RE: 2024 Rolls-Royce Spectre | UK Review
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Dombilano said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
That is the old model. The new Taycan has only just been released.
I had a 2021 version 4S. Not too shabby. Other than cars like the Atom, BAC Mono, Caterham etc. for everyday personal transport the EV is already on par with most ICEs but quicker and still developing rapidly.
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
That is the old model. The new Taycan has only just been released.
I had a 2021 version 4S. Not too shabby. Other than cars like the Atom, BAC Mono, Caterham etc. for everyday personal transport the EV is already on par with most ICEs but quicker and still developing rapidly.
Dombilano said:
Or perhaps you can keep your backhanded insults to someone who cares.
Not nice = heavy, slow past 100mph, cheap seats, duff brakes. Do you want a full review or just being facetious?
No that is fine. Not nice = heavy, slow past 100mph, cheap seats, duff brakes. Do you want a full review or just being facetious?
Who cares how fast it accelerates past 100mph. Only a complete idiot does that sort of driving on UK roads.
Can't comment about anything else as I do not know which particular Polestar to which you refer. There is a 2, 3 and 4 model.
Dombilano said:
Calm down, your point is irrelevant
I'm perfectly calm. Irrelevant to you maybe.
I still don't understand how a person who drives a 3 series estate, nice car as that maybe, expects a Rolls Royce to be created less than 250kg more.
BMW 4633mm X Width 2031mm x 1429mm H Rolls Royce 5,475 mm L x 2,220 mm W x 1,573 mm H.. It simply doesn't make sense.
Is really silent or does it make those irritating squee noises most battery cars do?
There was something of the witchcraft about the silence of a combustion engine in the old rolls although Toyota seemed to achieve it with 90s sedans too.
Looks like a bit of a dog's dinner too but then most new cars do. A bit try-hard, but give the dustbin lid wheels back to the hi riser boys and with a few tweaks it'd have the sense of imperious they got lost trying to find.
There was something of the witchcraft about the silence of a combustion engine in the old rolls although Toyota seemed to achieve it with 90s sedans too.
Looks like a bit of a dog's dinner too but then most new cars do. A bit try-hard, but give the dustbin lid wheels back to the hi riser boys and with a few tweaks it'd have the sense of imperious they got lost trying to find.
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
Calm down, your point is irrelevant
I'm perfectly calm. Irrelevant to you maybe.
I still don't understand how a person who drives a 3 series estate, nice car as that maybe, expects a Rolls Royce to be created less than 250kg more.
BMW 4633mm X Width 2031mm x 1429mm H Rolls Royce 5,475 mm L x 2,220 mm W x 1,573 mm H.. It simply doesn't make sense.
I'm not the target market for a roller aside from my own weight, but for EVs in general they need to lose weight, but it's years away from happening. I'm just not going to accept engineers having to work around a problem that shouldn't exist.
Dombilano said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
Calm down, your point is irrelevant
I'm perfectly calm. Irrelevant to you maybe.
I still don't understand how a person who drives a 3 series estate, nice car as that maybe, expects a Rolls Royce to be created less than 250kg more.
BMW 4633mm X Width 2031mm x 1429mm H Rolls Royce 5,475 mm L x 2,220 mm W x 1,573 mm H.. It simply doesn't make sense.
I'm not the target market for a roller aside from my own weight, but for EVs in general they need to lose weight, but it's years away from happening. I'm just not going to accept engineers having to work around a problem that shouldn't exist.
My EV weight 1350 kg so considerably lighter than both of your cars.
I'm fortunate having studied Mech. engineering at least appreciate that whilst less weight would be good the additional weight of an EV is not and problematic as you may think it is. The location and distribution of that weight allows an EV to have a low CoG and less polar moment of inertia.
https://www.emobility-engineering.com/ev-dynamics/
Teddy Lop said:
Is really silent or does it make those irritating squee noises most battery cars do?
There was something of the witchcraft about the silence of a combustion engine in the old rolls although Toyota seemed to achieve it with 90s sedans too.
Looks like a bit of a dog's dinner too but then most new cars do. A bit try-hard, but give the dustbin lid wheels back to the hi riser boys and with a few tweaks it'd have the sense of imperious they got lost trying to find.
HF sound is easy to attenuate so the occupants have no need to hear any propulsion noise. There was something of the witchcraft about the silence of a combustion engine in the old rolls although Toyota seemed to achieve it with 90s sedans too.
Looks like a bit of a dog's dinner too but then most new cars do. A bit try-hard, but give the dustbin lid wheels back to the hi riser boys and with a few tweaks it'd have the sense of imperious they got lost trying to find.
I really enjoy the futuristic sound of EVs but I'm a bit of a Sci Fi fan.
I loved the sound of my TVRs but always wanted my family cars to be as quiet as possible.
