One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3

[Thermobaric]

She's in the wrong imo because that type of thing really annoys me heh. Mainly see it with people waiting right up the arse of a bus trying to edge out with no idea what's coming the other way.

[ORD]

Simple rule - don't do a multiple overtake unless you have definitely been seen by the following cars. Horn and lights are useful for shouting 'I am here and about to pass you'.

She was actually more at fault for not checking whether or not she was herself being overtaken. It says something about that in the Highway Code, and I always check for bikes going 200mph before I overtake.

[Mike_Mac]

ORD said:

Simple rule - don't do a multiple overtake unless you have definitely been seen by the following cars. Horn and lights are useful for shouting 'I am here and about to pass you'.

She was actually more at fault for not checking whether or not she was herself being overtaken. It says something about that in the Highway Code, and I always check for bikes going 200mph before I overtake.

Exactly. It's called a lifesaver check for a reason. Her fault, in short!

[Hol]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Hol said:

romeogolf said:

Driver of the Volvo this morning who objected to the merge-in-turn being orchestrated by every other surrounding vehicle. Despite having plenty of room to do so she spent 15 seconds flat on the horn when I merged ahead of her and decided to take out her mobile to, I assume, take a photo of my car.

Oh, she then nearly drove into me when I stopped for the traffic ahead and decided that the V-sign would be an appropriate measure of her frustration.

In her mind everybody should have merged 100 meters earlier than the official point
.
Because - that is what SHE decided to do, so it MUST be the correct method.

It doesn't matter what other drivers have done, or what the highway code says about merging (which isn't what people on here usually think - and carefully ignoring all the other related advice). If you are changing lane, it is up to you to make sure you do so with out inconveniencing (or with the willing cooperation) of another driver. If you are changing lane and another driver does not want to let you push in, then you wait. It is quite simple.

Are you truly suggesting that you would ignore the fact that all other drivers are zip merging in turn at the point of merge and FORCE other vehicles off the road when it came to be your turn.

That's some scary st!!

[anonymous-user]

Hol said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Hol said:

romeogolf said:

Driver of the Volvo this morning who objected to the merge-in-turn being orchestrated by every other surrounding vehicle. Despite having plenty of room to do so she spent 15 seconds flat on the horn when I merged ahead of her and decided to take out her mobile to, I assume, take a photo of my car.

Oh, she then nearly drove into me when I stopped for the traffic ahead and decided that the V-sign would be an appropriate measure of her frustration.

In her mind everybody should have merged 100 meters earlier than the official point
.
Because - that is what SHE decided to do, so it MUST be the correct method.

It doesn't matter what other drivers have done, or what the highway code says about merging (which isn't what people on here usually think - and carefully ignoring all the other related advice). If you are changing lane, it is up to you to make sure you do so with out inconveniencing (or with the willing cooperation) of another driver. If you are changing lane and another driver does not want to let you push in, then you wait. It is quite simple.

Are you truly suggesting that you would ignore the fact that all other drivers are zip merging in turn at the point of merge and FORCE other vehicles off the road when it came to be your turn.

That's some scary st!!

That's not how I read it? I read it that as you're the one merging, if the car is clearly not going to let you in, that you shouldn't push in, you should wait for a gap as you are the one changing lanes. Which is fair enough?

I don't agree AT ALL with the terminology "push in", but the sentiment is pretty sound.

[mikal83]

vanordinaire said:

