2 young guys killed in Austrian Alps racing. Came off a clif

[anonymous-user]

Obviously I don't know the actual cause of the accident but I do wonder if brake fade could have been a contributing factor on those steep sharp bends ?

[Bonefish Blues]

Ghibli said:

Obviously I don't know the actual cause of the accident but I do wonder if brake fade could have been a contributing factor on those steep sharp bends ?

If you look at the guy's build thread his brakes were up to the job, IIRC 360mm TTS up front and 300+ at rear.

[jonwm]

It's a vary sad story, I'm an active member of both the Seat Groups he used to contribute too, the car was very well equipped for this type of adventure but at well over 300 bhp you have to be respectful on the mountain passes, so difficult for the families.

RIP

[DonkeyApple]

scenario8 said:

Yup. The squeezing of the car passing the cyclist, the squealing of tyres on the corners which had the car parking and terrible lines. On a normal road IT would have been uncomfortable viewing.

[scenario8]

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[heebeegeetee]

doogz said:

herewego said:

Any idea what you have to do to win the rally?

Finish it.

Sheath the whoosh parrot if you must, but it was a rally in this sense: http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/news-and-events/event...

It was a non-competitive touring event.

[herewego]

heebeegeetee said:

doogz said:

herewego said:

Any idea what you have to do to win the rally?

Finish it.

Sheath the whoosh parrot if you must, but it was a rally in this sense: http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/news-and-events/event...

It was a non-competitive touring event.

I asked because the organisers say:

"The following day we gather in the centre of this magnificent city to recap our epic adventure, share stories and hand out this year's awards to the winning teams of the previous challenges."

[heebeegeetee]

herewego said:

I asked because the organisers say:

"The following day we gather in the centre of this magnificent city to recap our epic adventure, share stories and hand out this year's awards to the winning teams of the previous challenges."

Right, I don't know what the challenges are, but I doubt there's anything remotely involving Motorsport. Maybe there's a daily treasure hunt or something, but I'm certain it is not possible in daylight to organise anything other than a regularity event with an average speed of well under 30 mph.

I'm certain the event is just an organised tour though.

There'll be scrutiny over the wording of the organisers editorial though, any reference to timing could see them in deep trouble.

[herewego]

heebeegeetee said:

herewego said:

I asked because the organisers say:

"The following day we gather in the centre of this magnificent city to recap our epic adventure, share stories and hand out this year's awards to the winning teams of the previous challenges."

Right, I don't know what the challenges are, but I doubt there's anything remotely involving Motorsport. Maybe there's a daily treasure hunt or something, but I'm certain it is not possible in daylight to organise anything other than a regularity event with an average speed of well under 30 mph.

I'm certain the event is just an organised tour though.

There'll be scrutiny over the wording of the organisers editorial though, any reference to timing could see them in deep trouble.

Yes it's probably a pub quiz.

[Cfnteabag]

I believe the challenges are listed on the guys Facebook page, pictures with as many people as possible, with the police etc.

That point in the video where they discuss what would happen if they crashed off the side, 100% death and really hurt made a shiver go down my spine

[anonymous-user]

http://youtu.be/8qBmVzuGyqs

I believe the accident happened at 22:15 of the above clip (not taken by them)

In the Daily Mirror article at the bottom there is a time lapse of the location. It looks like they were on the way up. I could be wrong though.

[Legacywr]

After watching the FB video, I'm pretty sure I would struggle to drive that road, or any like it!

What is the average speed limit on a road this dangerous?

[heronio]

Ghibli said:

http://youtu.be/8qBmVzuGyqs

I believe the accident happened at 22:15 of the above clip (not taken by them)

In the Daily Mirror article at the bottom there is a time lapse of the location. It looks like they were on the way up. I could be wrong though.

