Pictures of 'Stanced' cars

[RB Will]

toppstuff said:

RB Will said:

toppstuff said:

RB Will said:

I have been in a number of cars that have the occasional bit of tyre scrub and have had no problems.

You clearly have no idea how idiotic this statement is...

its a 100% factual, accurate statement. It does not prove that problems cant arise from a really serious scrub or prolonged scrubbing but it does prove that some tyre scrub, even at speed does not lead to instant death or component failure.

Wow. So in an open forum you have stated that a) You know of cars where the tyres scrub the bodywork and b) you don't see how this is a problem.

The fact that you clearly don't see a problem with this pretty much proves why this thread has so many people questioning the safety of the scene.

Here's a little technical point for you - tyres do not nearly fail. They don't fail a bit. When a tyre is being abraded by the bodywork it will continue to work until it will suddenly let go and fail catastrophically. Cars then crash and people potentially die, including innocent bystanders or kids on school buses etc that are in the wrong place at the right time.

When you travel in a car that has tyre rubbing on the bodywork, you are playing Russian roulette, not just with your life but also with mine. I have a problem with this.

You may have the innocence of youth on your side and the sense that everyone and everything is immortal. But your position is indefensible.

If you are representative of the "scene" then all you have done is confirm the notion that it is full of stupid people in a state of denial and that , sadly, a relatively small percentage of the cars that have been stanced have had the time and money spent on them on stuff like adjustable suspension to make them safe,

So well done. If you are here to champion the stance scene, you just had an "epic fail" and confirmed everyone's worst opinions. Good job.

Nice rant but it is you that has cocked up I'm afraid . I do know of cars where the tyres will rub the bodywork. I have spent many happy hours in them. I have not said that the tyre scrubbing the bodywork is not a problem. I said, and read it carefully this time. I have not had any problems, eg tyre failures, punctures, crashes while in these cars.
Have you ever had a tyre blowout? Did you crash and kill people? I have been in 2 vehicles that have and all we got was a pop with a bit of a rumbling. One of these was at 80mph with 4 people on board the other was in a van doing 70mph with a load in the back. I have even been driving a car where the rear right wheel fell off and again nobody came to any harm and there was no crashing, well the bottom of the car crashed into the floor but that was pretty inevitable.
I'm not for one minute suggesting that a tyre blowout can't lead to a serious problem but it is not guaranteed.
Whenever anyone goes out on the road they are playing Russian Roulette with you. Anyone has the potential to kill you in any car, van truck, school bus.
I don't know if 27 counts as youthful but I do have a lot of driving experience and have had friends die in car/ bike crashes so I know we are not immortal thanks.
I'm not here to represent the scene I'm just asking for it to be fairly treated.

[crazy about cars]

Another Fluffer said:

Love the artwork/paintwork!

Agreed. Love the whole Mad Max style theme but dislike the collapse suspension.

[tdog7]

toppstuff said:

If you are representative of the "scene" then all you have done is confirm the notion that it is full of stupid people in a state of denial and that , sadly, a relatively small percentage of the cars that have been stanced have had the time and money spent on them on stuff like adjustable suspension to make them safe,

So well done. If you are here to champion the stance scene, you just had an "epic fail" and confirmed everyone's worst opinions. Good job.

Wow! In an open forum, you have just confirmed that you can't tell the difference between an individual - one person, and a group of people. Because of your opinion on one person, or even 3 or 4 from this thread, you now conclude that anyone associated with "stanced cars" is stupid........you also seem to generalise that all stanced cars are dangerous.....hmmmmm......a pattern emerging here I think.

[RB Will]

Scrambled said:

RB Will said:

I need you to expand on that. Matters concerning speed could well be Brake's motto. Speed can be fast or slow but if you are complaining about the cars that are slower being unwanted then surely you are after ultimate speed?

Try to consider it as relating to driving pleasure then if that helps.

The pleasure of driving caravans and campervans? we have a forum for them too remember.

[RB Will]

Scrambled said:

RB Will said:

Scrambled said:

What connection is there to 'pops and bangs' in that though.

Well I guess you could say that pops and bangs will create extra pressure in the exhaust system placing more stress on each component or existing weakness which makes it more likely to fail and maybe drop off.

You aren't an engineer _ how did I guess?

Go on then, amuse me. Explain from an engineering perspective how what I said is wrong.

[Digitalize]

toppstuff said:

Edited for accuracy.

HTH

Well done on proving yourself to be immature.

[toppstuff]

And for the sake of clarity, let us make sure that everyone understands the following:

1. If a car is so stanced that the tyres rub against the bodywork it would fail an MOT. Therefore the car has been altered for the purposes of the MOT in order to be on the road.

2. If the car has been stanced and would fail its MOT if it was tested again, then chances are the car is NOT covered by insurance. This is also true if the car has undeclared modifications - and lets be clear again, NO INSURANCE CO on the PLANET will approve a car with stretched tires either.

3. Ergo, we have confirmation that there are people here who drive or travel in cars that are, by definition, breaking the law. They are also, by definition, uninsured. Rubbing tyres and stretched tires are, by definition, MOT failures and issues that would void insurance.

