Re: New TVR 'On Sale In 2012' Says Smolenski
Discussion
Graham grow up and stop swearing if you think spelling idiot is wrong well posting the likes of F*****G is far worse and is plain for all to see. Fair enough you do not agree with what the guy said but to then be abusive is not on. You would not talk to my face like that so stop being a keyboard warrior and act your age. It is so childish to pull people on their spelling and then post foul language hiding it by spelling it wrongly! I have a life that I enjoy that is why I don't post abusive foul replies that smacks of an aggressive person who is not enjoying theirs.
grahamw48 said:
barefoot said:
Caractacus
Totally agree with you on all points. Having a go at someone on here for bad spelling/grammar is a joke the 1st post I looked at that Graham had responded to from his profile he says "Looking at that colour, howabout the ones 'chedder' has fitted ?" Howabout is 2 words so a bit silly pulling others on spelling eh!
I had a new 99 Cerbera speed 6 a Tuscan S and a TVR T350 all 3 had one or more engine rebuilds spending weeks at the factory. I live locally and Heath in service always looked after me with a Griff to use or whatever. Now the factory has gone there is no way I would buy another spreed 6 engined TVR unless it was one of Dom's new engines with a warranty. I am TVR through and through but building the speed 6 engine was one of Wheelers biggest downfalls. The engine builders at the factory will tell you that yes it initially had design problems but TVR were buying in the cheapest parts to make the engines and the warranty work with engines stacked up at the factory was mind blowing. When Peter was selling the company it was common knowledge suppliers had not been paid there were no parts to build the cars available it was in a shocking state. Yes NS was a prat but mainly for buying a company that had a disenchanted workforce was losing money hand over fist and a range of cars all using the speed 6 engine which was so fragile.
One of the 1st things NS did was offer a 2 year warranty to install some confidence in the cars yet the amount of extra warranty work that would have entailed was something the company could ill afford. TVR had bought in some Corvette engines and boxes at this time to look at installing them and I was told the price they could buy them for which would amaze you how cheaply they could get them from GM! Seriously the figure I was told in confidence was a joke hopefully someone on here from the factory might be willing to divulge. Put it this way they were a lot cheaper to buy in than it cost to build a speed 6 engine
A Sagaris/Tuscan with that power plant and its other states of tune would have been the turning point for TVR IMO. It would be such a shame if the car is not made in the UK but I for one would still be very interested in an updated Tuscan with a tuned Corvette engine no matter where it was made at the end of the day they are still great looking cars and with a decent reliable engine so would lots of other people.
Well bully for you you pathetic nit-picking twirp. 'Howabout' used in chatty forum style....bit different from a whole paragraph of sTotally agree with you on all points. Having a go at someone on here for bad spelling/grammar is a joke the 1st post I looked at that Graham had responded to from his profile he says "Looking at that colour, howabout the ones 'chedder' has fitted ?" Howabout is 2 words so a bit silly pulling others on spelling eh!
I had a new 99 Cerbera speed 6 a Tuscan S and a TVR T350 all 3 had one or more engine rebuilds spending weeks at the factory. I live locally and Heath in service always looked after me with a Griff to use or whatever. Now the factory has gone there is no way I would buy another spreed 6 engined TVR unless it was one of Dom's new engines with a warranty. I am TVR through and through but building the speed 6 engine was one of Wheelers biggest downfalls. The engine builders at the factory will tell you that yes it initially had design problems but TVR were buying in the cheapest parts to make the engines and the warranty work with engines stacked up at the factory was mind blowing. When Peter was selling the company it was common knowledge suppliers had not been paid there were no parts to build the cars available it was in a shocking state. Yes NS was a prat but mainly for buying a company that had a disenchanted workforce was losing money hand over fist and a range of cars all using the speed 6 engine which was so fragile.
One of the 1st things NS did was offer a 2 year warranty to install some confidence in the cars yet the amount of extra warranty work that would have entailed was something the company could ill afford. TVR had bought in some Corvette engines and boxes at this time to look at installing them and I was told the price they could buy them for which would amaze you how cheaply they could get them from GM! Seriously the figure I was told in confidence was a joke hopefully someone on here from the factory might be willing to divulge. Put it this way they were a lot cheaper to buy in than it cost to build a speed 6 engine
A Sagaris/Tuscan with that power plant and its other states of tune would have been the turning point for TVR IMO. It would be such a shame if the car is not made in the UK but I for one would still be very interested in an updated Tuscan with a tuned Corvette engine no matter where it was made at the end of the day they are still great looking cars and with a decent reliable engine so would lots of other people.
te.Now go and look up some more posts, run back here and post a few if it makes you feel better, then go and get a f
king life. 