Me this morning.
Travelling North on the A7 from Galashiels to Edinburgh. This is a 30 mile stretch of two lane road with about 15 decent passing opportunities over the 30 miles. I was behind a Qashqai which was behind an 8 wheel tipper travelling between 35 and 40mph. The woman driver of the Qashqai was tucked in about 15 feet behind the tipper and couldn't see to pass as she was too close. When we came to the straight bits, she nervously popped out to the white line still right behind the lorry to check whether she could pass or not but because she was so close, by the time she saw it was clear to pull out, it was too late. We missed several opportunities to pass so I was in this little convoy for about 10 miles.
As we approached a straight which I knew was coming up (the last passing opportunity for about 5 miles)I was holding back for a decent view of the road ahead. I saw that it was clear for me to pass both the car and lorry together. She wasn't indicating at that point and probably wasn't aware she was on a decent straight but I had a pretty good idea that she might be intending to pass from past behaviour. I decided to go on the basis of what was happening, not what I thought might happen and went for the overtake of both vehicles .Sure enough as my front wing was alongside her drivers door, without indicating, she started to pull out. I gave a quick toot of the horn and she slammed her brakes on and pulled back in , shouting and gesticulating at me as I passed.
I know I was a knob for loosing patience and possibly risking a crash but so was she for her abysmal positioning and observation skills. Who was worse, her for being a st driver or me for being aware of the situation and ignoring it as I had run out of patience?

Its not an infrequent occurance, happed to me a few times, especially on my bike. I usually make a big show I am pulling out to overtake both vehicles with a good flash first....BUT be prepared to slam on the anchors if a numpty doesn't look in their mirror first to double check. MSM!

[Hol]

OpulentBob said:

Hol said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Hol said:

romeogolf said:

Driver of the Volvo this morning who objected to the merge-in-turn being orchestrated by every other surrounding vehicle. Despite having plenty of room to do so she spent 15 seconds flat on the horn when I merged ahead of her and decided to take out her mobile to, I assume, take a photo of my car.

Oh, she then nearly drove into me when I stopped for the traffic ahead and decided that the V-sign would be an appropriate measure of her frustration.

In her mind everybody should have merged 100 meters earlier than the official point
.
Because - that is what SHE decided to do, so it MUST be the correct method.

It doesn't matter what other drivers have done, or what the highway code says about merging (which isn't what people on here usually think - and carefully ignoring all the other related advice). If you are changing lane, it is up to you to make sure you do so with out inconveniencing (or with the willing cooperation) of another driver. If you are changing lane and another driver does not want to let you push in, then you wait. It is quite simple.

Are you truly suggesting that you would ignore the fact that all other drivers are zip merging in turn at the point of merge and FORCE other vehicles off the road when it came to be your turn.

That's some scary st!!

That's not how I read it? I read it that as you're the one merging, if the car is clearly not going to let you in, that you shouldn't push in, you should wait for a gap as you are the one changing lanes. Which is fair enough?

I don't agree AT ALL with the terminology "push in", but the sentiment is pretty sound.

I don't feel the need to stop people to the right of me in at a merger, if its in turn (their turn).



If you look at those white line markings for any given merger, the dotted lines between the lanes end where the duality ends and there is a completely clear area devoid of lane markings before the 'new single lane' starts.

By definition of the highway code both the left and right hand lanes have therefore ended, so people from the right are NOT pushing into the left lane at all - as it ceased to exist as s distinct lane. Both lanes are therefore legally and morally equal.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.284292,-0.155362...


I appreciate that the whole 'he is pushing in - therefore I am a white knight' issue maybe emotional for some, but the term 'merge-in-turn' is pretty clear in terms of the English language.


Edited to note: That the above is a PERMANENT merger scenario and not a temporary lane closure scenario using cones.

Edited by Hol on Friday 11th September 10:44

[anonymous-user]

Hol said:

OpulentBob said:

Hol said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Hol said:

romeogolf said:

Driver of the Volvo this morning who objected to the merge-in-turn being orchestrated by every other surrounding vehicle. Despite having plenty of room to do so she spent 15 seconds flat on the horn when I merged ahead of her and decided to take out her mobile to, I assume, take a photo of my car.

Oh, she then nearly drove into me when I stopped for the traffic ahead and decided that the V-sign would be an appropriate measure of her frustration.

In her mind everybody should have merged 100 meters earlier than the official point
.
Because - that is what SHE decided to do, so it MUST be the correct method.

