Cycle races on dual carriageways !
Discussion
jimbop1 said:
I hope you haven't sent them my way!
Honestly it's pointless arguing with these cyclistists, they either know very well the nuisance they cause or are so oblivious it's abit scary. There was nearly one less yesterday though when he rode through a red light without a care in the world.. I gave him a couple of revs on my bike and he looked at me as though I was in the wrong. Lovely people though!
Funny, even bikers hate bikers.....Honestly it's pointless arguing with these cyclistists, they either know very well the nuisance they cause or are so oblivious it's abit scary. There was nearly one less yesterday though when he rode through a red light without a care in the world.. I gave him a couple of revs on my bike and he looked at me as though I was in the wrong. Lovely people though!
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I simply don't understand the debate where people think that just because its not illegal that makes it a safe and sensible option. I can legally run with scissors and lick electrical wiring to see if its live, doesn't mean its a wise option now does it.
You'd think cyclists would want to avoid heavy traffic both in order to prevent accidents and to make sure they can set the best time possible. I don't generally have a problem with cyclists on the roads, most stick to the edge of their given lane to make overtaking as easy as possible however i guess you get the same exceptions as you would with people who drive like tools too.
You'd think cyclists would want to avoid heavy traffic both in order to prevent accidents and to make sure they can set the best time possible. I don't generally have a problem with cyclists on the roads, most stick to the edge of their given lane to make overtaking as easy as possible however i guess you get the same exceptions as you would with people who drive like tools too.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Didn't the taxpayer build them a nice velodrome to play in? Perhaps they could go and ride their bikes there. Or perhaps I could take my car along to join in their fun!! 
Don't worry when you have campaigned successfully for everyone's freedoms to be removed and your car has been consigned to the dustbin through monster taxation and fuel duty you'll soon get the idea of cycling 
yonex said:
Funny, even bikers hate bikers.....
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Yes they do... I don't understand the relevance though.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
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Highway Star said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Didn't the taxpayer build them a nice velodrome to play in? Perhaps they could go and ride their bikes there. Or perhaps I could take my car along to join in their fun!!
Or you could ask the WRC guys to only do their stuff on circuits.yonex said:
Don't worry when you have campaigned successfully for everyone's freedoms to be removed and your car has been consigned to the dustbin through monster taxation and fuel duty you'll soon get the idea of cycling
Is the idea to annoy people as much as possible and shout abuse at anyone who goes near them? 
dave7692 said:
The key difference being WRC is held on closed roads meaning risk to the general public is fundamentally non-existent.
Was responding with reference to Tour de France in Britain, which is on closed roads, as Ozzie's post was next after mine talking about the TDF and I assumed that was what he was talking about. Rich_W said:
We've been over this :sigh:
a) Hit and Run is a s
t driver. Nothing to do with the bike rider. who was apparently legally using the road. Again. You're victim blaming. If he wasn't there (legally) he wouldn't have been killed. Do rape victims deserve it because they were in a nightclub having a few drinks. Far safer to be at home wouldn't you think?
b) Cycle paths are not always the safest place to be. Especially if you're riding at speed and it's a shared one with pedestrains. Sometimes they are, but there;s one a few miles from me I'd love to use. But it's like riding over the surface of the moon covered in glass (punctures) and all sorts of rubbish and st. Plus couple points where the trees just block it completely. It would be far safer to use it but it's virtually unuseable. And this is the same county that hosted the 2012 Olympic cycle race and love to bang on about how great they are at promoting cycling... 
A) To use your rape analogy, why walk home down rape alley late at night when there's a perfectly good, well lit path next to it? Yes, you should be able to, but is it sensible to?a) Hit and Run is a s
t driver. Nothing to do with the bike rider. who was apparently legally using the road. Again. You're victim blaming. If he wasn't there (legally) he wouldn't have been killed. Do rape victims deserve it because they were in a nightclub having a few drinks. Far safer to be at home wouldn't you think?b) Cycle paths are not always the safest place to be. Especially if you're riding at speed and it's a shared one with pedestrains. Sometimes they are, but there;s one a few miles from me I'd love to use. But it's like riding over the surface of the moon covered in glass (punctures) and all sorts of rubbish and s
t. Plus couple points where the trees just block it completely. It would be far safer to use it but it's virtually unuseable. And this is the same county that hosted the 2012 Olympic cycle race and love to bang on about how great they are at promoting cycling... B) Yes, I'm aware of the pros and cons of cycle paths. I've actually got the advantage of having cycled on the cycle path I'm referring to. I decided that I'd rather slow down around dog walkers than get hit by a car doing anywhere between 40-90. The other point I made was there's always the option to cycle through the village that the dual carriageway is meant to bypass.