If the issue of a 'merkan engine from a Corvette causes a problem, well they were and a lot still are, built at Holdens Elizabeth plant in South Australia. SS Commodore/Vauxhall HSV/Monaro for those unfamiliar with that particular engine.
Blimey guys...don't forget what the origins of the Speed 6 engine was....the engine is not what made a TVR, a TVR.
However, engine aside, TVR is British because it is(was) made here. Even BMW worked that one out regarding Rolls Royce.
TVR1 said:
Old news
1998, let me see, err, LTCM anyone?Would it also be fair to condemn a man for who his father is?
I completely understand the point you are trying to make but using news on someone's father based on events in 1998 during one of the largest geographic meltdowns of all time is not sufficient.
Russians are pricks when it comes to business. Everyone knows that, it's just the way they operate. It's why NS just keeps bouncing from monkey to gibbon trying to get a car built, but I fail to see too much relevance behind your stories of his father from over 12 years ago.
DonkeyApple said:
TVR1 said:
Old news
1998, let me see, err, LTCM anyone?Would it also be fair to condemn a man for who his father is?
I completely understand the point you are trying to make but using news on someone's father based on events in 1998 during one of the largest geographic meltdowns of all time is not sufficient.
Russians are pricks when it comes to business. Everyone knows that, it's just the way they operate. It's why NS just keeps bouncing from monkey to gibbon trying to get a car built, but I fail to see too much relevance behind your stories of his father from over 12 years ago.
And yes, it is fair to condemn a man for who his father is, especially as the man in question(Nikolai) was the director of the bank(AGRO) that 'diversified/changed names'...whatever you would like to call it.
The article ends in 2000. Alexander and Nikolai lay low for a while. the story was taken up in 2004 with TVR and others.
Alexander is now 'happily' living in a castle in Vienna. He can not return to Russia due to these 'issues.' Or at least, if he does, he won't be getting out for a while/ever and being able to bribe a few people to stay out of jail like he did 'in the old days' won't wash anymore.
If you have read the article in full, Alexander claims that he has no knowledge of the 'shell' companies in Macedonia and Cyprus, or who owns them.....well you know what? I bloody do! and they are still directors.....hello Mr Oxley & co
Nikolai is his fathers son. Shame really, as he always seemed to be a nice chap but even the chaps he went to school with (sons of very prominent Arabs, by the way and still good friends) have politely turned him down.
I tell you what though, even though Nikolai is totally loyal to his father, the only time I saw him criticise him at all was when he was refused entry to America in 2005, on the basis that he was a member of a 'morally undesirable family.' sometimes, money can't buy everything.
The article is as valid now as it was then, nothing has changed.
DanS said:
This load of old c**k makes me yearn for the old days when Bull stuelson handled the PR guff out of blackpool... At least then you knew there was a car, even if it was broken.....
But where was the car?....tuelson handled the PR guff out of blackpool... At least then you knew there was a car, even if it was broken..... I remember a particularly interesting situation, waiting for a customers Sagaris (fully paid for).
After being told it was being delivered 'tomorrow'....I waited...and waited.
A few days went by and with no one able to tell me about it, I popped up to Blackpool to see if anyone knew where it was. They did, of course. Not heading to London(and the customer) but on a transporter to Italy to take part in a 'lil film. You see, the demonstrator had been 'broken' by a journo a few days before and my car was the next available one. It isn't a bad film and actually I really think it could have worked but I did have a difficult conversation with the new owner......linky if you havn't ever seen it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7T58LqeAEs
Along the lines of 'The Hire' series, from BMW. Here is 'Star' to get an idea, if you havn't seen them...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i2m7W1CR3w
It could have worked.......
vintageracer01 said:
After having red the article of TVR1, I do not think there will be any TVRs under the current ownership. Whether there are a few produced or not.
Who wants to buy a car from a crook? And I agree, who wants to supply him?
Interesting reading. THANKS!
What a mad world.
I'm having similar thoughts.Who wants to buy a car from a crook? And I agree, who wants to supply him?
Interesting reading. THANKS!
What a mad world.
If TVR were on the market (I assume it unofficially is as money talks in this game), how much do you think they would let it go for?
TVR as a business worked well when you could buy a Chim for £30k new (I did) and there was simply nothing else like it on the market. They failed when they had to sell them at £50-60k and everyone else made decent sportscars for similar or less money.