I hope you are proud.

If you crash into me, I will ensure that you are prosecuted with every available arm of the law. I will then take out a civil action, regardless of cost, and sue you into the next millenium so that every penny you earn is given away to people who are innocent victims of clueless barry boys in their own little world without the emotional maturity to understand the consequences of their actions.

I do not apologise for the rightous anger. But admitting to running unsafe cars and trying to pretend it is OK, is crossing a rubicon and should not be tolerated.

Be in no doubt. ANY car you see which rubs its tyres would fail an MOT and not be properly insured. You are culpable.

Time for the 19 yr olds to grow up IMO.

[drophead]

Another Fluffer said:

God that looks st

[skene]

Time for mods to close this thread I think. We obviously aren't allowed to share photos of cars we like the look of on here cause they don't go fast and we care more about how they look than how they perform.

[Digitalize]

toppstuff said:

And for the sake of clarity, let us make sure that everyone understands the following:

1. If a car is so stanced that the tyres rub against the bodywork it would fail an MOT. Therefore the car has been altered for the purposes of the MOT in order to be on the road.

A car rubs at 70mph over a motorway dip because our motorways are terrible. How does an MOT tester check this?

2. If the car has been stanced and would fail its MOT if it was tested again, then chances are the car is NOT covered by insurance. This is also true if the car has undeclared modifications - and lets be clear again, NO INSURANCE CO on the PLANET will approve a car with stretched tires either.

Explain why Insurance Companies attend shows which are based around this scene then.

3. Ergo, we have confirmation that there are people here who drive or travel in cars that are, by definition, breaking the law. They are also, by definition, uninsured. Rubbing tyres and stretched tires are, by definition, MOT failures and issues that would void insurance.

I hope you are proud.

If you crash into me, I will ensure that you are prosecuted with every available arm of the law. I will then take out a civil action, regardless of cost, and sue you into the next millenium so that every penny you earn is given away to people who are innocent victims of clueless barry boys in their own little world without the emotional maturity to understand the consequences of their actions.

I do not apologise for the rightous anger. But admitting to running unsafe cars and trying to pretend it is OK, is crossing a rubicon and should not be tolerated.

Be in no doubt. ANY car you see which rubs its tyres would fail an MOT and not be properly insured. You are culpable.

Time for the 19 yr olds to grow up IMO.

Some inane pathetic babbling powertrip type stuff, skimmed it tbh as soon as you started arguing based on assumptions that you are saying are facts with no proof, as bad as the Church, and just as intolerant

[toppstuff]

Digitalize said:

toppstuff said:

Edited for accuracy.

HTH

Well done on proving yourself to be immature.

I get that way when I come across someone who apparently shares the same road as me and is driving an unsafe, illegal and uninsured car.

Funny that....

I assume you are smart and mature enough to know that a car rubbing its tyres would fail an MOT? And also that, if involved in an accident, it would have modifications that would void its insurance? You are therefore mature enough, next time you are in such a car, to point out the driver the consequences of his modifications?

No? Thought not.

This goes beyond taste and opinions. It is about the law. Your scene is breaking it, maybe a little, maybe a lot. We cannot generalise. But stance supporters in this thread have already mentioned several real cars they have been in that would have illegal mods and would fail if they were retested.

There is no defence for that.

I am right.

You are wrong.

It is the law. Read it. And man up and take some personal responsibility...

[Agoogy]

toppstuff said:

And for the sake of clarity, let us make sure that everyone understands the following:

1. If a car is so stanced that the tyres rub against the bodywork it would fail an MOT. Therefore the car has been altered for the purposes of the MOT in order to be on the road.

2. If the car has been stanced and would fail its MOT if it was tested again, then chances are the car is NOT covered by insurance. This is also true if the car has undeclared modifications - and lets be clear again, NO INSURANCE CO on the PLANET will approve a car with stretched tires either.

3. Ergo, we have confirmation that there are people here who drive or travel in cars that are, by definition, breaking the law. They are also, by definition, uninsured. Rubbing tyres and stretched tires are, by definition, MOT failures and issues that would void insurance.

don't think anyone would argue with that, but a car that rubs a tyre under load momentarily can be a modified car or a car that's come off the production line, it depends on what sceanrio has made the tyre rub. You could argue that by stancing a car that likelihood has increased, but blimey talk about discussing to the nth degree, what was once a wide reaching point has now become something so minute as to be laughable.

[conkerman]

The main difference between the punters cars coming for MOT and these suspenso-compromised cars is that the general MOT punter doesn't give two hoots about their car as long as it goes and stops.

The stancing brigade 'I personally hate the scene descriptor' is carried out deliberately, with forethought decreasing the ability of a vehicle to safely cope with imperfections in the road surface.

Now I did ask a while ago for someone to explain how they have done this properly with regards to spring/damper rates, sag etc. Some people have kindly replied, but no hard answers have been given, the chap with the Polo used a 'stiffer' kit, and the guy with the hondas car was dragging its arse like a dog with worms, was it setup wrong or were the srrings too soft and you woulnd up the preload to raise the ride height?? Give us the numbers and show your workings out convince us with proper data and some engineering knowledge that this is not making cars dangerous.