22:23 - compare it to the DM webcam timelapse and it's just where the pedestrians are walking past. The biker gets some serious speed up to that point.

http://www.grossglockner.at/en/service/grossglockn... original link for the webcams (very bottom footage). 24/7/15 between 7.30 and 7.40am. Archive does not show the point of impact (thankfully) but you can very clearly see the broken barriers, and then later on the police mark on the footpath with orange paint, the direction of travel of the wheels

Suspect they weren't anticipating such a tight corner.. RIP

[Welshbeef]

Watching that Facebook vid I was cringing that's WAY WAY too fast for comfort.

A stunning drive like that I'd want to be on a smooth slow drive - lots of stops to admire the views and not once would I ever be chirping the tyres. There is a very loosely "similar" road in North to mid Wales near Corwen the drop is terrifying but the views are wonderful.

Also I'm not sure brakes can keep up with hat sort of heavy braking constantly - if it were normal road speed that's fine but 100mph++ hard stops would get them near on useless discs glowing and pedal rock hard you've no chance to stop the car then.

[s m]

Welshbeef said:

Watching that Facebook vid I was cringing that's WAY WAY too fast for comfort.

A stunning drive like that I'd want to be on a smooth slow drive - lots of stops to admire the views and not once would I ever be chirping the tyres. There is a very loosely "similar" road in North to mid Wales near Corwen the drop is terrifying but the views are wonderful.

Also I'm not sure brakes can keep up with hat sort of heavy braking constantly - if it were normal road speed that's fine but 100mph++ hard stops would get them near on useless discs glowing and pedal rock hard you've no chance to stop the car then.

Do you mean the Milltir Cerrig NW of Llangynog? If so, don't watch the Jag test drivers come down there!

[razor04]

Some comments on the Daily Mail article from people on the rally appear to suggest that they all safely made it down the pass then the Seat Leon and the Porsche went back up to have another go.

"I know some one who was with them on this rally, they told me yesterday that they were pushing it really hard on the mountain roads. They had all driven down the mountain safely but these two and a porsche had gone back up to have another go at racing down. So sad RIP."

Did someone say it looked like it happened on the way up?

[anonymous-user]

razor04 said:

Did someone say it looked like it happened on the way up?

Yes I did,

If you look at the link in Heroino's post you can go to the time,date, zoom etc.

The car is not in the footage, police were on the scene very quickly.

[getawayturtle]

Ghibli said:

Yes I did,

If you look at the link in Heroino's post you can go to the time,date, zoom etc.

The car is not in the footage, police were on the scene very quickly.

Indeed. Sobering image.

[TVRJAS]

Regarding my comment on page 7

"At the point where they left the road it could of been due to the misfortune of oncoming traffic or some other hazard".

Seeing that image alters my opinion Crashing through at that point can only be put down to Three things,mechanical/brake failure,excessive speed or their luck run out.

Thanks for uploading that image getawayturtle I failed to get anything when I looked.

[Gary C]

Welshbeef said:

Watching that Facebook vid I was cringing that's WAY WAY too fast for comfort.

A stunning drive like that I'd want to be on a smooth slow drive - lots of stops to admire the views and not once would I ever be chirping the tyres. There is a very loosely "similar" road in North to mid Wales near Corwen the drop is terrifying but the views are wonderful.

Also I'm not sure brakes can keep up with hat sort of heavy braking constantly - if it were normal road speed that's fine but 100mph++ hard stops would get them near on useless discs glowing and pedal rock hard you've no chance to stop the car then.

Trouble is, without the right fluid, a glowing disk results in the fluid boiling and the pedal goes really long, really suddenly. Happened to me in Austria in my Astra that I used to road rally in. Mintex pads were more than up to it but the fluid could not cope.

Only managed to stop with the gears and the handbrake before the hairpin. Disks bright red, centre caps melted off and small flames from the pads. Had no real idea it was going to happen as the pads didn't fade being high temp m141 spec. Wonder if he had updated pads ?

Could just imagine the same , lots of brakes, then suddenly gone. Not nice.