£490 road tax, does it put you off?
Discussion
Funkycoldribena said:
Pistom said:
You should also pay more if you haven't got a garage or at least park off road. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to allow people to own a car when they can't even afford a house with a garage.
I realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
Wish they taxed people for talking bI realise that's impractical so maybe have an overnight parking tax that is payable if you don't have access to garage parking most of the time.
ks...It doesn't put me off, no, I view it as just another running cost. I drive the cars I want to drive, and only if the running costs are truly excessive does it put me off.
There is one thing though, and that's the way the system works - it's unfair and stupid. 'Road tax' used to be a tax for using the roads; it's now called Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), and it's a levy on emissions - however both are 'per mile' taxes, but aren't actually charged per mile, they're charged relative to the emissions potential of the vehicle, regardless of how much pollutant it actually emits per year. That's utterly stupid - they should add the tax to fuel and then it'd be fair and per mile. Why should an old lady doing 500 miles a year with her late husband's 540i, or perhaps me with my 2-Eleven doing about 2000 miles a year, pay more VED than a salesman doing 30k miles a year in a Prius? That salesman pumps out vastly more emissions than I do in my 2-Eleven in a year, and even if you view it as a 'road tax' he uses the roads far more than I do, but he pays almost no VED and I pay loads. It's an utter nonsense and one of the reasons I take no interest in politics - it's all so stupid.
There is one thing though, and that's the way the system works - it's unfair and stupid. 'Road tax' used to be a tax for using the roads; it's now called Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), and it's a levy on emissions - however both are 'per mile' taxes, but aren't actually charged per mile, they're charged relative to the emissions potential of the vehicle, regardless of how much pollutant it actually emits per year. That's utterly stupid - they should add the tax to fuel and then it'd be fair and per mile. Why should an old lady doing 500 miles a year with her late husband's 540i, or perhaps me with my 2-Eleven doing about 2000 miles a year, pay more VED than a salesman doing 30k miles a year in a Prius? That salesman pumps out vastly more emissions than I do in my 2-Eleven in a year, and even if you view it as a 'road tax' he uses the roads far more than I do, but he pays almost no VED and I pay loads. It's an utter nonsense and one of the reasons I take no interest in politics - it's all so stupid.
RobM77 said:
It doesn't put me off, no, I view it as just another running cost. I drive the cars I want to drive, and only if the running costs are truly excessive does it put me off.
There is one thing though, and that's the way the system works - it's unfair and stupid. 'Road tax' used to be a tax for using the roads; it's now called Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), and it's a levy on emissions - however both are 'per mile' taxes, but aren't actually charged per mile, they're charged relative to the emissions potential of the vehicle, regardless of how much pollutant it actually emits per year. That's utterly stupid - they should add the tax to fuel and then it'd be fair and per mile. Why should an old lady doing 500 miles a year with her late husband's 540i, or perhaps me with my 2-Eleven doing about 2000 miles a year, pay more VED than a salesman doing 30k miles a year in a Prius? That salesman pumps out vastly more emissions than I do in my 2-Eleven in a year, and even if you view it as a 'road tax' he uses the roads far more than I do, but he pays almost no VED and I pay loads. It's an utter nonsense and one of the reasons I take no interest in politics - it's all so stupid.
I agree. I don't have a problem with VED being based on pollution as such. It's the fact that it's based on pollution per KM and then charged annually that's so insane.There is one thing though, and that's the way the system works - it's unfair and stupid. 'Road tax' used to be a tax for using the roads; it's now called Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), and it's a levy on emissions - however both are 'per mile' taxes, but aren't actually charged per mile, they're charged relative to the emissions potential of the vehicle, regardless of how much pollutant it actually emits per year. That's utterly stupid - they should add the tax to fuel and then it'd be fair and per mile. Why should an old lady doing 500 miles a year with her late husband's 540i, or perhaps me with my 2-Eleven doing about 2000 miles a year, pay more VED than a salesman doing 30k miles a year in a Prius? That salesman pumps out vastly more emissions than I do in my 2-Eleven in a year, and even if you view it as a 'road tax' he uses the roads far more than I do, but he pays almost no VED and I pay loads. It's an utter nonsense and one of the reasons I take no interest in politics - it's all so stupid.
