Baby on the way car crisis
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It's not really about the cost, it's about practicality.
You can have a huge "old school" style pram with spoke wheels for £900, while you can have a modern stroller for £400. The modern one will fit in just about anything (we fit ours in my sister's MiTo), while the big one won't be swallowed by anything smaller than a Focus.
It's not really about the cost, it's about practicality.
You can have a huge "old school" style pram with spoke wheels for £900, while you can have a modern stroller for £400. The modern one will fit in just about anything (we fit ours in my sister's MiTo), while the big one won't be swallowed by anything smaller than a Focus.
Our son is 2 and from day one we have used a Bugaboo Cameleon 3, and then when he was a bit older we also got a 'cheapy' Sivercross Pop (for taking on the plane for holiday).
When my son was a baby, could I have transferred him from the car when he was sleeping, directly into a cheapy non travel system pram without waking him up? nope. That alone is worth EVERY penny!
Now he's a bit older, just a few examples from many I can think of:
Can I push the Silvercross across a field, with him in and the buggy fully loaded with change bag etc, nope.
Can I push/drag the Silvercross along a beach, nope.
Can the Silvercross cope with cobbles or very uneven paths, nope.
Does the Sivlercross feel very flimsy in comparison, yes.
There are millions of things the Bugaboo excels at which the Silvercross can't match. It's not about the badge, it's about the quality of the product and more importantly the practical application.
When my son was a baby, could I have transferred him from the car when he was sleeping, directly into a cheapy non travel system pram without waking him up? nope. That alone is worth EVERY penny!
Now he's a bit older, just a few examples from many I can think of:
Can I push the Silvercross across a field, with him in and the buggy fully loaded with change bag etc, nope.
Can I push/drag the Silvercross along a beach, nope.
Can the Silvercross cope with cobbles or very uneven paths, nope.
Does the Sivlercross feel very flimsy in comparison, yes.
There are millions of things the Bugaboo excels at which the Silvercross can't match. It's not about the badge, it's about the quality of the product and more importantly the practical application.
kmpowell said:
Our son is 2 and from day one we have used a Bugaboo Cameleon 3, and then when he was a bit older we also got a 'cheapy' Sivercross Pop (for taking on the plane for holiday).
When my son was a baby, could I have transferred him from the car when he was sleeping, directly into a cheapy non travel system pram without waking him up? nope. That alone is worth EVERY penny!
Now he's a bit older, just a few examples from many I can think of:
Can I push the Silvercross across a field, with him in and the buggy fully loaded with change bag etc, nope.
Can I push/drag the Silvercross along a beach, nope.
Can the Silvercross cope with cobbles or very uneven paths, nope.
Does the Sivlercross feel very flimsy in comparison, yes.
There are millions of things the Bugaboo excels at which the Silvercross can't match. It's not about the badge, it's about the quality of the product and more importantly the practical application.
Totally agree. Just get the German V8 to put it in and you're there.When my son was a baby, could I have transferred him from the car when he was sleeping, directly into a cheapy non travel system pram without waking him up? nope. That alone is worth EVERY penny!
Now he's a bit older, just a few examples from many I can think of:
Can I push the Silvercross across a field, with him in and the buggy fully loaded with change bag etc, nope.
Can I push/drag the Silvercross along a beach, nope.
Can the Silvercross cope with cobbles or very uneven paths, nope.
Does the Sivlercross feel very flimsy in comparison, yes.
There are millions of things the Bugaboo excels at which the Silvercross can't match. It's not about the badge, it's about the quality of the product and more importantly the practical application.
Adrian E said:
There are definitely over-priced products out there, which are as much about the brand as the product (think Apple analogy, and yes I have an iphone), but as was pointed out above if the any pram will do analogy held true with cars we'd all drive Kia/Hyundai/Hondas
My in-laws have tested the theory - their 1st came along when ours was about 1 yr old. They bought a 'cheap' £200 buggy. It broke and they got a refund. They bought it different £200 buggy - that broke but they wouldn't refund and would only keep supplying a new front wheel assembly, even though the chassis design was the problem (it allowed too much flex and weakened over time). They bought another which was heavy, awkward to manoeuvre, but at least didn't break.
