RE: New Porsche Cayman R Revealed

[Tallbut Buxomly]

juansolo said:

Tallbut Buxomly said:

juansolo said:

Tallbut Buxomly said:

I read this in my autocar and burst out laughing when i got to the bit about it costing 5k more than the normal cayman s.

Porsche knows its's buyers so well. Less for more. This has to be a running German joke i know they do have an odd but very cool sense of humour.

...and it's also complete bks. Like with the Spyder, add the bits that the R has to the S and you'll find it' costs significantly more.

Really??? You think???? So no climate/aircon cue one £1000+ less system no radio at lets say another £1000 more or less nevermind the other odds and sods not added to " make it lighter".


Sure i agree well worth the 5k premium for a remap cost 2-300 quid and some new suspension.

Edited by Tallbut Buxomly on Wednesday 17th November 21:35

Go to the porsche configurator and spec a Cayman S with the bits that a Cayman R has on it. The sports pack, LSD, Bucket seats alone add a good £5k to the price. Then there's the odds and sods like painted trim strips and centre consoles. Remember *everything* on a Porsche is usually an option. When you're done you're easily be north of the base price of the R that has all these as standard. Exactly the same is true of the Spyder.

Edit, infact I'm bored enough to do this, one sec...

£53,584 Though I'm sure I missed some bits:

Cayman S £ 45,048.00

Country Packages
Design Sports Package P45 £ 3,471.00

Exterior Colour
Black A1 £ 0.00

Interior Colour
Black Sport Seats leather AP £ 985.00

Exterior
Top tinted windscreen 567 £ 67.00

Transmission / Chassis
Limited slip rear differential lock 220 £ 753.00
Manual Transmission R01 £ 0.00

Wheels
19 inch Boxster Spyder Wheel 445 £ 0.00

Interior
Seat belts in Guards Red XSX £ 162.00
Rear section of centre console in exterior colour XME £ 333.00
Sports bucket seats P03 £ 1,981.00

Others
3rd Year Porsche Assistance A01 £ 169.00
3rd Year Warranty WO2 £ 615.00
Total Price* £ 53,584.00

Which is a saving of £1850 or so, plus you get an extra 10hp, nice suspension and save about 40kg in weight (realistically). So yes, I do think. Remember automatic climate control is an extra on an S too... Christ even the rear wiper isn't standard.

Edited by juansolo on Wednesday 17th November 23:23

I know all manufacturers have options list but the highlighted bit kinda makes my point.

This car is simply another way for porsche to sell pretty much the same car for more money. II understand correctly you are saying the s is only 1-1.5k less when specced the same???

[juansolo]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

I know all manufacturers have options list but the highlighted bit kinda makes my point.

This car is simply another way for porsche to sell pretty much the same car for more money. II understand correctly you are saying the s is only 1-1.5k less when specced the same???

Actually the opposite, in the same trim the R is £1800 cheaper than the S and has extras like the suspension and extra hp.

[sledge68]

ok, the guy was simling and put a thumbs up, and he was trying, maybe he was humouring me, he seemed to be trying to beat me,

my point was this new car is no quicker than my 13 yr old car that cost me £2000

and an unrestricted GTb will see 165mph

aggreed to disagree

Martin

Beefmeister said:

sledge68 said:

you like it, i dont, there is no need for derogatory comments,

an opinion is not wrong, its different

i was jesting about the Carrera 4S as the guy in it actually laughed as i out accelerated him off a roundabout

please refrain from being rude

its nice to be important, but more important to be nice

Beefmeister said:

sledge68 said:

Porsche collaborated with Subaru in the development of the Legacy GTB.

Maybe if i said i had out performed him in my integrale i would get a different comment?

Beefmeister said:

sledge68 said:

you can go 911 baiting in a legacy gtb, carrera 4 s dealt with on sunday along the a3

Well i bet the Porsche driver was incensed with rage and embarrassment. I bet he went home, killed his wife in anger, then burnt the C4S to a crisp with her bloodied, lifeless body inside.


Or maybe, just maybe, he was quite happy in his lovely Porsche and didn't give a crap that someone in a Subaru 'dealt with him'...

I shall repost what i said earlier today, as it's fitting...

Earlier I said:

• <- the point______________________________________________you ->

Chortle. All i said was that you are missing the point. The fact that you are saying you 'dealt with' someone in a £70k Coupe in either car is the point - the Porsche driver wouldn't have cared either way.

Lets agree to disagree eh?

[sledge68]

we were both accelerating hard off a roundabout, me in the outside lane him on the inside, he was trying as i could hear the engine note

he waved smiled and did a thumbs up it was all in good humour

i dont go baiting cars but he seemed up for a short blast

Wills2 said:

sledge68 said:

Porsche collaborated with Subaru in the development of the Legacy GTB.

Maybe if i said i had out performed him in my integrale i would get a different comment?