Can you believe that I used to have to buy a parking permit based on CO2 per KM? For parking! You know, the time when the engine isn't actually running?
If it wasn't actually true, it would seem like some kind of joke.
Mr Gear said:
RobM77 said:
It doesn't put me off, no, I view it as just another running cost. I drive the cars I want to drive, and only if the running costs are truly excessive does it put me off.
There is one thing though, and that's the way the system works - it's unfair and stupid. 'Road tax' used to be a tax for using the roads; it's now called Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), and it's a levy on emissions - however both are 'per mile' taxes, but aren't actually charged per mile, they're charged relative to the emissions potential of the vehicle, regardless of how much pollutant it actually emits per year. That's utterly stupid - they should add the tax to fuel and then it'd be fair and per mile. Why should an old lady doing 500 miles a year with her late husband's 540i, or perhaps me with my 2-Eleven doing about 2000 miles a year, pay more VED than a salesman doing 30k miles a year in a Prius? That salesman pumps out vastly more emissions than I do in my 2-Eleven in a year, and even if you view it as a 'road tax' he uses the roads far more than I do, but he pays almost no VED and I pay loads. It's an utter nonsense and one of the reasons I take no interest in politics - it's all so stupid.
I agree. I don't have a problem with VED being based on pollution as such. It's the fact that it's based on pollution per KM and then charged annually that's so insane.There is one thing though, and that's the way the system works - it's unfair and stupid. 'Road tax' used to be a tax for using the roads; it's now called Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), and it's a levy on emissions - however both are 'per mile' taxes, but aren't actually charged per mile, they're charged relative to the emissions potential of the vehicle, regardless of how much pollutant it actually emits per year. That's utterly stupid - they should add the tax to fuel and then it'd be fair and per mile. Why should an old lady doing 500 miles a year with her late husband's 540i, or perhaps me with my 2-Eleven doing about 2000 miles a year, pay more VED than a salesman doing 30k miles a year in a Prius? That salesman pumps out vastly more emissions than I do in my 2-Eleven in a year, and even if you view it as a 'road tax' he uses the roads far more than I do, but he pays almost no VED and I pay loads. It's an utter nonsense and one of the reasons I take no interest in politics - it's all so stupid.
Can you believe that I used to have to buy a parking permit based on CO2 per KM? For parking! You know, the time when the engine isn't actually running?
If it wasn't actually true, it would seem like some kind of joke.
You've put it better and more succinctly than me, but yes, it's ridiculous isn't it? We're being charged on the potential of our vehicles to emit C02, not the actual amount they admit, when to do the latter is actually easier and would save millions of pounds in admin each year (especially now VED tax discs are being phased out)!!LaurasOtherHalf said:
Let's get one thing sorted, I've called it road tax but then so do the government so let's just leave it at that, ok? 
let's not actually.Perpetuating a lazy misconception with a lazy statement just feels a bit, well, lazy.
As you've been asked several times, and have ignored - where do they call it road tax?
billywhizzzzzz said:
As you've been asked several times, and have ignored - where do they call it road tax?
Half-way down the page, in red outline. HTH http://ipayroadtax.com/
Put me off when I was buying my 6 series, buying on mileage and condition rather than the number plate I didn't see the point in paying an extra 200/yr for the 06 plate.
I guess it was more prominent for me as my budget meant I was looking at cars from 04-06 and it was and additional cost I chose not to take.
I knew what car I wanted though, I was buying a 6 series and nothing else - I wasn't using it as a decision factor as to whether to buy a 206 or amg 6.3
There is a similar train of thought with classics, I used to dabble in them a few years back and some people would pay a premium to have a 72 tax free car over a late 73 car that was liable for tax - sometimes the premium would equate to 4/5 yrs tax but it's physiological - it feels like you are greeting your own back on the tax system, no matter how small or insignificant it may be
I guess it was more prominent for me as my budget meant I was looking at cars from 04-06 and it was and additional cost I chose not to take.
