pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?

pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?

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mikey k

13,012 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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giblet said:
So in conclusion are the super sports still the best all round tyres? Will be looking to change in a few months. The ISF has Goodyear Eagle F1s on the back and they are just spinning up in anything other than relatively warm and dry weather when I get on the throttle. Granted the temps aren't great at the moment and I've moved from an awd car with less power but I expected better performance from the Goodyears.
I have the PSS's on my M135i and the F1's on my S2000
The PSS's are a revelation, they coped with the snow last week no issue.

jon-

16,511 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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mikey k said:
giblet said:
So in conclusion are the super sports still the best all round tyres? Will be looking to change in a few months. The ISF has Goodyear Eagle F1s on the back and they are just spinning up in anything other than relatively warm and dry weather when I get on the throttle. Granted the temps aren't great at the moment and I've moved from an awd car with less power but I expected better performance from the Goodyears.
I have the PSS's on my M135i and the F1's on my S2000
The PSS's are a revelation, they coped with the snow last week no issue.
The PSS would be one of the worst summer tyres for snow performance, so the fact you managed to cope is likely nothing to do with the tyre!

jon-

16,511 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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giblet said:
jon- said:
The new Conti's are giving them a run, but I'm not convinced the wear is sorted.
How quickly do they seem to be wearing in comparison to the PSS? I guess it's not a huge issue as I average 10k a year and will most likely be running a set of winters from November through to March.
I've no data myself, but have a search around for the new civic type r owners where they're OE. I'm not sure if it's a modified compound for Honda, but some people are reporting alarm wear rates.

But then it is a very powerful FWD car which is likely driven hard, so I'm not sure many fronts would last into 5 figure milage.

Patrick Bateman

12,217 posts

176 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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Yeah I wouldn't use that as a yardstick for the PSS.

mikey k

13,012 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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jon- said:
The PSS would be one of the worst summer tyres for snow performance, so the fact you managed to cope is likely nothing to do with the tyre!
Not sure what you are getting at there?
I've had 4 sets of PSS's on two powerful RWD cars, I've had 3 sets of F1's on S2000's and also have a set of P Zeros on an another powerful RWD.
The PSS's on the M135i have copes far better than the F1's or P Zeros in ANY poor conditions.

George111

6,930 posts

253 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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mikey k said:
jon- said:
The PSS would be one of the worst summer tyres for snow performance, so the fact you managed to cope is likely nothing to do with the tyre!
Not sure what you are getting at there?
I've had 4 sets of PSS's on two powerful RWD cars, I've had 3 sets of F1's on S2000's and also have a set of P Zeros on an another powerful RWD.
The PSS's on the M135i have copes far better than the F1's or P Zeros in ANY poor conditions.
Same is true for other Michelin tyres, eg the Michelin Primacy 3 touring tyre is fantastic in the summer but also copes way better than many others in poor, cold conditions. Michelin just make the best tyres that have had more R&D than other companies and just seem to perform really well.

Continental are a close second though.

jon-

16,511 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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mikey k said:
jon- said:
The PSS would be one of the worst summer tyres for snow performance, so the fact you managed to cope is likely nothing to do with the tyre!
Not sure what you are getting at there?
I've had 4 sets of PSS's on two powerful RWD cars, I've had 3 sets of F1's on S2000's and also have a set of P Zeros on an another powerful RWD.
The PSS's on the M135i have copes far better than the F1's or P Zeros in ANY poor conditions.
I don't doubt what you said, but a tyres snow performance is about tread edges, and packing snow into tread void. The MPSS has less capability than the average summer tyre to perform these functions in snow.

They're great tyres, but a directional summer with a high land/sea ratio such as the Uniroyal Rainsport 2 would out perform the MPSS in snow.


mikey k

13,012 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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don't disgree
that's why I was pleasantly surpised with how well they coped

jon-

16,511 posts

218 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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giblet said:
So in conclusion are the super sports still the best all round tyres? Will be looking to change in a few months. The ISF has Goodyear Eagle F1s on the back and they are just spinning up in anything other than relatively warm and dry weather when I get on the throttle. Granted the temps aren't great at the moment and I've moved from an awd car with less power but I expected better performance from the Goodyears.
As I suspected, Conti have certainly upped their game. The latest Autobild test has the SC6 beating the MPSS in both wet AND dry!

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2016-AutoBild...

mikeyscott

1,200 posts

210 months

Patrick Bateman

12,217 posts

176 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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'The other 1% is on a dry track where the Pilot Super Sport would outperform the Pilot Sport 4 by a couple of tenths of a second around a long track'

Despite saying that, is it not essentially admitting that the Super Sport is still the more performance-oriented tyre?

jon-

16,511 posts

218 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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Patrick Bateman said:
'The other 1% is on a dry track where the Pilot Super Sport would outperform the Pilot Sport 4 by a couple of tenths of a second around a long track'

Despite saying that, is it not essentially admitting that the Super Sport is still the more performance-oriented tyre?
Correct, which is why there's a modified N rated version and a replacement for the Super Sport coming.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

120 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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Patrick Bateman said:
'The other 1% is on a dry track where the Pilot Super Sport would outperform the Pilot Sport 4 by a couple of tenths of a second around a long track'

Despite saying that, is it not essentially admitting that the Super Sport is still the more performance-oriented tyre?
So I'm confused.

Performed PS4 vs PSS which is a better tyre?

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Patrick Bateman said:
'The other 1% is on a dry track where the Pilot Super Sport would outperform the Pilot Sport 4 by a couple of tenths of a second around a long track'

Despite saying that, is it not essentially admitting that the Super Sport is still the more performance-oriented tyre?
So I'm confused.

Performed PS4 vs PSS which is a better tyre?
I'm running PS4 now. The PSS has a slightly firmer side wall, but that's about it. Grip is on par.

Would have gone for the SC6 if it were available in 18" but I'm not regretting the PS4s. Michelin have pulled a blinder again.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

120 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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Yeah I want the CSC6 also.
Do enjoy a stiff sidewall... who knows frown

mikeyscott

1,200 posts

210 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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I wish I'd got PS4, but I was desperate to ditch the RFT on my 135i.

redback911

2,748 posts

268 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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Having major problems finding PSS in:

245/30 ZR21 (91Y)
265/30 ZR21 (91Y)

Called Michelin early December and was told they are on a 6-8 week lead time. Put on a order in with my garage and called last week and was told its still 8-10 weeks from now. Only option currently is Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R. I would like to try the Continental SportContact 6 but also having a hard time finding them in the UK.

jon-

16,511 posts

218 months

Thursday 10th March 2016
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redback911 said:
Having major problems finding PSS in:

245/30 ZR21 (91Y)
265/30 ZR21 (91Y)

Called Michelin early December and was told they are on a 6-8 week lead time. Put on a order in with my garage and called last week and was told its still 8-10 weeks from now. Only option currently is Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R. I would like to try the Continental SportContact 6 but also having a hard time finding them in the UK.
The front PSS are available in Germany, and the rears are available in the SC6 tyre. Typical!

HappyMidget

6,788 posts

117 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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Confused.com. Does the SC6 replace the 5P? Am hoping the 6 has the right size if so due to the 5P being OEM fitment on the VXR8.

jon-

16,511 posts

218 months

Friday 11th March 2016
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HappyMidget said:
Confused.com. Does the SC6 replace the 5P? Am hoping the 6 has the right size if so due to the 5P being OEM fitment on the VXR8.
Yes it does.