It doesn't matter what other drivers have done, or what the highway code says about merging (which isn't what people on here usually think - and carefully ignoring all the other related advice). If you are changing lane, it is up to you to make sure you do so with out inconveniencing (or with the willing cooperation) of another driver. If you are changing lane and another driver does not want to let you push in, then you wait. It is quite simple.

Are you truly suggesting that you would ignore the fact that all other drivers are zip merging in turn at the point of merge and FORCE other vehicles off the road when it came to be your turn.

That's some scary st!!

That's not how I read it? I read it that as you're the one merging, if the car is clearly not going to let you in, that you shouldn't push in, you should wait for a gap as you are the one changing lanes. Which is fair enough?

I don't agree AT ALL with the terminology "push in", but the sentiment is pretty sound.

I don't feel the need to stop people to the right of me in at a merger, if its in turn (their turn).



If you look at those white line markings for any given merger, the dotted lines between the lanes end where the duality ends and there is a completely clear area devoid of lane markings before the 'new single lane' starts.

By definition of the highway code both the left and right hand lanes have therefore ended, so people from the right are NOT pushing into the left lane at all - as it ceased to exist as s distinct lane. Both lanes are therefore legally and morally equal.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.284292,-0.155362...


I appreciate that the whole 'he is pushing in - therefore I am a white knight' issue maybe emotional for some, but the term 'merge-in-turn' is pretty clear in terms of the English language.


Edited to note: That the above is a PERMANENT merger scenario and not a temporary lane closure scenario using cones.

Edited by Hol on Friday 11th September 10:44

You're not wrong. Personally speaking, if the car on the offside is in front of me, even slightly, then I've got better visibility than they have of the position of both cars, and I would much rather let them in than risk a crumpled wing, even if I was in the right.

[mikal83]

To the car and caravan at Callington Newbridge this morning. Yes I know you have priority coming east to west...(as the bridge is too narrow for 2 cars), BUT you were around the corner, (behind trees), as I started to cross therefor I was actually on the bridge, you weren't so I now have priority. So up yours.

[exitwound]

iva cosworth said:

A few with cyclists involved.

Yesterday chavvy kid popping wheelies on the pavement,problem being he's doing it at chucking out time

I did that on the pavement when I was 16 on a Raleigh Runabout moped, so proud of pulling long and high wheelies after revving it up and rolling it off the stand til I ran smack into the back of a nightwatchman's wee hut hitting it with both wheels at the same time!

Wouldn't have been so bad despite nearly giving the old guy inside a heart attack, but he was having a brew up with the local beat copper who clipped my ear and shook me all over the place as he yelled at me.

I walked the moped home and stayed off it for a bit after that, but my mate who had it away on his toes then, said it was the best wheely he's ever seen!

[WD39]

OpulentBob said:

Hol said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Hol said:

romeogolf said:

Driver of the Volvo this morning who objected to the merge-in-turn being orchestrated by every other surrounding vehicle. Despite having plenty of room to do so she spent 15 seconds flat on the horn when I merged ahead of her and decided to take out her mobile to, I assume, take a photo of my car.

Oh, she then nearly drove into me when I stopped for the traffic ahead and decided that the V-sign would be an appropriate measure of her frustration.

In her mind everybody should have merged 100 meters earlier than the official point
.
Because - that is what SHE decided to do, so it MUST be the correct method.

It doesn't matter what other drivers have done, or what the highway code says about merging (which isn't what people on here usually think - and carefully ignoring all the other related advice). If you are changing lane, it is up to you to make sure you do so with out inconveniencing (or with the willing cooperation) of another driver. If you are changing lane and another driver does not want to let you push in, then you wait. It is quite simple.

Are you truly suggesting that you would ignore the fact that all other drivers are zip merging in turn at the point of merge and FORCE other vehicles off the road when it came to be your turn.

That's some scary st!!

That's not how I read it? I read it that as you're the one merging, if the car is clearly not going to let you in, that you shouldn't push in, you should wait for a gap as you are the one changing lanes. Which is fair enough?