Trying to sell one now, as a 10yr old car with a new engine, from a company that'll likely not exist in a year is a joke. It's as likely to be in a showroom soon as the Melling Wildcat
Trying to sell one now, as a 10yr old car with a new engine, from a company that'll likely not exist in a year is a joke. It's as likely to be in a showroom soon as the Melling Wildcat
I do not understand the bloke! TVR is Blackpool, TVR is GB, TVR is Peter Wheeler. TVR is about national pride and rivalry and a British take on life. All those things he seems to resent. So what is left to make it unique and to identify it as a TVR when he's extracted all those qualities? Fair enough, take the chassis and body and make something good of it but please leave the marque for someone else who knows what it means.
fk it - if we didn't care about these things we'd all be driving Weismanns!
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k it - if we didn't care about these things we'd all be driving Weismanns! TVR was what it was. What it will be is in name only. Quirky names and dogs adding to the design team and built in the UK where product testing was selling it to the customer is what TVR was and why I bought mine. Not be going to upgrade past the UK ones (in all honesty staying with the wedge) and wonder how many sales were the result of a previous model? If it ever sees the light of day, British Beef it aint.
Would you hand over your money to this operation?
Nothing about it strikes me as anything other than vapourware and bull. They only way I'd buy one of these would be if I could see the car and hand over money to be given the keys (even then I'd check that there really was an engine under the bonnet). If a customer can have no faith in the company they are buying from it won't matter if it's a Bugatti for Skoda money...
Nothing about it strikes me as anything other than vapourware and bull. They only way I'd buy one of these would be if I could see the car and hand over money to be given the keys (even then I'd check that there really was an engine under the bonnet). If a customer can have no faith in the company they are buying from it won't matter if it's a Bugatti for Skoda money...
King Fisher said:
Porscheplayer said:
Porscheplayer said:
King Fisher said:
grahamw48 said:
Porscheplayer said:
I hope it does happen
TVR Brand, as far as I can see it wasn't worth much anyway.
I'd be happy the cars drove better and didn't drop to bits
Go away and play with your two a penny volkswagen porsche then...IF you actually own one of course. TVR Brand, as far as I can see it wasn't worth much anyway.
I'd be happy the cars drove better and didn't drop to bits
If he prefers his pig ugly, overpriced VW clone with its tacky interior and pathetic exhaust note to a TVR (ANY TVR!), he's obviously never driven one.
I would buy another tvr if the russian can sort out the build quailty and the'niggles' as tvr fans call them . Lack of reliability killed tvr last time, there is only so many people who'll buy a car which will need an engine rebuild within 30k miles. The rest of the car buying public wont stand for it or consider a flawed product no matter how good the cars look or sound
I Hope it comes off
Captain angry stikes again.
I'm typing this on a crappy phone keypad, so it isnt the best.
None of the juvenile comments change the fact that many ex tvr owners wouldn't have another unless the reliabilty issues are sorted. Graham if you think i need to prove anything to a silly little man on the internet you're very much mistaken.
Good day smiler
Edited by Porscheplayer on Sunday 17th October 22:09
TVR1 said:
DonkeyApple said:
TVR1 said:
Old news
1998, let me see, err, LTCM anyone?Would it also be fair to condemn a man for who his father is?
I completely understand the point you are trying to make but using news on someone's father based on events in 1998 during one of the largest geographic meltdowns of all time is not sufficient.
Russians are pricks when it comes to business. Everyone knows that, it's just the way they operate. It's why NS just keeps bouncing from monkey to gibbon trying to get a car built, but I fail to see too much relevance behind your stories of his father from over 12 years ago.
And yes, it is fair to condemn a man for who his father is, especially as the man in question(Nikolai) was the director of the bank(AGRO) that 'diversified/changed names'...whatever you would like to call it.
The article ends in 2000. Alexander and Nikolai lay low for a while. the story was taken up in 2004 with TVR and others.
Alexander is now 'happily' living in a castle in Vienna. He can not return to Russia due to these 'issues.' Or at least, if he does, he won't be getting out for a while/ever and being able to bribe a few people to stay out of jail like he did 'in the old days' won't wash anymore.
If you have read the article in full, Alexander claims that he has no knowledge of the 'shell' companies in Macedonia and Cyprus, or who owns them.....well you know what? I bloody do! and they are still directors.....hello Mr Oxley & co
Nikolai is his fathers son. Shame really, as he always seemed to be a nice chap but even the chaps he went to school with (sons of very prominent Arabs, by the way and still good friends) have politely turned him down.
I tell you what though, even though Nikolai is totally loyal to his father, the only time I saw him criticise him at all was when he was refused entry to America in 2005, on the basis that he was a member of a 'morally undesirable family.' sometimes, money can't buy everything.
