Jerk in a Merc (Reg T9 TSK) has a dispute with cyclist
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
I think that some of it is a lack of understanding but the vast amount is wilful contempt for an underclass or plain anger being exacted on the vulnerable. You only need to read PH to see that more than an enough people are just plain angry at cyclists or angry and use vulnerable road uses as a vent and a chance to teach a 
on a bike a lesson in life is a chance not to be missed.
There are the same messed up blokes on bikes. I see them in the City deliberately manoeuvre themselves so as to ensure a confrontation with a car or pedestrian but they aren't as dangerous or plentiful as the loons in cars.
I'd be more inclined to instead of investing in a civilised program of cultural exchange to just take the short cut of dragging them out into the road and beating them with paddles until they are just too scared to venture out in public again. It's quicker, cheaper and will benefit the whole of society.
on a bike a lesson in life is a chance not to be missed. There are the same messed up blokes on bikes. I see them in the City deliberately manoeuvre themselves so as to ensure a confrontation with a car or pedestrian but they aren't as dangerous or plentiful as the loons in cars.
I'd be more inclined to instead of investing in a civilised program of cultural exchange to just take the short cut of dragging them out into the road and beating them with paddles until they are just too scared to venture out in public again. It's quicker, cheaper and will benefit the whole of society.
Yes but surely there are plenty of car and cab drivers that need the same????
powerstroke said:
Yes but surely there are plenty of car and cab drivers that need the same????
Get another coffee down you. We're talking about drivers. They're the real problem. There's more of them, their average intelligence is going to be lower as cycling is mostly a middle class of professional means of commuting transport and they are magnitudes more dangerous than their tit counterpart on a push bike.
I think a massive 'stop, drag and paddle' policy across the whole of London would be an enormous benefit to all.
BrownBottle said:
scrubchub said:
You're missing my point entirely. Just because you can't imagine a car overtaking in those exact circumstance doesn't mean that car drivers don't perform some ridiculous overtakes at times in completely inappropriate positions - it has certainly happened to me. And in those situations I have not made the situation worse by blocking the overtake and forcing someone to stay in the path of oncoming traffic. On PH, overtake blocking is generally ranked alongside middle lane hoggers as one of the worst driving habits. This video is a cast iron, indisputable example of an overtake block.
So yes, I do comprehend what you are saying, but I still feel it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion. Can't make the point any simpler really. As my mum would tell me - "Two wrongs don't make a right". Just let the guy complete the overtake, don't do anything dangerous and don't get some poor driver coming in the other direction potentially involved in an accident. That can be applied to any situation where there is a less than ideal overtake, no matter the vehicles involved.
Not defending the cyclist here, as he was riding like a knob, but the driver deliberately putting him in harms way was a disgrace.
So your comments regarding cars overtaking in circumstances completely unrelated to the video are relevant to the discussion yet my comments regarding cars overtaking in the exact same circumstances as the video are completely irrelevant.So yes, I do comprehend what you are saying, but I still feel it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion. Can't make the point any simpler really. As my mum would tell me - "Two wrongs don't make a right". Just let the guy complete the overtake, don't do anything dangerous and don't get some poor driver coming in the other direction potentially involved in an accident. That can be applied to any situation where there is a less than ideal overtake, no matter the vehicles involved.
Not defending the cyclist here, as he was riding like a knob, but the driver deliberately putting him in harms way was a disgrace.
Don't think we're going to agree on that one
To put it another way: I saw the clip and saw a bad overtake and very deliberate and potentially very dangerous closing of the gap. A situation that happens all the time between cars and on PH one where the gap closer tends to get hammered.
You saw the clip and seemed to only see bad cycling because in that particular situation a car would be unlikely to try the overtake.
scrubchub said:
Except that's not the point is it? I don't know what point you were trying to make when you said that you don't see cars overtaking in that position - as if that somehow makes the cyclist worse or excuses the driver (not to put words in your mouth but that seemed to be the insinuation). I simply said that you see cars overtaking in other, equally poor positions and if a driver closed the gap like that in one of those similar situations then he would be lambasted on pistonheads for it. Hence the fact that you would be unlikely to see a car overtake in that exact position is irrelevant.
To put it another way: I saw the clip and saw a bad overtake and very deliberate and potentially very dangerous closing of the gap. A situation that happens all the time between cars and on PH one where the gap closer tends to get hammered.