Beefmeister said:

sledge68 said:

you can go 911 baiting in a legacy gtb, carrera 4 s dealt with on sunday along the a3

Well i bet the Porsche driver was incensed with rage and embarrassment. I bet he went home, killed his wife in anger, then burnt the C4S to a crisp with her bloodied, lifeless body inside.


Or maybe, just maybe, he was quite happy in his lovely Porsche and didn't give a crap that someone in a Subaru 'dealt with him'...

Edited by Beefmeister on Wednesday 17th November 16:12

When you say out peformed him? Do you actually mean you over took him because you were prepared to go faster than him?

I imagine he's part ex'ing it as we speak....

[juansolo]

The point is that my Juno cost an insignificant fraction of just about any supercar you can think of yet will be faster around a track. Would that make the guy in the Scuderia feel somehow inadequate or that he'd made a catastrophic error in buying a Ferrari? No of course not. Because people don't buy cars just because one is faster and cheaper than the other. For a great many people it's way down the list of priorities

I'm also quite aware that most hot hatches these days will tear my 2.7 Cayman a new one. In fact a lot of modern TDs will be quicker when it comes to in-gear acceleration. Oddly I couldn't desire a hot hatch less and really don't want a TD barge. It's about how a car drives and makes you feel. I strongly recommend you have a go in a bog standard Elise S with the little engine. After a little while, you'll understand what we mean. Speed isn't everything.

sledge68 said:

ok, the guy was simling and put a thumbs up, and he was trying, maybe he was humouring me, he seemed to be trying to beat me,

my point was this new car is no quicker than my 13 yr old car that cost me £2000

and an unrestricted GTb will see 165mph

aggreed to disagree

Martin

Edited by juansolo on Thursday 18th November 07:15

[havoc]

Wills2 said:

Can we get this back OT please?....The 911 discuss.....

OK, who has driven a Cayman and a 911 back-to-back? Who went on to buy the 911? And who the Cayman?!?

[kambites]

RobM77 said:

I don't know which way this would tilt the figures, but it'd be interesting to see some real cars weighed. Evo's super saloon test this month showed the 'lardy' M3 to be lighter than the quoted weight, whereas the Audi, Merc and other car tested were all over the quoted weight by a considerable margin. I think this is because most weights are dry, and BMW weigh and test wet and with passengers, luggage etc.

Well my Elise happened to be bang on Lotus' stated figure with around half a tank of fuel and the usual crap that I keep in the boot. Has anyone weighed a modern Porsche to compare it to Porsche's published weight?

Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th November 08:39

[jellison]

Still weight 1350kg.

So BIG F8cking deal.

Non story....

[Porscheplayer]

havoc said:

Porscheplayer said:

I think you’re looking through rose tintes glass with older cars, the NSX is turd compared to a modern Porsche GT3, its very tinny and slow by modern standards

Oh dear, you can't help but troll, can you?!? Quite clearly you've never driven one...


But go on, I'll bit - in what way?
Composure? Nope. NSX is still highly rated.
Ride? Most definitely not - GT3s are bone-shakers and aren't really 'GT' cars in the classic sense. NSX has a magic-carpet ride for a supercar.
Sound? Very close.
Involvement? Again, close.
Feedback? Porsches excel at that, but there have been plenty of mutterings that the 997 isn't as good as past Porkers. I'm not convinced by the PAS on the NSX (Variable geo and variable assistance), but that's my one complaint.
Throttle response? The early NSXs (throttle-cable) will have that one hands-down. Not driven a GT3 to comment, but the later NSX has one of the best DBW throttles around.
Sense of occasion? Also close - depends on your perspective.
Looks? Quite the opposite.

The 997 GT3 is clearly quicker and grippier, sure, and will show an NSX the way around the 'ring. But not everyone views that as progress...and TBH you'd deserve to be locked up if you reached even the NSX's limits on most public roads.

As for 'tinny' - - my 14y.o. car still feels hewn from granite despite being (at most) no heavier than a 997 GT3. And pace - my standard 3.0 keeps up with the E46 M3, which is hardly slow. Not bad for a 14y.o. car with only 270bhp, eh?


So if you'd care to stop your offensive trolling and start adding something meaningful to the topic, please do. Otherwise do us all a favour and fk off.


(If you don't believe me, believe a friend who used to own a 996 C4, who completely unprompted said of my (95k mile so hardly box-fresh) NSX - "that's the best car I've ever driven - if I had £20k right now I'd be sorely tempted.")

What are you talking about…Trolling?

This is a Porsche thread and you started drawing comparison to other cars.

You should probably get your facts right 'captain angry' before making idiotic assumptions. I have driven an NSX and been in the passenger seat around a track. Wasn’t that impressed, the steering felt a bit slow, the car didn’t feel very quick and the interior was like something from an 80’s Bradford Taxi, this was years ago, so would feel even slower now.