When her 2nd came along we'd finished with our Bugaboo, so she bought it off us for about the same money she'd paid for each of the new ones she'd had. Total spend during her 1stsprog's buggy time was about the same as what ours cost, but ours was (and still is another year on) working perfectly.
I made my wife push the options around the shops and wheel between obstacles to see how she managed with it. Her favourite was a trike option with a gas cylinder that put the thing up for you, but it was hard work in use and weighed a ton.
I'm a manufacturing engineer by training and I can see the difference in how well these things are bolted together. I'd put Bugaboo up there with Meile for kitchen appliances - a genuine quality difference, not just badge engineering. I used to put Siemens in that category too, but not since they stopped making their products in Germany a few years ago.
The gas cylinder trike was a Quinny Mood I assume? That's the one we bought when DS was born and I really liked it, especially how easy it was to open up when you got out of the car. In the end we sold it to my sister because we were moving abroad and had to live in a small apartment for a few weeks so just used the smaller one for that time.My in-laws have tested the theory - their 1st came along when ours was about 1 yr old. They bought a 'cheap' £200 buggy. It broke and they got a refund. They bought it different £200 buggy - that broke but they wouldn't refund and would only keep supplying a new front wheel assembly, even though the chassis design was the problem (it allowed too much flex and weakened over time). They bought another which was heavy, awkward to manoeuvre, but at least didn't break.
When her 2nd came along we'd finished with our Bugaboo, so she bought it off us for about the same money she'd paid for each of the new ones she'd had. Total spend during her 1stsprog's buggy time was about the same as what ours cost, but ours was (and still is another year on) working perfectly.
I made my wife push the options around the shops and wheel between obstacles to see how she managed with it. Her favourite was a trike option with a gas cylinder that put the thing up for you, but it was hard work in use and weighed a ton.
I'm a manufacturing engineer by training and I can see the difference in how well these things are bolted together. I'd put Bugaboo up there with Meile for kitchen appliances - a genuine quality difference, not just badge engineering. I used to put Siemens in that category too, but not since they stopped making their products in Germany a few years ago.
I agree on the Chameleon too, it's a good bit of kit, takes a lot of abuse and has no really obvious design flaws. Most of the cheap ones have flexy plastic joints and/or horribly complicated folding mechanisms, then when they do break you can't get the parts to fix them.
kmpowell said:
Our son is 2 and from day one we have used a Bugaboo Cameleon 3, and then when he was a bit older we also got a 'cheapy' Sivercross Pop (for taking on the plane for holiday).
When my son was a baby, could I have transferred him from the car when he was sleeping, directly into a cheapy non travel system pram without waking him up? nope. That alone is worth EVERY penny!
Now he's a bit older, just a few examples from many I can think of:
Can I push the Silvercross across a field, with him in and the buggy fully loaded with change bag etc, nope.
Can I push/drag the Silvercross along a beach, nope.
Can the Silvercross cope with cobbles or very uneven paths, nope.
Does the Sivlercross feel very flimsy in comparison, yes.
There are millions of things the Bugaboo excels at which the Silvercross can't match. It's not about the badge, it's about the quality of the product and more importantly the practical application.
Quite.When my son was a baby, could I have transferred him from the car when he was sleeping, directly into a cheapy non travel system pram without waking him up? nope. That alone is worth EVERY penny!
Now he's a bit older, just a few examples from many I can think of:
Can I push the Silvercross across a field, with him in and the buggy fully loaded with change bag etc, nope.
Can I push/drag the Silvercross along a beach, nope.
Can the Silvercross cope with cobbles or very uneven paths, nope.
Does the Sivlercross feel very flimsy in comparison, yes.
There are millions of things the Bugaboo excels at which the Silvercross can't match. It's not about the badge, it's about the quality of the product and more importantly the practical application.
You can get by with a cheap pram in the same way you can get by with a Citroen C1.
