Golf Mk7 - Sweetspot for price, spec, performance?
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All you've done is show that fuel is expensive 
It would only be a meaningful point if you compared that cost to doing the same miles in a less fun car. It then becomes a matter of about £1000 to drive a Golf R over something dull. Not a lot of money in the context of motoring costs at large.
It would only be a meaningful point if you compared that cost to doing the same miles in a less fun car. It then becomes a matter of about £1000 to drive a Golf R over something dull. Not a lot of money in the context of motoring costs at large.
My, at the time brand new not even run-in, R returned 33mpg at a steady 80mph cruise across half of France. I'd imagine it'd be slightly better now it's run in. I think we have an average of about 28mpg. I wasted a few quid and put options on it, but I'll spend under £10k in two years for a well specified car.
Nevertheless, for most people, most of the time, the GTi is probably as good as the R (and better looking to my eyes).
Enormous boot on the vRS though, which might be handy for some.
As to the fun part, I rate the Golf - it's not a Porsche, but it's still a fun car to punt along, and you can switch out the electronics which is nice. Anyway, I shan't discuss that more as it's been done to death on here - but I will say this, I have actually driven the f
king thing, unlike many!
Nevertheless, for most people, most of the time, the GTi is probably as good as the R (and better looking to my eyes).
Enormous boot on the vRS though, which might be handy for some.
As to the fun part, I rate the Golf - it's not a Porsche, but it's still a fun car to punt along, and you can switch out the electronics which is nice. Anyway, I shan't discuss that more as it's been done to death on here - but I will say this, I have actually driven the f
king thing, unlike many!superlightr said:
Blown2CV said:
Anyway, all of that is horsest, because you won't find a car that fast that can return anything like that economy, and if you're balking at £70 a week in fuel, I'm not quite sure what car is for you. Probably something a lot more boring.
330d chipped? t, because you won't find a car that fast that can return anything like that economy, and if you're balking at £70 a week in fuel, I'm not quite sure what car is for you. Probably something a lot more boring. 
nunpuncher said:
I'm getting old because the concept of paying £6.5k over 2 years and owning fk all at the end of it fills me with dread.
whereas buying it cash for £33k and then selling it in 2 years for £20k is fine? I know the argument often used by the cash disciples on here when leases come up, but this is one of the few deals where cash buyers just don't have a leg to stand on. Oh but it's important to own it, i mean it just is, isn't it? I can't think of a reason why... but it just is.k all at the end of it fills me with dread.StottyEvo said:
It depends what car you're coming from, I use an Evo as a daily. I'd exepct the Golf R to be the same on fuel with daily use (despite claiming 40mpg to the Evo's 22 
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Hi Stotty, I genuinely get about 27ish on the ~20 mile DD driving style mixture, country lane -> M25 -> trading estate. As with the Evo though it is tempting to floor it often to break up the boredom, then it plummets.)Blown2CV said:
whereas buying it cash for £33k and then selling it in 2 years for £20k is fine? I know the argument often used by the cash disciples on here when leases come up, but this is one of the few deals where cash buyers just don't have a leg to stand on. Oh but it's important to own it, i mean it just is, isn't it? I can't think of a reason why... but it just is.
Unfortunately I agree, I didn't even look at the lease deals and have been mugged off accordingly (my stupidity)OldBob said:
Blown2CV said:
whereas buying it cash for £33k and then selling it in 2 years for £20k is fine? I know the argument often used by the cash disciples on here when leases come up, but this is one of the few deals where cash buyers just don't have a leg to stand on. Oh but it's important to own it, i mean it just is, isn't it? I can't think of a reason why... but it just is.
Unfortunately I agree, I didn't even look at the lease deals and have been mugged off accordingly (my stupidity)nunpuncher said:
I'm getting old because the concept of paying £6.5k over 2 years and owning fk all at the end of it fills me with dread.
I don't really get this attitude. Some people pay £100+ a month on Sky TV, some people spends hundreds of pounds dining out each week, some people spend hundreds of pounds attending football matches every weekend. If you can afford it and it gives you pleasure then why not?k all at the end of it fills me with dread.Glosphil said:
neil1jnr said:
I think the main disadvantage of DSG is when braking hard and going down the gears, you just don't feel that you are in much control as you would in a manual.
With that style of driving I assume (hope) you were on a track. Don't think this thread is about track cars.andrewparker said:
I don't really get this attitude. Some people pay £100+ a month on Sky TV, some people spends hundreds of pounds dining out each week, some people spend hundreds of pounds attending football matches every weekend. If you can afford it and it gives you pleasure then why not?
I guess I can't afford it.andrewparker said:
I just find it really strange that on a site presumed to be populated by petrol heads, car ownership is so often seen as a cost cutting exercise.
is it that, or is the case of same car, 2 different ways to purchase, one vastly more expensive than the other, so why would you not go for the other one?andrewparker said:
I think it's more the "paying all that money and getting nothing back at the end" line that grates. But anyway, this thread isn't about the merits and pitfalls of leasing, some people get it, some don't.
it's weird isn't it. If the thing that you have 'bought' at the end somehow represented a decent return on investment then i could understand it, however it doesn't. It's depreciated considerably, so cars are a wonderfully poor investment... what's to be gained from owning? The thing that you own for the money you paid is simply the ability to drive that car for 2-3 years. It's like banging head against a brick wall on here sometimes with some people! It's simple to me... assuming you sell after 3 years, with cash you've paid for precisely the depreciation. With lease you've paid either more or less than the depreciation, and it's fun to play the game to try and 'beat the system' and nab a deal where you pay less than cash buyers.
Blown2CV said:
it's weird isn't it. If the thing that you have 'bought' at the end somehow represented a decent return on investment then i could understand it, however it doesn't. It's depreciated considerably, so cars are a wonderfully poor investment... what's to be gained from owning? The thing that you own for the money you paid is simply the ability to drive that car for 2-3 years.
It's like banging head against a brick wall on here sometimes with some people! It's simple to me... assuming you sell after 3 years, with cash you've paid for precisely the depreciation. With lease you've paid either more or less than the depreciation, and it's fun to play the game to try and 'beat the system' and nab a deal where you pay less than cash buyers.
Exactly. Usually you pay a fair bit more on a lease, but it has countervailing benefits such as retaining your capital, certainty, etcIt's like banging head against a brick wall on here sometimes with some people! It's simple to me... assuming you sell after 3 years, with cash you've paid for precisely the depreciation. With lease you've paid either more or less than the depreciation, and it's fun to play the game to try and 'beat the system' and nab a deal where you pay less than cash buyers.
In some cases, as you say, it is simply cheaper. It shouldn't be, rationally, but sometimes it is. I've no idea why VW are giving Rs away to lease companies, but they must be to explain some of the deals!
Car manufacturers move in mysterious ways. I suspect it's something to do with the hot hatch rivalry with BMW over the 135i at launch. They might want to demonstrate the golf's sales trounced the Beemer, or something. Clearly it would be fabricated to those in the know, but that gets lost in history.
Blown2CV said:
it's weird isn't it. If the thing that you have 'bought' at the end somehow represented a decent return on investment then i could understand it, however it doesn't. It's depreciated considerably, so cars are a wonderfully poor investment... what's to be gained from owning?
It depreciates whether you own it or not, that makes no difference. I am yet to find a lease deal that costs less than depreciation but maybe I have been unlucky. Or very lucky.The other thing is : how do you track a lease car ?
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