Are Range Rovers in fact rubbish?
Discussion
Fittster said:
If Ranger Rovers are reliable as the owners state why do they fair so badly in reliability surveys?
(and saying a Ranger Rover is more reliable than a BMW doesn't actually prove its reliable).
I can only go by my experience. Previous LRs's were s(and saying a Ranger Rover is more reliable than a BMW doesn't actually prove its reliable).
t. Haven't had a single issue with last 5 years of RR.I like the look of range rovers but would never buy one myself. Know a few people who own/have owned them. All brands of car have issues although these seem to have a few more than others.
They must get under peoples skin though neighbour had no end of trouble with one cursed about it all the time then bought another. My cousin has owned a long line of them and says its no more fragile than any other luxury motor.
They must get under peoples skin though neighbour had no end of trouble with one cursed about it all the time then bought another. My cousin has owned a long line of them and says its no more fragile than any other luxury motor.
I've just driven 8 hours in my L405 from the south of England to the north in heavy rain and rush hour traffic... and it was a breeze!
There is really nothing that can compare on the market, certainly nothing for £100k or less, that offers the combination of luxury & the unique seating position / visibility that makes long distance travelling so much less tiring. It's easy to see why people might put up with the potential for the odd gremlin here or there, the things are just so good.
There is really nothing that can compare on the market, certainly nothing for £100k or less, that offers the combination of luxury & the unique seating position / visibility that makes long distance travelling so much less tiring. It's easy to see why people might put up with the potential for the odd gremlin here or there, the things are just so good.
sealtt said:
I've just driven 8 hours in my L405 from the south of England to the north in heavy rain and rush hour traffic... and it was a breeze!
Why is it even worthy of a comment that a ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND POUND car made an 8 hour journey easy? It had fking better! Show me any car on sale in the UK at this moment in time that that journey wouldn't have been easy in. My bike has done 3 European trips without some much as a cough and I'm just about to book the fourth. As for 8 hour drives, I do that all the time on my tractor, it's not an issue in the car and there must be tens of thousands of commercial vehicles that are doing more operating hours than that 5,6,7 days a week. I'm a relatively recent LR/Range Rover convert - just over a year with the marque. But looks like a relationship that will last hehe.
I have had many other cars, a number from similar price points, and none come close to delivering as effective & enjoyable a way to travel as the Range Rover does.
Ultimately, as you say, any car could do the journey! But as with any luxury product/experience, it's how it does that journey, that makes the car that little bit special.
Willy Nilly said:
Why is it even worthy of a comment that a ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND POUND car made an 8 hour journey easy? It had fking better! Show me any car on sale in the UK at this moment in time that that journey wouldn't have been easy in. My bike has done 3 European trips without some much as a cough and I'm just about to book the fourth. As for 8 hour drives, I do that all the time on my tractor, it's not an issue in the car and there must be tens of thousands of commercial vehicles that are doing more operating hours than that 5,6,7 days a week.
Haha, a fair response to some degree! What I mean to say is, it makes the journey a pleasure - just a fantastic way to travel.king better! Show me any car on sale in the UK at this moment in time that that journey wouldn't have been easy in. My bike has done 3 European trips without some much as a cough and I'm just about to book the fourth. As for 8 hour drives, I do that all the time on my tractor, it's not an issue in the car and there must be tens of thousands of commercial vehicles that are doing more operating hours than that 5,6,7 days a week. I have had many other cars, a number from similar price points, and none come close to delivering as effective & enjoyable a way to travel as the Range Rover does.
Ultimately, as you say, any car could do the journey! But as with any luxury product/experience, it's how it does that journey, that makes the car that little bit special.
sealtt said:
Ultimately, as you say, any car could do the journey! But as with any luxury product/experience, it's how it does that journey, that makes the car that little bit special.
I would expect it to ride nicer than my little car by virtue of the fact it's much bigger and heavier, it'll be a bit quieter, more powerful and it's an auto. However, all half decent cars now are pretty good, the ergonomics are all pretty good, they are all well equipped and have good road manners, so what is your extra 10's of thousands of quid getting you? I've ridden in newish at the time S8, A8LW12 and Pork Cayenne and they're alright, but still needed a stretch when I got out of the Cayenne after an hour and a half just because I had been sat still all of the time (and the poxy thing and leather seat which I don't like one bit), no amount of luxury bits and bobs can make up for getting up and moving about. The best car I've ridden in as a passenger by miles was a test mule Galaxy. A perfect car for that 5 hour trip.
Willy Nilly said:
sealtt said:
Ultimately, as you say, any car could do the journey! But as with any luxury product/experience, it's how it does that journey, that makes the car that little bit special.
