VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
Discussion
krunchkin said:
From The Guardian:
Earlier on Thursday, the former UK science minister Lord Drayson admitted that the Labour government’s support for diesel cars had been a mistake, and warned that diesel cars are “literally killing people”.
Just remember thay Drayson is heavily invested in EV technology. He has his own ulterior motive.Earlier on Thursday, the former UK science minister Lord Drayson admitted that the Labour government’s support for diesel cars had been a mistake, and warned that diesel cars are “literally killing people”.
Ali_T said:
krunchkin said:
From The Guardian:
Earlier on Thursday, the former UK science minister Lord Drayson admitted that the Labour government’s support for diesel cars had been a mistake, and warned that diesel cars are “literally killing people”.
Just remember thay Drayson is heavily invested in EV technology. He has his own ulterior motive.Earlier on Thursday, the former UK science minister Lord Drayson admitted that the Labour government’s support for diesel cars had been a mistake, and warned that diesel cars are “literally killing people”.
He is right though that the Government advisors which recommended a shift towards diesels through taxation were wrong simply because the motivator behind it was the man made up global wombling shambles.
Regardless of the situation still of the opinion that people lumping into the diesel haters camp are actually just in the long term helping the ecofeckwits to achieve their aims. Watch them they're going to come after petrol next.
kambites said:
suffolk009 said:
... politican admitted that they got it wrong ...
That's a pleasant and highly uncharacteristic surprise, whatever the circumstances. Don't confuse a politician admitting they they personally got it wrong with a politician admitting that other politicians got it wrong.
krunchkin said:
citizensm1th said:
It was not a labour spokesperson who stated they made a mistake it was an ex government scientist who advised the government who stated that the scientists had advised the government of the time wrongly
PH inconvenient facts don't matter
From The Guardian:PH inconvenient facts don't matter
Earlier on Thursday, the former UK science minister Lord Drayson admitted that the Labour government’s support for diesel cars had been a mistake, and warned that diesel cars are “literally killing people”.
It can't be. That would be laughable.
Willy Nilly said:
Fastdruid said:
Jesus, give the stuck record a break.
We get it that you have a hard-on for diesel. No one is suggesting that petrol gives off only daisy's and kittens but it doesn't give off the same nasty stuff that diesels do and seeing as you like to bang on about the nasty stuff in petrol, how about a look at some of the nasty stuff that comes out of diesels:
Group 3 Carcinogens: acrolein, aniline, chromium compounds, mercury compounds, toluene, xylene isomers and mixtures: o-xylenes, m-xylenes, p-xylenes
Group 2B carcinogens: styrene, nickel, naphthalene, acetaldehyde
Group 2A carcinogens: 1,3-Butadiene,
Group 1 Carcinogens: arsenic, benzene, beryllium compounds, cadmium, formaldehyde, Benzo(a)pyrene
Endocrine disruptors: arsenic, bis(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate, dibutyl phthalate, inorganic lead
Toxic compounds: antimony compounds, biphenyl, chlorobenzene
Then you have one of the strongest carcinogens known 3-Nitrobenzanthrone
Plus some chlorine (a by product of urea injection so going to be more EURO VI)
Then some cyanide compounds, cobalt compounds, cresol isomers, dioxins and dibenzofurans, ethylbenzene, manganese compounds, methanol, methyl ethyl ketone, 4-nitrobiphenyl, phenol, phosphorus, polycyclic organic matter, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), Pyrene, Benzo(e)pyrene, Fluoranthene, propionaldehyde, selenium compounds and sulfur compounds.
That's before you even go into the DEP (Diesel Exhaust Particles) and of course finally good old NOx which is where we started.
yet people are living longer than everWe get it that you have a hard-on for diesel. No one is suggesting that petrol gives off only daisy's and kittens but it doesn't give off the same nasty stuff that diesels do and seeing as you like to bang on about the nasty stuff in petrol, how about a look at some of the nasty stuff that comes out of diesels:
Group 3 Carcinogens: acrolein, aniline, chromium compounds, mercury compounds, toluene, xylene isomers and mixtures: o-xylenes, m-xylenes, p-xylenes
Group 2B carcinogens: styrene, nickel, naphthalene, acetaldehyde
Group 2A carcinogens: 1,3-Butadiene,
Group 1 Carcinogens: arsenic, benzene, beryllium compounds, cadmium, formaldehyde, Benzo(a)pyrene
Endocrine disruptors: arsenic, bis(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate, dibutyl phthalate, inorganic lead
Toxic compounds: antimony compounds, biphenyl, chlorobenzene
Then you have one of the strongest carcinogens known 3-Nitrobenzanthrone
Plus some chlorine (a by product of urea injection so going to be more EURO VI)
Then some cyanide compounds, cobalt compounds, cresol isomers, dioxins and dibenzofurans, ethylbenzene, manganese compounds, methanol, methyl ethyl ketone, 4-nitrobiphenyl, phenol, phosphorus, polycyclic organic matter, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), Pyrene, Benzo(e)pyrene, Fluoranthene, propionaldehyde, selenium compounds and sulfur compounds.
