Is there such a thing as a desirable diesel?

[WinstonWolf]

DoubleD said:

WinstonWolf said:

Why? I'm happy with my choice, I bought it in part because I prefer the power delivery for the journeys I make. 27MPG, I didn't buy it to save money I bought it because I love it

You must have realised by now that you're not allowed your own opinion

So it would seem. I tried the S8 first but for a daily driver I preferred the lazy A.

It's got a "comfort" setting on the suspension FFS

[heebeegeetee]

I'm very happy with my recently purchased 2002 Smart diesel. I've just calculated it's first tank of fuel and a tank of mixed use worked out at 70.49 mpg. 246 miles cost 17 quid to fill up again. I've owned the petrol equivalent in the past, it averaged 37mpg from it's 600cc and apart from sound ( a 3 cylinder engine sounds more interesting than a 4 cylinder petrol but then so does everything else) it didn't do anything better.

So that's 70 mpg, zero car tax, 1200 quid purchase price (meaning effectively little/zero depreciation), its passed every mot with no advisories, it's in near-mint condition, and is bloody quick and easy to park in town, drives very well for 40 bhp .

It's certainly desirable to me. The money saved will be spent on holidays/weekends/outings in the Boxster and everything else on my hillcimb car and such activities.

Edited by heebeegeetee on Sunday 16th October 11:04

[heebeegeetee]

Ahbefive said:

Petrol does everythibg better bar economy.

I have found that the only real tangible difference between petrol and diesel models is that in the petrols you have to stop for fuel more often. And that's it.

[Ahbefive]

WinstonWolf said:

So it would seem. I tried the S8 first but for a daily driver I preferred the lazy A.

It's got a "comfort" setting on the suspension FFS

Did the S8 have a turbo? Comfort setting has nothing to do with the diesel engine.

[DonkeyApple]

WinstonWolf said:

Jimmy Recard said:

DonkeyApple said:

You'd be buying a petrol V8 then, preferably with forced induction.

This is it. The petrol twin turbo V8 does just as well or better but costs more to buy and run.

I've got a petrol V8 as well. For a daily I like the lazy delivery of a diesel, for fun I take the Griff

Of this, I am aware. Hence you clearly know what the word 'desirable' means and so can only conclude you've had a knock on the head recently?

[DoubleD]

You can turn this around.

Is it desirable to spend more than you need on fuel? Is it desirable stopping more often to fill up? Is a 335d undesirable?

Different people have different needs and desires, people seem to forget this.

Just to add, I have a petrol and like it very much.

[e21Mark]

Yes, an 80's ERF tractor unit like my dad used to drive when I was a boy.

[cerb4.5lee]

DoubleD said:

You can turn this around.

Is it desirable to spend more than you need on fuel? Is it desirable stopping more often to fill up?

Agree and I've never really understood why people go for the 320d over say the 330d/335d, but in fairness the more a car costs to run the less money you have for other things.

So buying a cheaper car to run can be desirable in that respect for sure, and you could argue that someone who runs a big petrol engine returning low mpg are the mugs, when you can get 60mpg from a 320d.

I just think everyone has different priorities and live and let live I reckon.

[edo]

We have a 4.2 Twin Turbo V8 Cayenne. Its monster, but still does 32mpg+, we chose it over the Turbo; real world its the better car.

[Wills2]

DoubleD said:

You can turn this around.

Is a 335d undesirable?

As car to drive and enjoy yes, on paper reading the stats no.

[DoubleD]

Wills2 said:

DoubleD said:

You can turn this around.

Is a 335d undesirable?

As car to drive and enjoy yes, on paper reading the stats no.

Undesirable to you, but not necessarily undesirable to someone else.

[Wills2]

DoubleD said:

Wills2 said:

DoubleD said:

You can turn this around.

Is a 335d undesirable?

As car to drive and enjoy yes, on paper reading the stats no.

Undesirable to you, but not necessarily undesirable to someone else.

That's how forums work, he asked question I gave my opinion?

[DoubleD]

So did I

[cerb4.5lee]

DoubleD said:

Wills2 said:

DoubleD said:

You can turn this around.

