RE: SOTW: Saab 9-5 Aero HOT
Discussion
Mr E said:
Then it was broken.
A HOT on overboost in 3rd cog is a genuinely rapid thing. If I was in a previous banzai turbo nutter wagon at 50mph I suspect I may have been enabarrised.
On a fast lane motorway roll, I suspect it would give the Elise something to think about.
Just to confirm the Aero is torque restricted in first and second gears so the overboost is not present until 3rd? Ours just touches the red in 2nd, not sure about 3rd.A HOT on overboost in 3rd cog is a genuinely rapid thing. If I was in a previous banzai turbo nutter wagon at 50mph I suspect I may have been enabarrised.
On a fast lane motorway roll, I suspect it would give the Elise something to think about.
Fabulous shed. I have a 2003MY that's nearly identical, except it's a manual. With a stage 1 chip (275bhp, 315 lb/ft), it's a genuinely rapid thing. If you want to go further, there's a great community on uksaabs to join and find knowledge in, a few people on there have them running 400bhp+. They are also not that heavy compared to modern metal - mine was weighed as 1660kg with me, my work bag and half a tank of fuel in it - not bad for a large car. Add excellent comfort, loads of kit, 30mpg, good reliability and q-car anonymity, what's not to like? The only bad thing I can think of is they are not for "traffic light grand prix" merchants - FWD with torque limiters on first and second gears means much slower cars can keep pace until you finally get it into third and disappear!
I normally chop and change cars, but mine's been here a year now and I can see it staying. A refresh of the suspension from the Abbot Racing catalogue and perhaps a quaife LSD would make it a very fine car indeed.
I normally chop and change cars, but mine's been here a year now and I can see it staying. A refresh of the suspension from the Abbot Racing catalogue and perhaps a quaife LSD would make it a very fine car indeed.
v8will said:
I'm currently running a 2000 9-5 LPT which I picked up last Feb for £500.
Great car, excellent seats, well finished and plenty of room. Sure I could spend a few quid on it to tighten things up a little, won't be making that decision until MOT time in September.
Easily one of the best sheds I've owned.
Get yourself on to UKSAABS and you may find that a very affordable chip could see you with considerably more horsepower - the LPT's tune very, very well...Great car, excellent seats, well finished and plenty of room. Sure I could spend a few quid on it to tighten things up a little, won't be making that decision until MOT time in September.
Easily one of the best sheds I've owned.
nicfaz said:
Get yourself on to UKSAABS and you may find that a very affordable chip could see you with considerably more horsepower - the LPT's tune very, very well...
I've already picked up a spare turbo from one of the forum members and am aware of Noobtune etc. On the cards when I get the new tubby fitted.rmcoboy said:
Lotta car to waft around in for a grand. Saabs have the comfiest seats in the world - fact.
Wouldn't disagree with your assessment of the car ...... but I'd wager that the leather chairs in either (or both) the Alfa 147 2.0 Selespeed or the Honda Accord Executive might give the seats in the SAAB a run for their money!
I WISH said:
Wouldn't disagree with your assessment of the car ...... but I'd wager that the leather chairs in either (or both) the Alfa 147 2.0 Selespeed or the Honda Accord Executive might give the seats in the SAAB a run for their money!
The seats in our aero are better (to my arse and back) than the momo leather in our 156.Im on my 2nd Saab, looking for a 9-5 saloon but not just yet.
My first Saab (which was my 2nd, after a Fiesta mk4) was a 9-3 with Viggen body kit and stage 1 map from SaabNoob, running 220bhp. Was very quick (well too me)!!
Engine started to seize and I didn't have the money at the time to sort it....
Picked up a 9-5 estate LPT for £400!! 12months MOT and 5months tax. Slower than the 9-3 but a perfect stop gap whilst I save for something else.
My friends laughed at them until I took them out in it (well the 9-3, not the 9-5).
My first Saab (which was my 2nd, after a Fiesta mk4) was a 9-3 with Viggen body kit and stage 1 map from SaabNoob, running 220bhp. Was very quick (well too me)!!
Engine started to seize and I didn't have the money at the time to sort it....
Picked up a 9-5 estate LPT for £400!! 12months MOT and 5months tax. Slower than the 9-3 but a perfect stop gap whilst I save for something else.
My friends laughed at them until I took them out in it (well the 9-3, not the 9-5).
v8will said:
Cosworth750 said:
What is Noobtune out of interest?
It's the home brew remaps by a guy on one of the Saab forums. Actually very well regarded from what I can see.The Trionic engine management software on Saabs was cracked a few years ago and it is easy to re-map the cars provided you know what you are doing when adjusting parameters in the software.
The 9000, NG900 and 9-3's until mid 2000 had T5 management and those engines are good for about 450bhp on standard internals, there are quite a few chaps on UKS who can re-map those. The 9-3 from mid 2000 until 2002 (2003 for the vert) and the 9-5 run on T7 management which can provide better boost management than T5, however the engines are only good for 320bhp tops before needing forged pistons or a bottom end from the T5 cars fitted. SaabNoob is the go to guy for the T7 stuff, you can also have live info on the Saab Info Display (SID) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyr7ezhzPc4
He also does the later 9-3 on T8 software, tht is trickier to do, and he must have the car present to do it, unlike the the T5/T7 stuff were you can just send the ecu off.