That's before you even go into the DEP (Diesel Exhaust Particles) and of course finally good old NOx which is where we started.
I don't think a 90 year old should worry too much about air pollution in contrast to a child today.
DonkeyApple said:
Plenty of politicians have admitted that Gordon Brown got it all wrong. Plenty hVe admitted that Thatcher got it wrong.
Don't confuse a politician admitting they they personally got it wrong with a politician admitting that other politicians got it wrong.
I'm not sure "admitted" is he right word if you're talking about someone else. Don't confuse a politician admitting they they personally got it wrong with a politician admitting that other politicians got it wrong.
Ali_T said:
In light of the scandal, his made me laugh far more than I should...
https://youtu.be/sx08X0qNRIw
I'm glad he had safety goggles on. https://youtu.be/sx08X0qNRIw
heebeegeetee said:
DonkeyApple said:
Yup. People who didn't grow up surrounded by diesels though. And those who were polluted by earlier industries mostly died off by the end of the 80s
Eh? I was a child of the fifties and sixties. I'm 57.I don't think air quality is going backwards.
I do think air quality is going backwards in terms of rate of improvement and the number of people impacted. We've made massive improvements through the demise of heavy industry, smokeless coal and cats etc but I certainly feel the rate of improvement is slowing.
However clean modern cars are in contrast to the past, the sheer volume of them in cities combined with how much longer average journey times are and the massive urban population growth meaning millions more people are exposed means that air pollution is a major issue.
kambites said:
DonkeyApple said:
Plenty of politicians have admitted that Gordon Brown got it all wrong. Plenty hVe admitted that Thatcher got it wrong.
Don't confuse a politician admitting they they personally got it wrong with a politician admitting that other politicians got it wrong.
I'm not sure "admitted" is he right word if you're talking about someone else. Don't confuse a politician admitting they they personally got it wrong with a politician admitting that other politicians got it wrong.
MarshPhantom said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Condi said:
I suspect it is a very expensive storm in a tea-cup, and in 12 months time there will be little affect on brand appeal or used values of VAG cars.
^^^ Yup.I wouldn't necessarily buy a EA189 car in the next few weeks but those engines are discontinued anyway.
funkyrobot said:
Forgot to say that I heard a lawyer yabbering away on the news last night. Apparently, she already represents 500 affected customers and is after damages and compo.
She stated that her clients had bought these cars because they wanted 'cleaner' vehicles. The fact that they aren't so clean is the major issue. She will be pursuing the refund of the 'premium' paid for the vehicle, and compensation for any damages caused by the fix.
Link to the "Yabbering Lawyer"She stated that her clients had bought these cars because they wanted 'cleaner' vehicles. The fact that they aren't so clean is the major issue. She will be pursuing the refund of the 'premium' paid for the vehicle, and compensation for any damages caused by the fix.
http://www.leighday.co.uk/News/2015/September-2015...
Aprisa said:
funkyrobot said:
Forgot to say that I heard a lawyer yabbering away on the news last night. Apparently, she already represents 500 affected customers and is after damages and compo.
She stated that her clients had bought these cars because they wanted 'cleaner' vehicles. The fact that they aren't so clean is the major issue. She will be pursuing the refund of the 'premium' paid for the vehicle, and compensation for any damages caused by the fix.
Link to the "Yabbering Lawyer"She stated that her clients had bought these cars because they wanted 'cleaner' vehicles. The fact that they aren't so clean is the major issue. She will be pursuing the refund of the 'premium' paid for the vehicle, and compensation for any damages caused by the fix.
http://www.leighday.co.uk/News/2015/September-2015...
tumble dryer said:
First they took our deisels...
Can you not see the head of steam gathering?
I have repeatedly tried to state this on this particular thread, but it seems that some here prefer infighting with other motorists who happen to use a different fuel to them, rather than support the cause of motoring generally, against the ecof*ckwits. One has to wonder whether they are ecof*ckwit implants, or they are genuinely that short sighted. It seems they will think that way, until `their' particular car type is banned.Can you not see the head of steam gathering?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd October 10:19
MarshPhantom said:
So you'd both buy a new VW in the next few weeks?
Well frankly I'd never have been daft enough to buy a VW diesel in the first place. But if I did want one, yes, I probably would buy now. It should be possible to negotiate a good price and any issues would be easily sorted out under the warranty. You could even insist on writing it into the sale contract.
Ozzie Osmond said:
MarshPhantom said:
So you'd both buy a new VW in the next few weeks?
Well frankly I'd never have been daft enough to buy a VW diesel in the first place. But if I did want one, yes, I probably would buy now. It should be possible to negotiate a good price and any issues would be easily sorted out under the warranty. You could even insist on writing it into the sale contract.
Ozzie Osmond said:
MarshPhantom said:
So you'd both buy a new VW in the next few weeks?
Well frankly I'd never have been daft enough to buy a VW diesel in the first place. But if I did want one, yes, I probably would buy now. It should be possible to negotiate a good price and any issues would be easily sorted out under the warranty. You could even insist on writing it into the sale contract.
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