Ozzie Osmond said:
That's very odd. Do you not allow the world to move on? People used to be allowed to own handguns, now they're not. There are no "grandfather" rights granted to people who've always had a handgun so that they can keep on doing what they've always done.
When the motorways were invented bicycles were specifically banned from them. Not to annoy cyclists but because cycling on those roads would be very, very stupid. For cyclists to roll out and conduct their very slow races on 70 mph dual carriageways makes no sense either.
all of which is completely irrelevant. You argued that bicycles would not be allowed if invented today, but neglected to mention that neither would cars, which are far more dangerous. (Find out how many bicycle or ped fatalities in the Uk did not involve a car and how many car and ped fatalities did not involve a bike if you doubt this). That is a double standard and dishonest.When the motorways were invented bicycles were specifically banned from them. Not to annoy cyclists but because cycling on those roads would be very, very stupid. For cyclists to roll out and conduct their very slow races on 70 mph dual carriageways makes no sense either.
1ians said:
A) To use your rape analogy, why walk home down rape alley late at night when there's a perfectly good, well lit path next to it? Yes, you should be able to, but is it sensible to?
B) Yes, I'm aware of the pros and cons of cycle paths. I've actually got the advantage of having cycled on the cycle path I'm referring to. I decided that I'd rather slow down around dog walkers than get hit by a car doing anywhere between 40-90. The other point I made was there's always the option to cycle through the village that the dual carriageway is meant to bypass.
I'd say the sensible thing to do is to curtail the freedoms of the potential rapist before they rape. That's motorists, in case you had trouble telling.B) Yes, I'm aware of the pros and cons of cycle paths. I've actually got the advantage of having cycled on the cycle path I'm referring to. I decided that I'd rather slow down around dog walkers than get hit by a car doing anywhere between 40-90. The other point I made was there's always the option to cycle through the village that the dual carriageway is meant to bypass.
Which, funnily enough, is what's happening. So thank you for justifing it.
paranoid airbag said:
I'd say the sensible thing to do is to curtail the freedoms of the potential rapist before they rape. That's motorists, in case you had trouble telling.
Muddled, muddled thinking.Mind you, that's pretty much in tune with other extremist nutter minorities currently trying to make the agenda in UK.
jimbop1 said:
I hope you haven't sent them my way!
Honestly it's pointless arguing with these cyclistists, they either know very well the nuisance they cause or are so oblivious it's abit scary. There was nearly one less yesterday though when he rode through a red light without a care in the world.. I gave him a couple of revs on my bike and he looked at me as though I was in the wrong. Lovely people though!
Well done fHonestly it's pointless arguing with these cyclistists, they either know very well the nuisance they cause or are so oblivious it's abit scary. There was nearly one less yesterday though when he rode through a red light without a care in the world.. I gave him a couple of revs on my bike and he looked at me as though I was in the wrong. Lovely people though!
k nuts. There's todays example of your idiocy. 
I await with baited breath tomorrows glowing instalment. It really does seem you have to re-prove every day on PH that you are thick as s
t. Like the last poster said "Live and Let Live" life aint that long to be worrying about what others are up to. Just look far enough ahead. See a potential slower moving thing. Adjust speed. Adjust postion on the road (3 foot please) pass whoever it is. And get on with your life.
Not rocket science surely? Sadly all this thread has done is mark out the people that view 10 seconds of their life as far more important than the safety of another road user. Maybe they should run for office. Then they can ban everything they don't like.
Actually, I'd settle for them emigrating to Australia (that sort of low IQ person seem to love Australia and NZ to emigrate to
) Or just commiting suicide. I'm good with either IroningMan said:
Snowboy said:
IroningMan said:
Read the history. We have TTs in the UK, and, by the standards of the rest of Europe, a pathetic cycle racing scene, precisely because we made cycle racing virtually impossible in this country for more or less the whole of the 20th century.
It's already exceptionally tightly controlled and restricted. The fact that once in a blue moon you happen to encounter it and fail to cope well/are modestly inconvenienced on your way to the back of the next queue of cars is neither here nor there.
Once in a blue moon?It's already exceptionally tightly controlled and restricted. The fact that once in a blue moon you happen to encounter it and fail to cope well/are modestly inconvenienced on your way to the back of the next queue of cars is neither here nor there.