Nomme de Plum said:
"Weight, and weight distribution, affects all of these things, and therefore the amount of grip the tyres can generate and the predictability of that grip, the key parameters being the centre of gravity (CoG), the roll centre and the polar moment of inertia.""there is less load transfer laterally across the vehicle when cornering, and that allows the car to make better use of the available grip to generate more lateral g-force, which translates into higher corner speeds."
"the control of the four-wheel drivetrain has a big influence on the dynamic behaviour, for both stability and handling, the linearity of the four-wheel drive is important"
Those buggers at Porsche have been reading my posts and using it to their advantage!
Teddy Lop said:
biggbn said:
The rollerfied version coming soon to sit alongside your Bentley 300c for the perfect two car garage....Dombilano said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Dombilano said:
Calm down, your point is irrelevant
I'm perfectly calm. Irrelevant to you maybe.
I still don't understand how a person who drives a 3 series estate, nice car as that maybe, expects a Rolls Royce to be created less than 250kg more.
BMW 4633mm X Width 2031mm x 1429mm H Rolls Royce 5,475 mm L x 2,220 mm W x 1,573 mm H.. It simply doesn't make sense.
I'm not the target market for a roller aside from my own weight, but for EVs in general they need to lose weight, but it's years away from happening. I'm just not going to accept engineers having to work around a problem that shouldn't exist.
wistec1 said:
The ultimate car for the tree hugging champagne socialist who would rather indulge their selves than donate to the party. As for the car, well it's EV and never for me.
She is an intelligent, passionate, beautiful, rich woman. The issue of whether or not she's your type is not one that you're likely to have to resolve in this world... or, indeed, the next, since she will be going to some heaven for glamorous p*ssy, and you will be cleaning the floor of a diner in hell.gonzales_turbo said:
It will save nothing with the mileage these do. I just looked at the Wraith classifieds, these do an average 4000 miles per year. In other words, the equivalent of 15 battery cycles. These batteries will die on age, not mileage, and will do 15 years if being lucky. Or about 200 cycles… and these are optimistic assumptions!
There’s no way for such a use to be called planet saving or CO2 saving. I’d be interested in knowing where the savings offset the initial CO2 consumption, expressed in battery cycles, but I imagine it would be about 400-500 cycles, as typical calculations involve 8-10 thousand miles per year.
If you factor in the use of natural resources, it is easy to conclude that these heated garages works of art should remain with ICE.
That being said, saving the planet is NOT what the buyers of a Spectre want. And for their customers, I’m pretty sure they will be wonderful!
Good point. IIRC, someone raised the same concerns about the proposed Bentley EV replacing the W12. There’s no way for such a use to be called planet saving or CO2 saving. I’d be interested in knowing where the savings offset the initial CO2 consumption, expressed in battery cycles, but I imagine it would be about 400-500 cycles, as typical calculations involve 8-10 thousand miles per year.
If you factor in the use of natural resources, it is easy to conclude that these heated garages works of art should remain with ICE.
That being said, saving the planet is NOT what the buyers of a Spectre want. And for their customers, I’m pretty sure they will be wonderful!
In short, this type of EV will be in a permanent state of being CO2-positive.
So, compared to the V12 Wraith, the only benefits this 3-tonne gargoyle offers are:
- 1 Silent(ish) wafting
- 2 The potential for not mixing with the proles when recharging
- 3 Yet another legit tax dodge for sneering plump plutocrats
GT9 said:
"Weight, and weight distribution, affects all of these things, and therefore the amount of grip the tyres can generate and the predictability of that grip, the key parameters being the centre of gravity (CoG), the roll centre and the polar moment of inertia."
"there is less load transfer laterally across the vehicle when cornering, and that allows the car to make better use of the available grip to generate more lateral g-force, which translates into higher corner speeds."
"the control of the four-wheel drivetrain has a big influence on the dynamic behaviour, for both stability and handling, the linearity of the four-wheel drive is important"
Those buggers at Porsche have been reading my posts and using it to their advantage!
And yet they continue to stick the engine at the wrong end "there is less load transfer laterally across the vehicle when cornering, and that allows the car to make better use of the available grip to generate more lateral g-force, which translates into higher corner speeds."
"the control of the four-wheel drivetrain has a big influence on the dynamic behaviour, for both stability and handling, the linearity of the four-wheel drive is important"
Those buggers at Porsche have been reading my posts and using it to their advantage!
Teddy Lop said:
Is really silent or does it make those irritating squee noises most battery cars do?
The noises are mandated by the ever glorious EU when a car is driving at "town speeds" (iirc up to 30mph)It doesn't have to be that Radio Control car sound whine. But that seems to be what manufacturers have settled on en masse. You could of course re program the sound generator to play a different sound. But I suspect a V10 scream might not suit the RR image.
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