RE: PDK-only for next Porsche 911 GT3?
Discussion
PDK doesn't need skillful input from driver and isn't fun?? Flat down the straight (on track) and into that 2nd/3rd gear corner. HARD on the brakes (left foot) still on them past turn in making the rear weight squirm, bang, bang, bang down the gears working hard to balance a car that's dancing on limits of adhiesion under turning and braking forces, there's the apex and on the power. What's not to like? Just as much fun/skill as manual - just different. And don't lets get into a 'not the best technique/fastest way' please. This is a track day and about fun not the last few tenths. Having had a couple of GT3s I wouldn't mind which box I got with the new one. But on balance I'll go PDK - if I'm offered the option. I actually find it MORE fun than manual now. Plus I've had many years of manual cars so happy to move on - and there'll always be something manual in my garage anyway when I want to relive 'the good old days'.
Dr S said:
For me, a GT3 should feel raw and provide me with a race car feeling whenever I drive it. Whether that is achieved via a manual or a well sorted race-capable PDK box, I could not care less.
exactly, like a scud or challenge F car. why does PDK lessen the experience of a race car? As long as it feels like a race car, I'd say job done. In fact, I am swinging towards PDK myself...... tom felty said:
PDK only, what a stupid idea
dont think that they reakise how many customers they will loose out on!
Think you'll find that regular buyers - ie owners of current cars who always have orders in for the next version - will still go ahead and buy the next one. Even if they'd prefer manual. Suspect they'll loose very few customers.dont think that they reakise how many customers they will loose out on!
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Pugsey said:
- and there'll always be something manual in my garage anyway when I want to relive 'the good old days'.
correct. And Porsche are targeting people with the MONEY to spend on a pseudo race car and yet have another car for other purposes. Internet forums are full of people that can't afford a new one but love to give their opinion of what they would buy if they had the money..... The problem being that if they have the money, they would prolly think different. And that separates those that have and those that have not.
Pugsey said:
Think you'll find that regular buyers - ie owners of current cars who always have orders in for the next version - will still go ahead and buy the next one. Even if they'd prefer manual. Suspect they'll loose very few customers.
That's not what this thread seems to imply - look back at the number of current GT3 owners who've said they simply wont consider this if it's PDK only. kambites said:
Pugsey said:
Think you'll find that regular buyers - ie owners of current cars who always have orders in for the next version - will still go ahead and buy the next one. Even if they'd prefer manual. Suspect they'll loose very few customers.
That's not what this thread seems to imply - look back at the number of current GT3 owners who've said they simply wont consider this if it's PDK only. Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 15th February 13:21
kambites said:
I suspect that anyone who says they want a "race car for the road" has never tried driving a racing car on the road - in my experience it's generally a damned unpleasant experience.
Very true! Similarly, even the great GT3 ends up being modifying by most who track them seriously.People have been predicting the demise of the manual 'box in performance cars for a few years now. If the GT3 is PDK only, that'll be another step closer...esp as the "new NSX" will have flappy paddles.
Who'll be left?
- Lotus now offer an automated option, but their manuals have never been great.
- Morgan?
- BMW M-division are veering towards double-clutch units.
- Aston only sell a small number of manuals.
- the Italian supercar makers are all either completely or nearly manual-free zones.
- Noble? Are we really down to quoting small independent mfrs???
No, wait...it's OK - the MX5 still has a manual!
Who'll be left?
- Lotus now offer an automated option, but their manuals have never been great.
- Morgan?
- BMW M-division are veering towards double-clutch units.
- Aston only sell a small number of manuals.
- the Italian supercar makers are all either completely or nearly manual-free zones.
- Noble? Are we really down to quoting small independent mfrs???
No, wait...it's OK - the MX5 still has a manual!
Pugsey said:
kambites said:
I suspect that anyone who says they want a "race car for the road" has never tried driving a racing car on the road - in my experience it's generally a damned unpleasant experience.
Very true! Similarly, even the great GT3 ends up being modifying by most who track them seriously.Also, Porsche managed to finish 12th overall with a stock 7.2 RS in the Ring 24h in 2010 with geo changed to work with slicks was the only noteworthy modification.
And right, I would also not want to drive a Cup S/R as a daily drive...
Dr S said:
Pugsey said:
kambites said:
I suspect that anyone who says they want a "race car for the road" has never tried driving a racing car on the road - in my experience it's generally a damned unpleasant experience.
Very true! Similarly, even the great GT3 ends up being modifying by most who track them seriously.Also, Porsche managed to finish 12th overall with a stock 7.2 RS in the Ring 24h in 2010 with geo changed to work with slicks was the only noteworthy modification.
And right, I would also not want to drive a Cup S/R as a daily drive...
Back OT. OK - who has new GT3 on order and whole will cancel if PDK only.
I'll start:- I have and won't cancel.
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