RE: Porsche 718 Boxster - full details
Discussion
I seem to remember one of the reasons the journos were not that impressed by the alfa 4c was because it had a 4 pot motor, now Porsche has done the same thing.
I tend to agree, what makes a Porsche stand out from the crowd is the flat six engine, turbocharged or not.
I'm sure this one will be faster but without a "special" engine why would you pay the premium for one.
I tend to agree, what makes a Porsche stand out from the crowd is the flat six engine, turbocharged or not.
I'm sure this one will be faster but without a "special" engine why would you pay the premium for one.
anonymous said:
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Likewise. Pretty much every day.Whilst I'm occasionally frustrated with my measly 158 lb ft in my daily driver (the nice car at least has >200 lb ft, so I don't always slum it
), it's a very worthwhile trade-off for the hilarious top-end fireworks, the sublime sound, and the razor-sharp responsiveness....and whilst I may trade some of those away in the daily driver in the future (I suspect I'll have no choice!
), there's no way on this earth I'll sacrifice those in the weekend toy.BTW - those forecast power/torque graphs - the 991 -S looks to have an almost (old-school binary) VTEC-like torque curve, except with the step a couple of k lower. Anyone know why that is?
havoc said:
BTW - those forecast power/torque graphs - the 991 -S looks to have an almost (old-school binary) VTEC-like torque curve, except with the step a couple of k lower. Anyone know why that is?
Some sort of emissions testing threshold? I remember bikes often came with a flatspot in the 5000-5500rpm area as standard for some reason like that.anonymous said:
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I'm looking at the original curve on this chart:-EricE said:
and torque
...which shows ~90% torque from a little over 2,000rpm, then that last 10% spike at 4,500rpm, preceded by a very-slight dip and then tailing off after 6,000rpm.Increase those figures by 30-40% each and you've got a very close mirror of the curve of a DC2-R or similar-era Honda - first torque plateau at <3,000rpm, flat until ~5,600rpm when the second cam-lobes kick-in and bump torque up to the second plateau, which is flat until c.7,500rpm...
e.g. red line here...
You're going to look a typical show-off 'Prat In a Porsche' & 'Berk in a Boxster' every time that rear spoiler comes up & shouts "Hey look at me, in case you didn't know or are too thick I'M A PORSCHE".
What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
WJNB said:
You're going to look a typical show-off 'Prat In a Porsche' & 'Berk in a Boxster' every time that rear spoiler comes up & shouts "Hey look at me, in case you didn't know or are too thick I'M A PORSCHE".
What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
Thats only an issue if you care what people think about what car you drive and that you are bothered about what people think of you for driving said car.What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
WJNB said:
You're going to look a typical show-off 'Prat In a Porsche' & 'Berk in a Boxster' every time that rear spoiler comes up & shouts "Hey look at me, in case you didn't know or are too thick I'M A PORSCHE".
What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
It's just a bit of fun really. What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
Torque curve of a diesel = diesel driving experience?
The point of a sports car is to wring it's neck when you feel like it.
For me this moves it closer to the tt. Yes it will be wonderfully made and will handle wonderfully. It will steer as well as any other car with electrics in the steering gear.
But it will still be a four cylinder, turbo, tuned like a diesel for economy and emissions. Not enjoyment!
Does it have a 'sound generator'.
Off to pat my 987.2 2.9 in fact I might just go and start it to listen to it's character at idle.
The point of a sports car is to wring it's neck when you feel like it.
For me this moves it closer to the tt. Yes it will be wonderfully made and will handle wonderfully. It will steer as well as any other car with electrics in the steering gear.
But it will still be a four cylinder, turbo, tuned like a diesel for economy and emissions. Not enjoyment!
Does it have a 'sound generator'.
Off to pat my 987.2 2.9 in fact I might just go and start it to listen to it's character at idle.
kultsch88 said:
How are used prices likely to behave for the previous generations because of the turbo units?
I guess you'd expect them to soil themselves as everyone rushes to get the latest, better version. Then after a while, dealers will start marketing them as very special NA 6 cars and prices will go through the roof and all of PH will lament having sold their bit of history. 
On a slightly separate issue, as all this downsizing is fundamentally driven by taxation and as you typically get bigger power figures from increasing cc as well as from technology advances, does this new generation of cars which are chasing smaller cc going to mean an end to the last decade of massive bhp competition?
WJNB said:
You're going to look a typical show-off 'Prat In a Porsche' & 'Berk in a Boxster' every time that rear spoiler comes up & shouts "Hey look at me, in case you didn't know or are too thick I'M A PORSCHE".
What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
Why? Do people actually think like that? Are they so simple minded and bitter about their own life that they project their own misery on to others.What next, an illuminated option? Imagine then the thoughts of a following motorist as the spoiler goes up & down as traffic & conditions influence the rate of progress, it will be like a neon sign, in fact that will be the effect illuminated or not.
And even if they do, who cares.
Krobar said:
UK Configurator is up. Looks like the they are now including Sound Pack Plus, Bluetooth and a proper head unit as standard. Still have to pay for DAB though!
£59k for my personal spec:Boxster S
Grey - (What is up with the colour choises?! I want a deep blue dammit!)
Carrera Sport rims
Black & Beige dual leather interior
Sport Plus seats
Seat Ventilation
Nav
Parking front and rear
It's a lot of money.
anonymous said:
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I don't believe that anybody in this thread is making that argument.I do think it's amazing how far, in terms of engineering, the internal combustion engine has evolved. Despite the rise of EVs, I expect the ICE to evolve further -- on its own and in hybrid (electrical / petrol) form. The ICE will be present for longer than most of us here today.
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