I knew what car I wanted though, I was buying a 6 series and nothing else - I wasn't using it as a decision factor as to whether to buy a 206 or amg 6.3
There is a similar train of thought with classics, I used to dabble in them a few years back and some people would pay a premium to have a 72 tax free car over a late 73 car that was liable for tax - sometimes the premium would equate to 4/5 yrs tax but it's physiological - it feels like you are greeting your own back on the tax system, no matter how small or insignificant it may be
bungle said:
billywhizzzzzz said:
As you've been asked several times, and have ignored - where do they call it road tax?
Half-way down the page, in red outline. HTH http://ipayroadtax.com/
billywhizzzzzz said:
bungle said:
billywhizzzzzz said:
As you've been asked several times, and have ignored - where do they call it road tax?
Half-way down the page, in red outline. HTH http://ipayroadtax.com/
bungle said:
billywhizzzzzz said:
As you've been asked several times, and have ignored - where do they call it road tax?
Half-way down the page, in red outline. HTH http://ipayroadtax.com/
Back to the original question: does £490 road tax put me if? No, it doesn't because I pay £30 a year for all three of my other cars combined
https://www.gov.uk/rules-drivers-motorcyclists-89-...
gov.uk said:
...you MUST declare SORN - it is an offence not to do so. You then won’t have to pay any road tax for that vehicle for a period of 12 months...
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/sectors/motors/selling-cars.htmhmrc.gov.uk said:
If you pre-register a vehicle in your own name you can't treat the road tax and the first registration fee as 'disbursements' when you sell the vehicle.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylum/rights/thelaw/ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk said:
...paid the road tax and have a current, valid certificate of this (known as a tax disc)
I'm not sure what calling it road tax would entail. These are obviously just referring to it by the wrong name.Not at all.
When I bought my MPS I was fully aware I was gonna get knacked for tax.
But I was getting a car that was exactly what I wanted 4 years old for £7k that was £23k new so I just worked on the basis that the car was costing me £8k as Id probably have it 5 years and would be paying about an extra £200 a year than on some other car.
I also run a van for business and thats about £150 a year so I man math it my adding the 2 together and deviding by 2 to make the car appear cheaper
I very much agree with some of the foregoing posts about being taxed on potential emissions rather than what you actually produce, its crazy
When I bought my MPS I was fully aware I was gonna get knacked for tax.
But I was getting a car that was exactly what I wanted 4 years old for £7k that was £23k new so I just worked on the basis that the car was costing me £8k as Id probably have it 5 years and would be paying about an extra £200 a year than on some other car.
I also run a van for business and thats about £150 a year so I man math it my adding the 2 together and deviding by 2 to make the car appear cheaper
I very much agree with some of the foregoing posts about being taxed on potential emissions rather than what you actually produce, its crazy
So buying a car and swallowing 16 grand deprecitiation in 4 years is ok ?
Let me let you into a little secret, 4 years later its still the same car, saying its ok to pay heavy rfl when your also taking on £4k a year depreciation is ok but when the price has bottomed out and your covering arond £500 a year depreciation is f
king ludicrous.Give your head a shake
henrycrun said:
UK seems good value compared with Ireland. http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/...
It's all been enginereed to force people into buying new cars with slightly cheaper RFL, as the government here also have a "Vehicle Registration Tax" of up to 36% of the new car costThe petrolhead is rapidly being killed off here in Ireland
Buggerlugz said:
So buying a car and swallowing 16 grand deprecitiation in 4 years is ok ?
Let me let you into a little secret, 4 years later its still the same car, saying its ok to pay heavy rfl when your also taking on £4k a year depreciation is ok but when the price has bottomed out and your covering arond £500 a year depreciation is fking ludicrous.
Give your head a shake
This really depends on how much money you earn. Can you imagine Luis Suárez going out and buying a second hand car? Just because you don't do it, doesn't mean that others shouldn't... and btw, that four year old car you buy. Someone else had to buy it first!Let me let you into a little secret, 4 years later its still the same car, saying its ok to pay heavy rfl when your also taking on £4k a year depreciation is ok but when the price has bottomed out and your covering arond £500 a year depreciation is f
king ludicrous.Give your head a shake
HTH
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