Using TUV is disingenuous in the extreme. I am pretty sure that the testing does not include winding the spring platforms down so there is no travel left. Just because you can wind them down so far does not mean you should, hell I could stick my todger in the bacon slicer, but I wouldn't.

[toppstuff]

skene said:

Time for mods to close this thread I think. We obviously aren't allowed to share photos of cars we like the look of on here cause they don't go fast and we care more about how they look than how they perform.

People should not be allowed to show cars that are being driven on the road in contravention of UK law. And people should be taken to task if they disclose on an open forum that they are know of cars that are breaking the law.

Go back to the world you came from. And preferably stay off the road. And when you get your car MOT'd, think twice about changing it AFTER the MOT to a spec you know would have failed it. Somewhere in your head, you know it is wrong. Because it is.

So, yes, close the thread.

[Digitalize]

toppstuff said:

I get that way when I come across someone who apparently shares the same road as me and is driving an unsafe, illegal and uninsured car.

Funny that....

I assume you are smart and mature enough to know that a car rubbing its tyres would fail an MOT? And also that, if involved in an accident, it would have modifications that would void its insurance? You are therefore mature enough, next time you are in such a car, to point out the driver the consequences of his modifications?

No? Thought not.

This goes beyond taste and opinions. It is about the law. Your scene is breaking it, maybe a little, maybe a lot. We cannot generalise. But stance supporters in this thread have already mentioned several real cars they have been in that would have illegal mods and would fail if they were retested.

There is no defence for that.

I am right.

You are wrong.

It is the law. Read it. And man up and take some personal responsibility...

De-cats. Breaking the law, fail MOT, uninsured, I bet a lot of people on PH run them, but it's fine, go and 'BY THE POWER OF THE LAW!' them.

Also, for interest, this is my car as it is currently. For the record, it is not stanced, in anyway shape or form.



Whats that, a 195/50/15 fitted to a 6.5J rim just like it left the factory? Arch gap visible above the tyre?

It scrubs, on the top of the tyre yet doesn't poke, think it's due to Ford not being able to make cars that don't rust, need to adjust the rebound on the coilover it's too soft, and raise the back up a couple turns.

[RB Will]

toppstuff said:

And for the sake of clarity, let us make sure that everyone understands the following:

1. If a car is so stanced that the tyres rub against the bodywork it would fail an MOT. Therefore the car has been altered for the purposes of the MOT in order to be on the road.

2. If the car has been stanced and would fail its MOT if it was tested again, then chances are the car is NOT covered by insurance. This is also true if the car has undeclared modifications - and lets be clear again, NO INSURANCE CO on the PLANET will approve a car with stretched tires either.

3. Ergo, we have confirmation that there are people here who drive or travel in cars that are, by definition, breaking the law. They are also, by definition, uninsured. Rubbing tyres and stretched tires are, by definition, MOT failures and issues that would void insurance.

I hope you are proud.

If you crash into me, I will ensure that you are prosecuted with every available arm of the law. I will then take out a civil action, regardless of cost, and sue you into the next millenium so that every penny you earn is given away to people who are innocent victims of clueless barry boys in their own little world without the emotional maturity to understand the consequences of their actions.

I do not apologise for the rightous anger. But admitting to running unsafe cars and trying to pretend it is OK, is crossing a rubicon and should not be tolerated.

Be in no doubt. ANY car you see which rubs its tyres would fail an MOT and not be properly insured. You are culpable.

1. not true as has been said by stancers in this thread. I also know of people who have tyre scrub occasionally who get through legit MOTs with no problems. MOT will not test the range of the suspension so if the tyre is not rubbing at standstill it wont be flagged as a problem.

2. If your car has no MOT it wont be on the road so wont need insurance.

3. I expect you are indeed one of the people who drives breaking the law. Ever exceeded a speed limit, eaten or drunk anything while driving?

The last statement is just plain wrong, in my experience.
If it states in the MOT guidelines that any tyre scrub is a failure then you have a lot of MOT testers who need to do their jobs better. Maybe educating them would be a better use of your time.

[Agoogy]

the naysayers all ahve a poit I'm beginig to see it.

on that basis we should all stop driving, all of us have broken THE LAW, we should all hand in our licenses. /thread
hypocritical pedants.

[skene]

toppstuff said:

People should not be allowed to show cars that are being driven on the road in contravention of UK law. And people should be taken to task if they disclose on an open forum that they are know of cars that are breaking the law.

Go back to the world you came from. And preferably stay off the road. And when you get your car MOT'd, think twice about changing it AFTER the MOT to a spec you know would have failed it. Somewhere in your head, you know it is wrong. Because it is.

So, yes, close the thread.

Go and bleat to the off road forum then, look how many of them have visible tread patterns poking out of the arches. And as digitalize says, decats etc are the same as you have said. Many people on PH run those. I'd like you to know that my car is not stanced at all, it's tastefully lowered then the geo has been set after that, due to the make up of the suspension some negative camber does exist but it hasn't been enhanced by me.

[Digitalize]

These may be reposts as the photographer is on here, but still.

[Another Fluffer]