You generally buy things to make your life better. I guess if your idea of walking involves the time spent between getting to the car or walking around Primark then, yes, buy whatever you like. If you're actually going to walk places then it's worth having.
The Baby Bjorn is excellent, however, as soon as you stop for something to eat you're stuffed.
CampDavid said:
Quite.
You can get by with a cheap pram in the same way you can get by with a Citroen C1.
You generally buy things to make your life better. I guess if your idea of walking involves the time spent between getting to the car or walking around Primark then, yes, buy whatever you like. If you're actually going to walk places then it's worth having.
The Baby Bjorn is excellent, however, as soon as you stop for something to eat you're stuffed.
What's this Primark place? Sounds like a place poor northern types would shop.You can get by with a cheap pram in the same way you can get by with a Citroen C1.
You generally buy things to make your life better. I guess if your idea of walking involves the time spent between getting to the car or walking around Primark then, yes, buy whatever you like. If you're actually going to walk places then it's worth having.
The Baby Bjorn is excellent, however, as soon as you stop for something to eat you're stuffed.
St John Smythe said:
We've got an expensive iCandy sitting in the garage now not being used. Even my wife (who was adamant we HAD to have it) admits now we could of done perfectly fine with something a lot cheaper.
Aah, now your posts make total sense. Before getting the sprog & pram, we knew zilch about these brands. I've now noticed iCandy does seem to be a badge of honour amongst a certain type of mum 
St John Smythe said:
CampDavid said:
Quite.
You can get by with a cheap pram in the same way you can get by with a Citroen C1.
You generally buy things to make your life better. I guess if your idea of walking involves the time spent between getting to the car or walking around Primark then, yes, buy whatever you like. If you're actually going to walk places then it's worth having.
The Baby Bjorn is excellent, however, as soon as you stop for something to eat you're stuffed.
What's this Primark place? Sounds like a place poor northern types would shop.You can get by with a cheap pram in the same way you can get by with a Citroen C1.
You generally buy things to make your life better. I guess if your idea of walking involves the time spent between getting to the car or walking around Primark then, yes, buy whatever you like. If you're actually going to walk places then it's worth having.
The Baby Bjorn is excellent, however, as soon as you stop for something to eat you're stuffed.
Behemoth said:
St John Smythe said:
We've got an expensive iCandy sitting in the garage now not being used. Even my wife (who was adamant we HAD to have it) admits now we could of done perfectly fine with something a lot cheaper.
Aah, now your posts make total sense. Before getting the sprog & pram, we knew zilch about these brands. I've now noticed iCandy does seem to be a badge of honour amongst a certain type of mum St John Smythe said:
Any pram will do the job just fine. It just comes down to pram badge snobbery.
Not at all; If you choose carefully, it can help expand the range of possibilities with the aforementioned car choice.For example, a Quinny Zapp buggy will fit comfortably in the front boot of a 911 turbo...
We've got two prams system things.
Uppababy Vista Mk1 with Rumble seat. It's a great pram - very easy to fold, rolls lovely on solid tyre, and plenty of space underneath. Never used the bassinet with it as to big to fit in car and we found the cargo rolls around too much in it. Downside is 2nd child seat faces inwards only.
Missus also bought a Baby Jogger City Select as she thought it would be more versatile when the second child came. It's a dog. The handle grip is poorly made in two halves and chafes the hands, the curvature of the handle isn't comfortable, its heavy as fook, the seats are too small, and the front wheels squeak and wobble.
Also has two ultra pointless features - front suspension, inflatible treaded tyres. What the f
k is the point of treaded tyres on a vehicle without driven wheels? You don't need the grip! All they're good for is collecting dog st.
Uppababy Vista Mk1 with Rumble seat. It's a great pram - very easy to fold, rolls lovely on solid tyre, and plenty of space underneath. Never used the bassinet with it as to big to fit in car and we found the cargo rolls around too much in it. Downside is 2nd child seat faces inwards only.
Missus also bought a Baby Jogger City Select as she thought it would be more versatile when the second child came. It's a dog. The handle grip is poorly made in two halves and chafes the hands, the curvature of the handle isn't comfortable, its heavy as fook, the seats are too small, and the front wheels squeak and wobble.