I don't agree AT ALL with the terminology "push in", but the sentiment is pretty sound.

Twas ever thus, Bob.

[WD39]

vanordinaire said:

Me this morning.
Travelling North on the A7 from Galashiels to Edinburgh. This is a 30 mile stretch of two lane road with about 15 decent passing opportunities over the 30 miles. I was behind a Qashqai which was behind an 8 wheel tipper travelling between 35 and 40mph. The woman driver of the Qashqai was tucked in about 15 feet behind the tipper and couldn't see to pass as she was too close. When we came to the straight bits, she nervously popped out to the white line still right behind the lorry to check whether she could pass or not but because she was so close, by the time she saw it was clear to pull out, it was too late. We missed several opportunities to pass so I was in this little convoy for about 10 miles.
As we approached a straight which I knew was coming up (the last passing opportunity for about 5 miles)I was holding back for a decent view of the road ahead. I saw that it was clear for me to pass both the car and lorry together. She wasn't indicating at that point and probably wasn't aware she was on a decent straight but I had a pretty good idea that she might be intending to pass from past behaviour. I decided to go on the basis of what was happening, not what I thought might happen and went for the overtake of both vehicles .Sure enough as my front wing was alongside her drivers door, without indicating, she started to pull out. I gave a quick toot of the horn and she slammed her brakes on and pulled back in , shouting and gesticulating at me as I passed.
I know I was a knob for loosing patience and possibly risking a crash but so was she for her abysmal positioning and observation skills. Who was worse, her for being a st driver or me for being aware of the situation and ignoring it as I had run out of patience?

No particular blame methinks, but lots of impatience and huffing and puffing. Relax.

[Veryoldbear]

There seems to be a lot of mobile phone knobbism going on the moment. Several times recently I've come across people who have stopped to answer the phone ... on blind corners, halfway round roundabouts, on double white lines. Bloody hell, can't they WAIT?

[jogger1976]

I've noticed this lately. Had some idiot earlier in the week charge across 4 lanes of a busy motorway to stop on the hatching and make a call.
Last night coming home from work, some tt was parked in the MIDDLE of the slip road as I was trying to enter the A1 with a phone glued to his ear. I guess he thought that as it was late, no one would be about?

Oh, and what the juddery fk is this new craze of convertible owners stopping in dangerous/inappropriate places to raise their roofs?

[l354uge]

Whoever decided to put the last average speed camera a good 20 metres after the "end of roadworks, national speed limit" signs on the M1.

Probably have a ticket because of those t*ssers, all for speeding up back to normal speed at a reasonable rate..

And whoever decided to put a ultra bright led lamp shining across the motorway every mile or so, blinding everyone.

[Mandalore]

WD39 said:

OpulentBob said:

Hol said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Hol said:

romeogolf said:

Driver of the Volvo this morning who objected to the merge-in-turn being orchestrated by every other surrounding vehicle. Despite having plenty of room to do so she spent 15 seconds flat on the horn when I merged ahead of her and decided to take out her mobile to, I assume, take a photo of my car.

Oh, she then nearly drove into me when I stopped for the traffic ahead and decided that the V-sign would be an appropriate measure of her frustration.

In her mind everybody should have merged 100 meters earlier than the official point
.
Because - that is what SHE decided to do, so it MUST be the correct method.

It doesn't matter what other drivers have done, or what the highway code says about merging (which isn't what people on here usually think - and carefully ignoring all the other related advice). If you are changing lane, it is up to you to make sure you do so with out inconveniencing (or with the willing cooperation) of another driver. If you are changing lane and another driver does not want to let you push in, then you wait. It is quite simple.

Are you truly suggesting that you would ignore the fact that all other drivers are zip merging in turn at the point of merge and FORCE other vehicles off the road when it came to be your turn.

That's some scary st!!

That's not how I read it? I read it that as you're the one merging, if the car is clearly not going to let you in, that you shouldn't push in, you should wait for a gap as you are the one changing lanes. Which is fair enough?