Is a 335d undesirable?

As car to drive and enjoy yes, on paper reading the stats no.

Undesirable to you, but not necessarily undesirable to someone else.

From experience I know how rough and unrewarding that engine is but I was behind one yesterday and I still like them as a car though.

I think it's the 0 to 60 time and strong mpg that I find appealing.

[Wills2]

cerb4.5lee said:

DoubleD said:

Wills2 said:

DoubleD said:

You can turn this around.

Is a 335d undesirable?

As car to drive and enjoy yes, on paper reading the stats no.

Undesirable to you, but not necessarily undesirable to someone else.

From experience I know how rough and unrewarding that engine is but I was behind one yesterday and I still like them as a car though.

I think it's the 0 to 60 time and strong mpg that I find appealing.

As I said Lee on paper stats, the way it does those things are utterly uninspiring (in my opinion of course, others may hold differing views, your mileage my vary etc....)

[cerb4.5lee]

Wills2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

DoubleD said:

Wills2 said:

DoubleD said:

You can turn this around.

Is a 335d undesirable?

As car to drive and enjoy yes, on paper reading the stats no.

Undesirable to you, but not necessarily undesirable to someone else.

From experience I know how rough and unrewarding that engine is but I was behind one yesterday and I still like them as a car though.

I think it's the 0 to 60 time and strong mpg that I find appealing.

As I said Lee on paper stats, the way it does those things are utterly uninspiring (in my opinion of course, others may hold differing views, your mileage my vary etc....)

I like what you did though Wills in that you gave the 335d a try and you soon identified it's short comings, binned it off and went back to a quick petrol.

[heebeegeetee]

Wills2 said:

As I said Lee on paper stats, the way it does those things are utterly uninspiring (in my opinion of course, others may hold differing views, your mileage my vary etc....)

I like those BMWs. The 335d estate car will do 0-100 in a bloody short time and cad do a long range on fuel. Petrol cars can't do this and never could. Petrol cars haven't really changed the motoring landscape at all but diesels have imo.

There are virtually no short-comings to the 330d/335d as far as I am concerned apart from initial cost, but that's just my opinion. There are no/few tangible differences between the pet and derv models except that you will stop for fuel more often with the petrol, and that's it.

[WinstonWolf]

Ahbefive said:

WinstonWolf said:

So it would seem. I tried the S8 first but for a daily driver I preferred the lazy A.

It's got a "comfort" setting on the suspension FFS

Did the S8 have a turbo? Comfort setting has nothing to do with the diesel engine.

I prefer the power delivery of the diesel. Not everyone will but some of us do.

I only got drawn in when someone said everyone bought diesels to save money. Running costs didn't feature in my decision making process...

[WinstonWolf]

DonkeyApple said:

WinstonWolf said:

Jimmy Recard said:

DonkeyApple said:

You'd be buying a petrol V8 then, preferably with forced induction.

This is it. The petrol twin turbo V8 does just as well or better but costs more to buy and run.

I've got a petrol V8 as well. For a daily I like the lazy delivery of a diesel, for fun I take the Griff

Of this, I am aware. Hence you clearly know what the word 'desirable' means and so can only conclude you've had a knock on the head recently?

I've had many, I love both cars but for different reasons

[Wills2]

heebeegeetee said:

Wills2 said:

As I said Lee on paper stats, the way it does those things are utterly uninspiring (in my opinion of course, others may hold differing views, your mileage my vary etc....)

I like those BMWs. The 335d estate car will do 0-100 in a bloody short time and cad do a long range on fuel. Petrol cars can't do this and never could. Petrol cars haven't really changed the motoring landscape at all but diesels have imo.

There are virtually no short-comings to the 330d/335d as far as I am concerned apart from initial cost, but that's just my opinion. There are no/few tangible differences between the pet and derv models except that you will stop for fuel more often with the petrol, and that's it.

And that's the thing, I think the total opposite to you. I found it utterly boring, mundane, not that economical or that quick over 60mph coupled with a floaty/wallowy suspension matched only by the numb brakes gave a very undesirable but quite expensive car.

But ETTO!