It's once or twice a week in the summer.
And it turns a normally free flowing 60mph road into a traffic jam.
Although, after many complaints from many people last year I haven't seen that particular group this year.
So fingers crossed they have buggered off.
FWIW I have ridden only one TT course (Audley End E1/10), a total of three times, so no massive depth of experience. What I will say is that, even with solid double white lines over the first/last miles, and cyclists on both the out and return legs, it was still possible for capable, sensible drivers to manage the simple controls of their vehicle sufficient to effect a safe overtake with the minimum of delay. There's the one roundabout at the far end, marked by a marshal and signage. I never once saw a participant take a risk and pull out onto the roundabout against priority. I did see a couple of near misses with cars failing to give way to bikes already on the roundabout though. Strange, given the 'experiences' related by anti-cycling posters herein. I also witnessed impatient morons pull out of side turns directly, and deliberately, into the path of fast approaching cyclists who were on the priority route.
Yes, TTs can be dangerous. So can crossing the road. I haven't given that up yet, and don't intend to, despite the fact that I was once nearly hit by a daft woman driving through a red light on a PeLiCon crossing. (I had the last laugh, though, as a uniformed policeman using a nearby cashpoint pulled her over and had a word.)
Mr2Mike said:
wolves_wanderer said:
So cyclists have a right drivers don't then? You could almost say they have more rights I guess
Because a cyclist is permitted to use a road without a licence, they have more right to use that road than a licenced driver? Brilliant logic Rich_W said:
Well done fk nuts. There's todays example of your idiocy.
I await with baited breath tomorrows glowing instalment. It really does seem you have to re-prove every day on PH that you are thick as st.
Like the last poster said "Live and Let Live" life aint that long to be worrying about what others are up to. Just look far enough ahead. See a potential slower moving thing. Adjust speed. Adjust postion on the road (3 foot please) pass whoever it is. And get on with your life.
Not rocket science surely? Sadly all this thread has done is mark out the people that view 10 seconds of their life as far more important than the safety of another road user. Maybe they should run for office. Then they can ban everything they don't like.
Actually, I'd settle for them emigrating to Australia (that sort of low IQ person seem to love Australia and NZ to emigrate to ) Or just commiting suicide. I'm good with either
Care to elaborate on which bit is idiotic? The red light bit? Obviously do it in a very childish, name calling, playground manner k nuts. There's todays example of your idiocy. I await with baited breath tomorrows glowing instalment. It really does seem you have to re-prove every day on PH that you are thick as s
t. Like the last poster said "Live and Let Live" life aint that long to be worrying about what others are up to. Just look far enough ahead. See a potential slower moving thing. Adjust speed. Adjust postion on the road (3 foot please) pass whoever it is. And get on with your life.
Not rocket science surely? Sadly all this thread has done is mark out the people that view 10 seconds of their life as far more important than the safety of another road user. Maybe they should run for office. Then they can ban everything they don't like.
Actually, I'd settle for them emigrating to Australia (that sort of low IQ person seem to love Australia and NZ to emigrate to
) Or just commiting suicide. I'm good with either Just because we have very different views on cyclisties, there's no need to get all aggressive now is there... We are not riding in traffic now
Ozzie Osmond said:
paranoid airbag said:
I'd say the sensible thing to do is to curtail the freedoms of the potential rapist before they rape. That's motorists, in case you had trouble telling.
Muddled, muddled thinking.Mind you, that's pretty much in tune with other extremist nutter minorities currently trying to make the agenda in UK.
That you can't understand that pretty much explains why you're so concerned about "nutter minorities". I've got some sad news - there's no conspiracy when they get their way. They're just better at making their points than you are. If you really wanted to be convincing, maybe you'd try to understand objections instead of dismissing them.
Edited by paranoid airbag on Tuesday 15th April 02:02
jimbop1 said:
Care to elaborate on which bit is idiotic? The red light bit? Obviously do it in a very childish, name calling, playground manner
Just because we have very different views on cyclisties, there's no need to get all aggressive now is there... We are not riding in traffic now
The part where you can't spell "cyclists" comes across as pretty idiotic tbh.Just because we have very different views on cyclisties, there's no need to get all aggressive now is there... We are not riding in traffic now
As does the part where you say "it's pointless arguing"... and then argue.
Maybe the reason why you've not convinced anyone is actually something to do with you...
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