on sports car, XK is GT. They are not competitors.
The other point that we all need to realise is that this is a halo product, not a volume one. I'm guessing the finance bods have done the numbers and worked out the best pricing policy based on the relatively small market this car caters for. Any car needs to make a margin and the pricing policy vs. predicted quantity sold will reflect this.
Regards,
My CC.
RoadToNowhere said:
I saw one on the M40 yesterday, heading back to Cov - it was the Orange one with black wheels.
It looked absolutely stunning. I wasn't blown away by the press photos, but in the metal it looks amazingly well proportioned.
I need one...
Ahhh - that'll be this one then. I had a play in it last night. EVERYTHING you read about these are true, the Boxster is no comparison, no comparison at all. HOWEVER - the boot is tiny. It would have to be the coupe for me, on that basis alone.It looked absolutely stunning. I wasn't blown away by the press photos, but in the metal it looks amazingly well proportioned.
I need one...
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