I would expect it to ride nicer than my little car by virtue of the fact it's much bigger and heavier, it'll be a bit quieter, more powerful and it's an auto. However, all half decent cars now are pretty good, the ergonomics are all pretty good, they are all well equipped and have good road manners, so what is your extra 10's of thousands of quid getting you? I've ridden in newish at the time S8, A8LW12 and Pork Cayenne and they're alright, but still needed a stretch when I got out of the Cayenne after an hour and a half just because I had been sat still all of the time (and the poxy thing and leather seat which I don't like one bit), no amount of luxury bits and bobs can make up for getting up and moving about. The best car I've ridden in as a passenger by miles was a test mule Galaxy. A perfect car for that 5 hour trip.
Fittster said:
If Ranger Rovers are reliable as the owners state why do they fair so badly in reliability surveys?
(and saying a Ranger Rover is more reliable than a BMW doesn't actually prove its reliable).
Surveys like JD Power and such like are often very subjective and can be skewed by peoples perceptions and expectations.(and saying a Ranger Rover is more reliable than a BMW doesn't actually prove its reliable).
For example someone may thing its perfectly acceptable for a £15k car to have a manufacturing fault but its not ok in a £50k car even though its ten times more complex.
Willy Nilly said:
I would expect it to ride nicer than my little car by virtue of the fact it's much bigger and heavier, it'll be a bit quieter, more powerful and it's an auto. However, all half decent cars now are pretty good, the ergonomics are all pretty good, they are all well equipped and have good road manners, so what is your extra 10's of thousands of quid getting you? I've ridden in newish at the time S8, A8LW12 and Pork Cayenne and they're alright, but still needed a stretch when I got out of the Cayenne after an hour and a half just because I had been sat still all of the time (and the poxy thing and leather seat which I don't like one bit), no amount of luxury bits and bobs can make up for getting up and moving about.
The best car I've ridden in as a passenger by miles was a test mule Galaxy. A perfect car for that 5 hour trip.
Well maybe it's just that. After many hours in the RR I'm still fresh enough that as I leave the car I don't even need to stretch!The best car I've ridden in as a passenger by miles was a test mule Galaxy. A perfect car for that 5 hour trip.
It's a combination of many things (those which you mentioned, plus the rest) which work together for a very low stress driving experience, about as stress-free as it can get driving yourself from place to place. It's not like you can't live without the luxury or that it's a different concept to any other car/4X4, but whilst my salary/budget allows I will certainly enjoy being able to drive around in such a great machine - regardless of survey reliability ratings
lostkiwi said:
Surveys like JD Power and such like are often very subjective and can be skewed by peoples perceptions and expectations.
What, like lasting more than half a day from brand new without the dashboard faults lighting up like a Christmas tree? Some people expect the moon on a stick don't they. Fussy bar stewards.k-ink said:
lostkiwi said:
Surveys like JD Power and such like are often very subjective and can be skewed by peoples perceptions and expectations.
What, like lasting more than half a day from brand new without the dashboard faults lighting up like a Christmas tree? Some people expect the moon on a stick don't they. Fussy bar stewards.king daft.There is always a one off from any manufacturer.
powerstroke said:
Its fine ... as long as people remember Land Rovers are for people who want a 4x4 and not for those who need them!!
Insightful quote. I do tend to find that in a rural community where there are a lot of 4x4s mine is one of only two or three Land Rover products. The rest are various Japanese / Subaru models.13m said:
powerstroke said:
Its fine ... as long as people remember Land Rovers are for people who want a 4x4 and not for those who need them!!
Insightful quote. I do tend to find that in a rural community where there are a lot of 4x4s mine is one of only two or three Land Rover products. The rest are various Japanese / Subaru models.Slow said:
13m said:
powerstroke said:
Its fine ... as long as people remember Land Rovers are for people who want a 4x4 and not for those who need them!!
Insightful quote. I do tend to find that in a rural community where there are a lot of 4x4s mine is one of only two or three Land Rover products. The rest are various Japanese / Subaru models.13m said:
Slow said:
13m said:
powerstroke said:
Its fine ... as long as people remember Land Rovers are for people who want a 4x4 and not for those who need them!!
Insightful quote. I do tend to find that in a rural community where there are a lot of 4x4s mine is one of only two or three Land Rover products. The rest are various Japanese / Subaru models.king grit the council put down.Just reduce the f
king council tax, make people buy winters and don't grit 
I know of a friends RR that’s on that is on its second diff – it’s about 12 months old. The proper RR not sport.
The P38’s in the family needed constant attention and annoyingly would often give up in the winter time.
All I can say is when I parked my old land cruiser next to a RR we compared the chassis parts and everything on the LC was about twice the size of the RR.
I do like classics though!
The P38’s in the family needed constant attention and annoyingly would often give up in the winter time.
All I can say is when I parked my old land cruiser next to a RR we compared the chassis parts and everything on the LC was about twice the size of the RR.
I do like classics though!
Slow said:
13m said:
powerstroke said:
Its fine ... as long as people remember Land Rovers are for people who want a 4x4 and not for those who need them!!
Insightful quote. I do tend to find that in a rural community where there are a lot of 4x4s mine is one of only two or three Land Rover products. The rest are various Japanese / Subaru models.
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