RE: MG Cyberster revealed ahead of UK debut in 2024
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There is a sad thing about electric cars which means that they turn even the most hardcore drivers into accountants. So please read the next few lines in a dreadful nasal tone.
This is the only two seat sports car which qualifies for the electric car Benefit In Kind discount. That's no longer 0%, but it is 2% so if you are paying 40% (or a powerfully built 45%) and can have it as a company car it's very attractive.
Simon
This is the only two seat sports car which qualifies for the electric car Benefit In Kind discount. That's no longer 0%, but it is 2% so if you are paying 40% (or a powerfully built 45%) and can have it as a company car it's very attractive.
Simon
Muddle238 said:
Evil.soup said:
China isn't to blame, its just behind the Times and the west have happily kept it there for the sake of western economy but will complain about it all the same. I wonder how many western economies would crumble over night if China stood up and embraced western human rights, policies and pay structures?
It would probably benefit Western economies.
The reason why everything is outsourced to China is because it's cheap. The reason it's cheap is because of their lack of adherence to human rights, just policies and fair pay structures. If they adopted a Western style of doing things, their USP of being able to undercut everyone else in a domain where money talks would vanish.
Often Chinese goods are of poor quality but are tolerated because they're cheap; when it breaks it's cheap to replace. If the same products were more expensive due to a higher manufacturing cost, there'd be far less incentive to import stuff from China. That would benefit economies outside of China.
That said, it is possible that such a situation would boost the economy in the long term as manufactures would have to invest in developing at home, but there would be a world of pain before that happened and I think we would lose a lot of the small manufacturers that don't have the funds to buy in local economies and don't have a customer base who could suck up cost increases. Many businesses only exist because they can produce things people don't need cheaply.
If they can't produce the things we don't actually need but want, at a reasonable cost, people won't buy them.
Muddle238 said:
It would probably benefit Western economies.
The reason why everything is outsourced to China is because it's cheap. The reason it's cheap is because of their lack of adherence to human rights, just policies and fair pay structures. If they adopted a Western style of doing things, their USP of being able to undercut everyone else in a domain where money talks would vanish.
Often Chinese goods are of poor quality but are tolerated because they're cheap; when it breaks it's cheap to replace. If the same products were more expensive due to a higher manufacturing cost, there'd be far less incentive to import stuff from China. That would benefit economies outside of China.
Second para, arguably correct yet that does depend on what is desired. With proper oversight the factories can turn out quality. But as you observe, the cost increases significantly. The reason why everything is outsourced to China is because it's cheap. The reason it's cheap is because of their lack of adherence to human rights, just policies and fair pay structures. If they adopted a Western style of doing things, their USP of being able to undercut everyone else in a domain where money talks would vanish.
Often Chinese goods are of poor quality but are tolerated because they're cheap; when it breaks it's cheap to replace. If the same products were more expensive due to a higher manufacturing cost, there'd be far less incentive to import stuff from China. That would benefit economies outside of China.
Re the first para, that's not specifically true. Having been to some factories in China they come over as far superior work environments to many industrial processes I've visited in the U.K. The workers also live in properties that can be leagues ahead of the accommodation some U.K. workers live in.
Let's put it this way, plenty of minimum wage, U.K. factory workers would feel quite offended if they saw how some of their counterparts in China, which they love to believe they're superior to, are living.
That's not to say there aren't issues as there clearly are but it's certainly not clear cut as some make out.
I'd much rather be one of Musk's meat unit Chinese slaves in his Chinese factory than a Mexican trapped in one of his US detention facilities.
Something that some Brits do need to begin to accept is that a lot of Asian competitive advantage does stem from the workers being able to turn up on time and do a full day's work. Same with German competitiveness. When people turn up when agreed and do the agreed amount of work then production increases. The fundamental issue in the U.K. is the money required to achieve that and how that makes it uncompetitive.
The Citroen DS is often mentioned as a car which would lose nothing worth having in conversion to EV.