Also has two ultra pointless features - front suspension, inflatible treaded tyres. What the f
k is the point of treaded tyres on a vehicle without driven wheels? You don't need the grip! All they're good for is collecting dog st. jamiebae said:
The gas cylinder trike was a Quinny Mood I assume? That's the one we bought when DS was born and I really liked it, especially how easy it was to open up when you got out of the car. In the end we sold it to my sister because we were moving abroad and had to live in a small apartment for a few weeks so just used the smaller one for that time.
I agree on the Chameleon too, it's a good bit of kit, takes a lot of abuse and has no really obvious design flaws. Most of the cheap ones have flexy plastic joints and/or horribly complicated folding mechanisms, then when they do break you can't get the parts to fix them.
It was the Quinny Buzz, from memory. Don't think they were making the Moodd 5+ years ago? Buzz seemed pretty heavy - main issue for us was with the lay flat top section being used for a newborn, it wouldn't have gone in the boot of our C5 shape A6 Avant with the load cover over. Had to go to Mothercare to prove the point to the Mrs that it was just mahoosive!I agree on the Chameleon too, it's a good bit of kit, takes a lot of abuse and has no really obvious design flaws. Most of the cheap ones have flexy plastic joints and/or horribly complicated folding mechanisms, then when they do break you can't get the parts to fix them.
Adrian E said:
It was the Quinny Buzz, from memory. Don't think they were making the Moodd 5+ years ago? Buzz seemed pretty heavy - main issue for us was with the lay flat top section being used for a newborn, it wouldn't have gone in the boot of our C5 shape A6 Avant with the load cover over. Had to go to Mothercare to prove the point to the Mrs that it was just mahoosive!
Yeah, the Moodd I guess is only 3 years old, and we managed to fit it in the boot of a Mini Clubman but it was a squeeze.Apologies if I replied to the wrong thread, or if I somehow chanced across the wrong website. For clarity, the Audi RS2 is a motorised form of transportation, especially configured for those who like that sort of thing. It probably has no place in a discussion about pushchairs, other than it can move several of them plus a couple of wrinklies at 155 mph if you're so inclined
gt69 said:
Apologies if I replied to the wrong thread, or if I somehow chanced across the wrong website. For clarity, the Audi RS2 is a motorised form of transportation, especially configured for those who like that sort of thing. It probably has no place in a discussion about pushchairs, other than it can move several of them plus a couple of wrinklies at 155 mph if you're so inclined
This is much more PH! But be careful, you don't want to incur the wrath of the resident pram club like I have. 
kapiteinlangzaam said:
St John Smythe said:
This is much more PH! But be careful, you don't want to incur the wrath of the resident pram club like I have.
You were pulled up for spouting bks, dont be surprised when that happens - no matter what the subject.gt69 said:
Apologies if I replied to the wrong thread, or if I somehow chanced across the wrong website. For clarity, the Audi RS2 is a motorised form of transportation, especially configured for those who like that sort of thing. It probably has no place in a discussion about pushchairs, other than it can move several of them plus a couple of wrinklies at 155 mph if you're so inclined
Are there any actually for sale?! Can't find one on PH or AT but haven't delved through all possible combinations of how they might be mis-described? Even carandclassic doesn't have a real one.I doubt you'd get 3 across the back seat when one is in a baby seat though - my mate's RS2 that he had nearly 20 years ago felt pretty compact, even then.
Nice cars but not sure I'd want to use one as a daily?
St John Smythe said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
St John Smythe said:
This is much more PH! But be careful, you don't want to incur the wrath of the resident pram club like I have.
You were pulled up for spouting bks, dont be surprised when that happens - no matter what the subject.I've a two year old, a lurcher, and a g/f with a abominable self-awareness of my nice things, but my RS4 is still in unscathed fine shape after 12 months of use lugging stuff around, and it's a hoot to drive.
p.s. The Panda is the mother-in-laws, not ours.
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