You saw the clip and seemed to only see bad cycling because in that particular situation a car would be unlikely to try the overtake.
Jesus wept, it's simple but I'll explain it to you one last time.To put it another way: I saw the clip and saw a bad overtake and very deliberate and potentially very dangerous closing of the gap. A situation that happens all the time between cars and on PH one where the gap closer tends to get hammered.
You saw the clip and seemed to only see bad cycling because in that particular situation a car would be unlikely to try the overtake.
The park has a 20mph speed limit which applies to all traffic including cyclists, there was a steady flow of nose to tail traffic travelling at around the speed limit. The cyclist was a tit for trying to overtake just as a car driver would be, however I imagine you'd be much less likely to see a car overtaking in such circumstances.
No amount of situations hypothetical or otherwise you want to talk about regarding cars overtaking in different circumstances is going to change that.
BrownBottle said:
scrubchub said:
Except that's not the point is it? I don't know what point you were trying to make when you said that you don't see cars overtaking in that position - as if that somehow makes the cyclist worse or excuses the driver (not to put words in your mouth but that seemed to be the insinuation). I simply said that you see cars overtaking in other, equally poor positions and if a driver closed the gap like that in one of those similar situations then he would be lambasted on pistonheads for it. Hence the fact that you would be unlikely to see a car overtake in that exact position is irrelevant.
To put it another way: I saw the clip and saw a bad overtake and very deliberate and potentially very dangerous closing of the gap. A situation that happens all the time between cars and on PH one where the gap closer tends to get hammered.
You saw the clip and seemed to only see bad cycling because in that particular situation a car would be unlikely to try the overtake.
Jesus wept, it's simple but I'll explain it to you one last time.To put it another way: I saw the clip and saw a bad overtake and very deliberate and potentially very dangerous closing of the gap. A situation that happens all the time between cars and on PH one where the gap closer tends to get hammered.
You saw the clip and seemed to only see bad cycling because in that particular situation a car would be unlikely to try the overtake.
The park has a 20mph speed limit which applies to all traffic including cyclists, there was a steady flow of nose to tail traffic travelling at around the speed limit. The cyclist was a tit for trying to overtake just as a car driver would be, however I imagine you'd be much less likely to see a car overtaking in such circumstances.
No amount of situations hypothetical or otherwise you want to talk about regarding cars overtaking in different circumstances is going to change that.
Idiots are idiots whatever they're driving/riding on the day.
freshkid said:
Yes having experience of more forms of transport is very useful. I think a lot of this anger and irresponsible behaviour is down to a lack of understanding.
Totally agree. If people were in less of a hurry and took a bit of responsibility for their actions the roads would work a lot better freshkid said:
I think the big one for me would be to shadow a bendy bus driver...I'd love to know what they're thinking. I understand they get frustrated but Jesus Christ they do some stupid st.
I would love to know what they were thinking when they invented itt.freshkid said:
It is scary to see how many people regard closing a gap on a vulnerable cyclist as an ok thing to do. You can argue the rights and wrongs as long as you like but SURELY it's never ok to deliberately put someone in physical danger.
Do you agree though that the cyclist shouldn't have attempted the maneuver in the first place?DoubleD said:
freshkid said:
It is scary to see how many people regard closing a gap on a vulnerable cyclist as an ok thing to do. You can argue the rights and wrongs as long as you like but SURELY it's never ok to deliberately put someone in physical danger.
Do you agree though that the cyclist shouldn't have attempted the maneuver in the first place?Loads of questions
Did the driver try to close the gap or
was the gap varying in size anyway?
Was there a big enough gap for the bike to go for the overtake?
That aside as soon as he realised he was being overtaken he should have dropped back if necessary for the overtake to complete.
Was the bike far enough forward for the driver to drop back or should the bike have dropped back?
at what point did the driver realise he was being overtaken?
Was the bike still overtaking at that point
or holding station alongside to have a word with the driver
Just because one has made a mistake doesn't mean the second has to try to double the mistake
Did the driver make a mistake in not realising the cyclist was overtaking
Did the cyclist make a mistake in not realising the car driver didnt know what he was doing
Let's have a go at assembling how it looked to both parties
Did the driver try to close the gap or
was the gap varying in size anyway?