Edited by stevoknevo on Sunday 6th January 16:15
stevoknevo said:
v8will said:
Cosworth750 said:
What is Noobtune out of interest?
It's the home brew remaps by a guy on one of the Saab forums. Actually very well regarded from what I can see.The Trionic engine management software on Saabs was cracked a few years ago and it is easy to re-map the cars provided you know what you are doing when adjusting parameters in the software.
The 9000, NG900 and 9-3's until mid 2000 had T5 management and those engines are good for about 450bhp on standard internals, there are quite a few chaps on UKS who can re-map those. The 9-3 from mid 2000 until 2002 (2003 for the vert) and the 9-5 run on T7 management which can provide better boost management than T5, however the engines are only good for 320bhp tops before needing forged pistons or a bottom end from the T5 cars fitted. SaabNoob is the go to guy for the T7 stuff, you can also have live info on the Saab Info Display (SID) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyr7ezhzPc4
He also does the later 9-3 on T8 software, tht is trickier to do, and he must have the car present to do it, unlike the the T5/T7 stuff were you can just send the ecu off.
Edited by stevoknevo on Sunday 6th January 16:15
) Karl can put different maps on standard and Sport settings on T7s so you can get the best of both performance & economy. (I haven't misremembered this, have I?)Bonefish Blues said:
stevoknevo said:
v8will said:
Cosworth750 said:
What is Noobtune out of interest?
It's the home brew remaps by a guy on one of the Saab forums. Actually very well regarded from what I can see.The Trionic engine management software on Saabs was cracked a few years ago and it is easy to re-map the cars provided you know what you are doing when adjusting parameters in the software.
The 9000, NG900 and 9-3's until mid 2000 had T5 management and those engines are good for about 450bhp on standard internals, there are quite a few chaps on UKS who can re-map those. The 9-3 from mid 2000 until 2002 (2003 for the vert) and the 9-5 run on T7 management which can provide better boost management than T5, however the engines are only good for 320bhp tops before needing forged pistons or a bottom end from the T5 cars fitted. SaabNoob is the go to guy for the T7 stuff, you can also have live info on the Saab Info Display (SID) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyr7ezhzPc4
He also does the later 9-3 on T8 software, tht is trickier to do, and he must have the car present to do it, unlike the the T5/T7 stuff were you can just send the ecu off.
Edited by stevoknevo on Sunday 6th January 16:15
) Karl can put different maps on standard and Sport settings on T7s so you can get the best of both performance & economy. (I haven't misremembered this, have I?)
Anyway to reach him?
Apache said:
cvega said:
interesting shed, always had a soft spot for saabs, but never bought one, and now Saab is dead. realistically, how long before it becomes hard / expensive to source parts?
any recommended specialists in the east midlands?
These guys are going to take care of my 9000 upgrades, what they don't know aint worth knowingany recommended specialists in the east midlands?
http://www.2strokesaab.com/
Gorilla Boy said:
I need to get into contact with saabnoob at some point for my 9-3 Aero.
Anyway to reach him?
saabnoobtune@gmail.comAnyway to reach him?
karl@noobtune.co.uk
Or look for him in the performance section of www.uksaabs.co.uk
Great cars these.
I took a chance on a 3.0TiD a few years back when I was doing big miles. Paid five grand for it at 59k miles. Had the first service done at the main stealer and when I picked it up they gave me a list of recommended jobs totalling nearly 2k. I ignored the list and drove it for two years without it missing a beat, although the suspension was starting to creak a bit when I sold it for fifteen hundred pounds with 159k on it. It averaged just under 40 MPG, had an intoxicating V6 growl and felt really lively. Above all else, it was very, very comfortable. The XJ8 I replaced it with when my mileage dropped might have looked plusher inside, but the truth is that the only seats I have ever had that matched it were in a Volvo S80 and a W140 S Class Mercedes and that is praise indeed. If I needed another budget workhorse to crush big journeys, another 9-5 would be a serious contender. Perhaps I was lucky with my 3.0, or perhaps it's proof that like most cars, they are best when they are driven. That being said, I think the Aero or a 1.9 oil burner are the pick of the range. Top shed anyway, I'd be amazed if it isn't sold already.
I took a chance on a 3.0TiD a few years back when I was doing big miles. Paid five grand for it at 59k miles. Had the first service done at the main stealer and when I picked it up they gave me a list of recommended jobs totalling nearly 2k. I ignored the list and drove it for two years without it missing a beat, although the suspension was starting to creak a bit when I sold it for fifteen hundred pounds with 159k on it. It averaged just under 40 MPG, had an intoxicating V6 growl and felt really lively. Above all else, it was very, very comfortable. The XJ8 I replaced it with when my mileage dropped might have looked plusher inside, but the truth is that the only seats I have ever had that matched it were in a Volvo S80 and a W140 S Class Mercedes and that is praise indeed. If I needed another budget workhorse to crush big journeys, another 9-5 would be a serious contender. Perhaps I was lucky with my 3.0, or perhaps it's proof that like most cars, they are best when they are driven. That being said, I think the Aero or a 1.9 oil burner are the pick of the range. Top shed anyway, I'd be amazed if it isn't sold already.
cvega said:
realistically, how long before it becomes hard / expensive to source parts?
Shouldn't really be an issue. A seperate Saab parts company has continued to supply parts since the end of Saab cars, and is likely to do so for the foresable future.cvega said:
any recommended specialists in the east midlands?
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