Personally, I'd say pretty much any DSG turbo four, but that's probably my personal dislike of them.
Anything where the point of the car is that you don't hear the engine - are Rolls Royces soulless?
Personally, I'd say pretty much any DSG turbo four, but that's probably my personal dislike of them.
Anything where the point of the car is that you don't hear the engine - are Rolls Royces soulless?
otolith said:
The Citroen DS is often mentioned as a car which would lose nothing worth having in conversion to EV.
Personally, I'd say pretty much any DSG turbo four, but that's probably my personal dislike of them.
Anything where the point of the car is that you don't hear the engine - are Rolls Royces soulless?
I have to agree, I have been rather disillusioned for a number of years with the point and shoot auto box big power cars. That applies to even the stuff with an interesting engine. Personally, I'd say pretty much any DSG turbo four, but that's probably my personal dislike of them.
Anything where the point of the car is that you don't hear the engine - are Rolls Royces soulless?
There are 2 types of driving, driving for enjoyment and driving for transport. EV's have their place in terms of easy going transport, but any car I drive for pleasure needs to have driver involvement, changing gear, timing your changes perfectly, selecting the right gear for a corner, rev matching, it's all part of the enjoyment for me.
I am growing to accept we will have sports car style EV's and that the majority of drivers will be happy to own them with their limited involvement and driver aids.
I like the look of this MG and it is good to see that there are manufacturers trying to make something interesting in the EV world that might just be worth owning for pleasure, not just for transport.
pheonix478 said:
stevie777777 said:
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If people are going to refuse to buy a car "because its Chinese etc" - your choice of course - but then that removes most of the modern cars from your choice - where do most of the electrical components / chips / batteries come from ?? and while you're at - don't buy any smartphones / satnavs / speakers etc....
If people are going to refuse to buy a car "because its Chinese etc" - your choice of course - but then that removes most of the modern cars from your choice - where do most of the electrical components / chips / batteries come from ?? and while you're at - don't buy any smartphones / satnavs / speakers etc....
You don't see any difference between spending 50k 100% of which goes to the Chinese government (who are economically, strategically and now militarily aligned against us) and 50k on a non-Chinese car maybe 2-3k of which goes to China for cheap IC's, sensors and LCD's? Incidentally, the IP of the latter is mostly owned by western OEM suppliers. "While we're at it", yes you can make an effort to not buy Chinese made consumer goods, I do, but in any event again large difference between a whole car and a speaker. Not always possible to avoid of course and sometimes just impossible to know but in the case of MG, you know full well.
Evil.soup said:
otolith said:
The Citroen DS is often mentioned as a car which would lose nothing worth having in conversion to EV.
Personally, I'd say pretty much any DSG turbo four, but that's probably my personal dislike of them.
Anything where the point of the car is that you don't hear the engine - are Rolls Royces soulless?
I have to agree, I have been rather disillusioned for a number of years with the point and shoot auto box big power cars. That applies to even the stuff with an interesting engine. Personally, I'd say pretty much any DSG turbo four, but that's probably my personal dislike of them.
Anything where the point of the car is that you don't hear the engine - are Rolls Royces soulless?
There are 2 types of driving, driving for enjoyment and driving for transport. EV's have their place in terms of easy going transport, but any car I drive for pleasure needs to have driver involvement, changing gear, timing your changes perfectly, selecting the right gear for a corner, rev matching, it's all part of the enjoyment for me.
I am growing to accept we will have sports car style EV's and that the majority of drivers will be happy to own them with their limited involvement and driver aids.
I like the look of this MG and it is good to see that there are manufacturers trying to make something interesting in the EV world that might just be worth owning for pleasure, not just for transport.
carlo996 said:
otolith said:
Doesn't seem to put you off the Nissan GTR.
1600kg or so. How many EV’s are the same weight? https://www.topgear.com/car-news/top-gear-magazine...
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