Was there a big enough gap for the bike to go for the overtake?
That aside as soon as he realised he was being overtaken he should have dropped back if necessary for the overtake to complete.
Was the bike far enough forward for the driver to drop back or should the bike have dropped back?
at what point did the driver realise he was being overtaken?
Was the bike still overtaking at that point
or holding station alongside to have a word with the driver
Just because one has made a mistake doesn't mean the second has to try to double the mistake
Did the driver make a mistake in not realising the cyclist was overtaking
Did the cyclist make a mistake in not realising the car driver didnt know what he was doing
Let's have a go at assembling how it looked to both parties
Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 16th February 19:06
Kawasicki said:
Just to clarify...speed limits do not apply to cyclists or pedestrians.
Or has the law changed recently?
You can see it's typically no but depends on bylaws.Or has the law changed recently?
There are other issues with this thread
There was a skateboard video a year ago back ( Bristol?) where they managed to set off a standard speed camera (30mph)
Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 16th February 19:18
saaby93 said:
Kawasicki said:
Just to clarify...speed limits do not apply to cyclists or pedestrians.
Or has the law changed recently?
You can see it's typically no but depends on bylaws.Or has the law changed recently?
There are other issues with this thread
There was a skateboard video a year ago back ( Bristol?) where they managed to set off a standard speed camera (30mph)
Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 16th February 19:18
Kawasicki said:
saaby93 said:
Kawasicki said:
Just to clarify...speed limits do not apply to cyclists or pedestrians.
Or has the law changed recently?
You can see it's typically no but depends on bylaws.Or has the law changed recently?
There are other issues with this thread
There was a skateboard video a year ago back ( Bristol?) where they managed to set off a standard speed camera (30mph)
Edited by saaby93 on Tuesday 16th February 19:18
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleD said:
freshkid said:
It is scary to see how many people regard closing a gap on a vulnerable cyclist as an ok thing to do. You can argue the rights and wrongs as long as you like but SURELY it's never ok to deliberately put someone in physical danger.
Do you agree though that the cyclist shouldn't have attempted the maneuver in the first place?DoubleD said:
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleD said:
freshkid said:
It is scary to see how many people regard closing a gap on a vulnerable cyclist as an ok thing to do. You can argue the rights and wrongs as long as you like but SURELY it's never ok to deliberately put someone in physical danger.
Do you agree though that the cyclist shouldn't have attempted the maneuver in the first place?I also think that being a vulnerable road user doesn't give people the excuse to deliberatly put themselves at risk and expect everyone else on the road to take avoiding action at the last f
king second. That's insanity and the people that do it need to be sectioned for their own protection.Every time that I do see some angry t
t in a car doing some dumbst, I now wonder if they have left their bike at home that particular day. Mandalore said:
I agree.
I also think that being a vulnerable road user doesn't give people the excuse to deliberatly put themselves at risk and expect everyone else on the road to take avoiding action at the last fking second. That's insanity and the people that do it need to be sectioned for their own protection.
Every time that I do see some angry tt in a car doing some dumbst, I now wonder if they have left their bike at home that particular day.
Really? Have you looked in some cars? Never mind swallowing the saddle, some drivers are so fat they'll swallow the whole bike!I also think that being a vulnerable road user doesn't give people the excuse to deliberatly put themselves at risk and expect everyone else on the road to take avoiding action at the last f
king second. That's insanity and the people that do it need to be sectioned for their own protection.Every time that I do see some angry t
t in a car doing some dumbst, I now wonder if they have left their bike at home that particular day. frisbee said:
Mandalore said:
I agree.
I also think that being a vulnerable road user doesn't give people the excuse to deliberatly put themselves at risk and expect everyone else on the road to take avoiding action at the last fking second. That's insanity and the people that do it need to be sectioned for their own protection.
Every time that I do see some angry tt in a car doing some dumbst, I now wonder if they have left their bike at home that particular day.
Really? Have you looked in some cars? Never mind swallowing the saddle, some drivers are so fat they'll swallow the whole bike!I also think that being a vulnerable road user doesn't give people the excuse to deliberatly put themselves at risk and expect everyone else on the road to take avoiding action at the last f
king second. That's insanity and the people that do it need to be sectioned for their own protection.Every time that I do see some angry t
t in a car doing some dumbst, I now wonder if they have left their bike at home that particular day. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff