HGV vs caravan smash on the M6
Discussion
Studio117 said:
AndyLB said:
Another one for shared liability here.
We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
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No, completely wrong.We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
By blocking people and playing petty games you then become part of the problem.
Devil2575 said:
Studio117 said:
AndyLB said:
Another one for shared liability here.
We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
No, completely wrong.We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
By blocking people and playing petty games you then become part of the problem.
DervVW said:
Well lets all drive in the wrong lane and ignore the signs, you can always move over at the last min - someone will let you in....
I'd much rather let someone in that have an accident. There will always be idiots who don't follow the rules, on the road, it's just easier to let them get on their way.5 seconds of my time to leave someone in or months of insurance hell? I know which I'd pick.
I was driving last weekend and came to a long sweeping bend where someone was overtaking 4 cars. Clearly a ridiculous thing to do, but what should I have done? Stopped the car as I did to allow him back or, or just plough straight into him? It's the same logic.
DervVW said:
Devil2575 said:
Studio117 said:
AndyLB said:
Another one for shared liability here.
We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
No, completely wrong.We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
By blocking people and playing petty games you then become part of the problem.
M4 jcn 34 to 33.
But this junction of the topic had the time to get in or go on.
chanmenie said:
Devil2575 said:
Indeed, gap closing is a stupid game to play.
And so is being an inconsiderate tosser and trying to push in at the last minute EDIT: Whoops forgot the
chanmenie said:
Devil2575 said:
Indeed, gap closing is a stupid game to play.
And so is being an inconsiderate tosser and trying to push in at the last minute The issue is though that drivers are always going to make mistakes or just be bloody minded and try to push in. How you respond to that says a lot about your mentality behind the wheel. I personally think that the better driver does everthing they reasonably can to avoid a collision and if that means occasionally yeilding to someone trying to cut in then so be it.
Devil2575 said:
Indeed it is.
The issue is though that drivers are always going to make mistakes or just be bloody minded and try to push in. How you respond to that says a lot about your mentality behind the wheel. I personally think that the better driver does everthing they reasonably can to avoid a collision and if that means occasionally yeilding to someone trying to cut in then so be it.
I think most agree the HGV driver is a tosser and the correct and reasonable thing to do would be to gently slow and make some space. Once the HGV driver has made sure there is no room for the caravan the ball is squarely in the CRV drivers court. CRV driver could choose to drive to the next exit or crash, and he chose crash.The issue is though that drivers are always going to make mistakes or just be bloody minded and try to push in. How you respond to that says a lot about your mentality behind the wheel. I personally think that the better driver does everthing they reasonably can to avoid a collision and if that means occasionally yeilding to someone trying to cut in then so be it.
jmorgan said:
DervVW said:
Devil2575 said:
Studio117 said:
AndyLB said:
Another one for shared liability here.
We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
No, completely wrong.We've all been in situations where someone tries to force their way into the small gap you have left in front of your car. Many of us will have accelerated to try and prevent people doing this - especially on the motorway when in the outside lane -
snip..
By blocking people and playing petty games you then become part of the problem.
M4 jcn 34 to 33.
But this junction of the topic had the time to get in or go on.
Mr_Yogi said:
Devil2575 said:
Indeed it is.
The issue is though that drivers are always going to make mistakes or just be bloody minded and try to push in. How you respond to that says a lot about your mentality behind the wheel. I personally think that the better driver does everthing they reasonably can to avoid a collision and if that means occasionally yeilding to someone trying to cut in then so be it.
I think most agree the HGV driver is a tosser and the correct and reasonable thing to do would be to gently slow and make some space. Once the HGV driver has made sure there is no room for the caravan the ball is squarely in the CRV drivers court. CRV driver could choose to drive to the next exit or crash, and he chose crash.The issue is though that drivers are always going to make mistakes or just be bloody minded and try to push in. How you respond to that says a lot about your mentality behind the wheel. I personally think that the better driver does everthing they reasonably can to avoid a collision and if that means occasionally yeilding to someone trying to cut in then so be it.
Coupe of comments I'd make - what many of you guys don't realise is that for an hgv driver, every single m'way junction can be like that, with people trying to push you around at both the off and on slips. In fact you spend much of your time being pushed around so much, being treated badly so much, that you start to feel that you have an idea of what it must have been like to have been black back in the 1950's.
The other point, is that its people like the caravanner, and the minibus driver in front of him, changing lanes at the last secind, who grind the m'ways down to a crawl. They travel slowly in a live lane looking for a spot to push in, instead of geting in lane in good time.
Most nights i join the A38M out of brum and it's the same. There is always a queue to get onto the M6, but thanks solely to those crawling along in the outer lanes waiting for a last second push-in, the whole of the A38 is at a grind, indeed all lines are stationary further back.
I'd love to see how this pans out and how the police treat the matter.
There seems to be a date bottom left of screen which is old, but is it accurate or do we know when this occurred?
The other point, is that its people like the caravanner, and the minibus driver in front of him, changing lanes at the last secind, who grind the m'ways down to a crawl. They travel slowly in a live lane looking for a spot to push in, instead of geting in lane in good time.
Most nights i join the A38M out of brum and it's the same. There is always a queue to get onto the M6, but thanks solely to those crawling along in the outer lanes waiting for a last second push-in, the whole of the A38 is at a grind, indeed all lines are stationary further back.
I'd love to see how this pans out and how the police treat the matter.
There seems to be a date bottom left of screen which is old, but is it accurate or do we know when this occurred?
surveyor said:
It's normally 2 lanes - restricted to 1 by roadworks, Driver may have just cocked up then left struggling to get back in, before discovering a lorry driver so in the right that he drove into him and closed the motorway.
Aye, been using that road for many a year. Without the works I will wait for lane two straight on, usually find cruising through rather than braking. Toll road if heading Cov way and avoid that stretch.
at the braying idiots supporting the truck driver on FB. If it were my dash-cam footage I absolutely would not be posting that on a public forum- in fact if I was the fully fledged powerfully-built goatee-wearing MD of his employer (... a big assumption here that he is an employed pro-driver), he would no longer be in on my payroll. He could have avoided the accident, he chose not to and in doing so needlessly exposed the company to all of the recovery, repair, vehicle downtime and insurance hassle and costs involved. Yes the caravan driver was a dick, was trying to push in, is a crap driver and probably was (on the balance of probabilities) in the wrong, but the trucker being a pro (that assumption again) would see this every day and should been been prepared for and able to avoid the incident. 
Paul O said:
...50/50 for the reality of causing the accident, but 100% Hondas fault if you read it by the letter of the road rules.
This absolutely.The lorry driver was being a cock but not actually committing any offences.
OTOH, to crash where he did, caravan t
t must have driven up the central reservation, onto the chevronned area and into a gap that wasn't there.Bell-end.
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