I don't agree AT ALL with the terminology "push in", but the sentiment is pretty sound.

Twas ever thus, Bob.

Except for the obvious fact that they are BOTH merging, not just one of them.

[Mandalore]

jogger1976 said:

I've noticed this lately. Had some idiot earlier in the week charge across 4 lanes of a busy motorway to stop on the hatching and make a call.
Last night coming home from work, some tt was parked in the MIDDLE of the slip road as I was trying to enter the A1 with a phone glued to his ear. I guess he thought that as it was late, no one would be about?

Oh, and what the juddery fk is this new craze of convertible owners stopping in dangerous/inappropriate places to raise their roofs?

I had a similar even yesterday with somebody just 'stopping' at a badly chosen point.


I am driving along with two cars behind me in a residential area and I see two cars approaching the end of a road to my right. They stop and then the first car shoots out quickly, but makes no attempt to hit 30mph, so we all slow down to about 15mph.

Cars are coming in the other direction now, so he shops. Dead. In the middle of the road with no indication or warning.
I indicate but cannot pass as traffic is still coming down the opposing lane.

Just as the traffic coming the other way ends, he starts pulling forward again.



Why did he do this? Because his soul-mate was in the other car that obviously had more sense than to pull out in front of moving traffic at the last second - and because they obviously wanted convoy, he decided to stop the traffic, until they could pull out.

Not selfish much!

[mistakenplane]

vanordinaire said:

Me this morning.
Travelling North on the A7 from Galashiels to Edinburgh. This is a 30 mile stretch of two lane road with about 15 decent passing opportunities over the 30 miles. I was behind a Qashqai which was behind an 8 wheel tipper travelling between 35 and 40mph. The woman driver of the Qashqai was tucked in about 15 feet behind the tipper and couldn't see to pass as she was too close. When we came to the straight bits, she nervously popped out to the white line still right behind the lorry to check whether she could pass or not but because she was so close, by the time she saw it was clear to pull out, it was too late. We missed several opportunities to pass so I was in this little convoy for about 10 miles.
As we approached a straight which I knew was coming up (the last passing opportunity for about 5 miles)I was holding back for a decent view of the road ahead. I saw that it was clear for me to pass both the car and lorry together. She wasn't indicating at that point and probably wasn't aware she was on a decent straight but I had a pretty good idea that she might be intending to pass from past behaviour. I decided to go on the basis of what was happening, not what I thought might happen and went for the overtake of both vehicles .Sure enough as my front wing was alongside her drivers door, without indicating, she started to pull out. I gave a quick toot of the horn and she slammed her brakes on and pulled back in , shouting and gesticulating at me as I passed.
I know I was a knob for loosing patience and possibly risking a crash but so was she for her abysmal positioning and observation skills. Who was worse, her for being a st driver or me for being aware of the situation and ignoring it as I had run out of patience?

Being honest, both of you.

Ive done it too, she should be driving better and checking mirrors etc.

And you should be very careful when overtaking multiple vehicles as that can happen, and also just keep your patience and not feel you "have" to pass. Again Ive been there myself.

I try to be a bit calmer now and if Im not first in line I pretty much wont go for the pass. Better to be 2 mins later than be part of an incident!

[99t]

Guy at work has just been recounting his tale of woe from the weekend.

He got a flat tyre, spent ages being increasingly brutal trying to get his wheel trim off to change the wheel, eventually gave up and called recovery.

Recovery man: "these are alloy wheels, sir"

[ORD]

mistakenplane said:

Being honest, both of you.

Ive done it too, she should be driving better and checking mirrors etc.

And you should be very careful when overtaking multiple vehicles as that can happen, and also just keep your patience and not feel you "have" to pass. Again Ive been there myself.

I try to be a bit calmer now and if Im not first in line I pretty much wont go for the pass. Better to be 2 mins later than be part of an incident!

You, Sir, are what is wrong with this country! I now have to overtake you, a decent driver, as well as all the other "I dont overtake" muppets stuck behind a lorry at 40mph.