The article is as valid now as it was then, nothing has changed.
I don't see the link.
But have a look at what went on at most US and UK banks 10 years later when they had the same problem. I don't see anyone tarring the children of the directors with the same brush, that would be odd.
All Russian business in Europe is run out of Cyprus. That's the only reason Cyprus exists nowadays. Again, everyone knows this and it can't exactly be used as a tool to reach an agenda.
Why would anyone who sets up a company in such a jurisdiction go around telling anyone who owns what!!!!
I'm afraid, as much as I do agree entirely with your view these articles are not relevant and are just a cheap attempt to smear for some agenda.
Where were all these diehard British TVR fans when Wheeler had the company and it was being made in Blackpool before he sold the company? Some have very short memories search in the past TVR forums of the era and look at all the disgruntled people who were slagging off the company who had 2 or even 3 engine rebuilds. Look at pictures that were supplied at the time of loads of speed 6 engines stacked waiting for rebuilds. Customers whose cars were in the factory more than their own garage, dealers complaining like mad on behalf of their customers who were giving it them in the neck.
Tvr went downhill and cut costs/corners when the speed 6 engines were going bump they had to as the warranty work was taking over, the lads in the service department and some on the production line were taken off to help out with rebuilding all the engines. The parts bought in were inferior and cheaper it was a mad rush to get customers cars back on the road at the time. I always remember a top bloke who worked there who has sadly passed away cringing at the thought of a couple of local high class motor dealers taking on the TVR franchise, his thoughts at the time were oh dear do they know what they have let themselves in for!
Yes we all knew TVR's could be troublesome etc but up to 3 engine rebuilds in less than 20,000 miles in some cases my last T350 had 2 in 15,000. I was lucky both times Danielle got mine put to the front of the queue others were months without their cars. Anyone that has been on here like me from day one or thereabouts will have read my passionate posts about the cars and the guys on the shop floor at TVR but people are mistaken if they think NS is totally to blame for TVR's demise Peter deserted a sinking ship and found a fool easily parted with his money when the company was on the verge of going under.
I repeat I would love TVR to be reborn here in England but look at Noble they had all the bodies made in South Africa and shipped over here to save money. If someone makes an updated Tuscan or Sagaris with the Corvette engine and keeps it at the right price (which it should do now it has been shown what price the engines can be purchased for) then I am certain lots of old and new owners will be sorely tempted. Just think of the performance a 638 BHP Tuscan would have and look at the prices Noble Ferrari Porsche Morgan etc are asking for their models that have similar performance. Even though it would be a fair bit more than the old Sagaris price it should still be around half of what some of the others are asking which would mean a fibreglass car that sounds fantastic goes like stink looks like nothing else great value....you see where I am going with this all the original TVR attributes but this time with an engine that is bomb proof. If it gets made anywhere and by anyone and is at the right price count me in!
Tvr went downhill and cut costs/corners when the speed 6 engines were going bump they had to as the warranty work was taking over, the lads in the service department and some on the production line were taken off to help out with rebuilding all the engines. The parts bought in were inferior and cheaper it was a mad rush to get customers cars back on the road at the time. I always remember a top bloke who worked there who has sadly passed away cringing at the thought of a couple of local high class motor dealers taking on the TVR franchise, his thoughts at the time were oh dear do they know what they have let themselves in for!
Yes we all knew TVR's could be troublesome etc but up to 3 engine rebuilds in less than 20,000 miles in some cases my last T350 had 2 in 15,000. I was lucky both times Danielle got mine put to the front of the queue others were months without their cars. Anyone that has been on here like me from day one or thereabouts will have read my passionate posts about the cars and the guys on the shop floor at TVR but people are mistaken if they think NS is totally to blame for TVR's demise Peter deserted a sinking ship and found a fool easily parted with his money when the company was on the verge of going under.
I repeat I would love TVR to be reborn here in England but look at Noble they had all the bodies made in South Africa and shipped over here to save money. If someone makes an updated Tuscan or Sagaris with the Corvette engine and keeps it at the right price (which it should do now it has been shown what price the engines can be purchased for) then I am certain lots of old and new owners will be sorely tempted. Just think of the performance a 638 BHP Tuscan would have and look at the prices Noble Ferrari Porsche Morgan etc are asking for their models that have similar performance. Even though it would be a fair bit more than the old Sagaris price it should still be around half of what some of the others are asking which would mean a fibreglass car that sounds fantastic goes like stink looks like nothing else great value....you see where I am going with this all the original TVR attributes but this time with an engine that is bomb proof. If it gets made anywhere and by anyone and is at the right price count me in!
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