Then you go on to try and justify your NSX against a GT3 (which you’ve never driven and know nothing about), basically like you mention in your other post, how owners don’t give a ‘warts and all view’ and have a completely skewed view of there own cars, oh the irony of it.

May I remind you, I have owned and sold the Cayman, I have no axe to grind and feel I have a pretty balanced view of most cars, certainly more than someone who’s done a quick test drive.

The only person I’ve offended is a NSX fan boy who should know better than to get his arse out because I called his car tinny, my other comments in this tread are valid and I will post what I like, thanks.

Who are you to deciding what is relative or not and then get all huffy about it if someone disagrees with you, I bet you don’t speak to people like that face to face, but of course its done without fear of reprisal on a internet forum. You’re a superb example of a feckless internet warrior, you should be very proud.

Grow up!

Edited by Porscheplayer on Thursday 18th November 09:25

[jellison]

Ooh, Get over yourselves.

It is just another iteration of a Porker with a bit less weight (but still very very).

Only way to make it go is drop a GT2 engine in it.

Bar that, it will look nice outside the Coffee / Wine Bar!

[jackal]

Great Pretender said:

juansolo said:

A massive disappointment. Air-con is essential in a coupe and rubbish though the radio is, most people spec it, when you add those back there's little in the way of weight saving. If you were allowed to pick the combination of options on the Cayman S, the only things this car is adding of worth is the Spyder suspension and a tiny hike in power. They've not gone anywhere near far enough with this.

Also I don't like the spoiler and was hoping for something more along the lines of the Spyder in that respect. It's lazy just slapping the aero pack on and painting a few things black. The spyder *looks* special. This is just a parts bin special. Even if it was using the bumpers/spoiler from the Spyder, at least then they'd both have the same look.

The half-arsedness of it all is a show stopper for me. They had a real opportunity to give the Cayman some teeth here and they've once again cowered away behind the bulbous rump of a 911. Very disappointing, but on the plus side it saves me a load of cash so I'm not complaining too much.

Edited by juansolo on Wednesday 17th November 10:25

Agree with this.

I was seriously hoping the much anticipated 'Cayman ClubSport' would be just that: a stripped out special in the mould of the 968CS.

Those days are over !

Not even the 997 RS is a proper RS anymore.

We are in the age of the ipod.

Times have changed (for the worse).

Either buy a cateraham, or put your socks and your slippers on and grab your copy of stuff magazine.

[Beefmeister]

jellison said:

Ooh, Get over yourselves.

It is just another iteration of a Porker with a bit less weight (but still very very).

Only way to make it go is drop a GT2 engine in it.

Bar that, it will look nice outside the Coffee / Wine Bar!

Given your eclectic (and very nice) selection of cars, i find that a surprisingly blinkered view.

The Cayman S is a fantastic car to drive, and i don't understand the comment that a 330bhp car weighing 1300kg 'won't go'.

And at the end of the day, despite what the website says, it's not all about speed...

[jellison]

Beefmeister said:

jellison said:

Ooh, Get over yourselves.

It is just another iteration of a Porker with a bit less weight (but still very very).

Only way to make it go is drop a GT2 engine in it.

Bar that, it will look nice outside the Coffee / Wine Bar!

Given your eclectic (and very nice) selection of cars, i find that a surprisingly blinkered view.

The Cayman S is a fantastic car to drive, and i don't understand the comment that a 330bhp car weighing 1300kg 'won't go'.

And at the end of the day, despite what the website says, it's not all about speed...

Let me clarify that. They are tasty cars and (did not realise they have tweeked them to 330bhp now) and I hear handld really well (mind Porker do just seem to wack on the BIGGEST steam roller tyres they can find and get performance (ultimate grip) that way. But they are still very heavy. That is the same weight as a larger V8 C6Z06 7litre.

That is waht I am getting at.

[squeezebm]

havoc said:

Wills2 said:

Can we get this back OT please?....The 911 discuss.....

OK, who has driven a Cayman and a 911 back-to-back? Who went on to buy the 911? And who the Cayman?!?

Me and picked the Cayman

[Hitch78]

jellison said:

Beefmeister said:

jellison said:

Ooh, Get over yourselves.

It is just another iteration of a Porker with a bit less weight (but still very very).

Only way to make it go is drop a GT2 engine in it.

Bar that, it will look nice outside the Coffee / Wine Bar!

Given your eclectic (and very nice) selection of cars, i find that a surprisingly blinkered view.

The Cayman S is a fantastic car to drive, and i don't understand the comment that a 330bhp car weighing 1300kg 'won't go'.

And at the end of the day, despite what the website says, it's not all about speed...

Let me clarify that. They are tasty cars and (did not realise they have tweeked them to 330bhp now) and I hear handld really well (mind Porker do just seem to wack on the BIGGEST steam roller tyres they can find and get performance (ultimate grip) that way. But they are still very heavy. That is the same weight as a larger V8 C6Z06 7litre.

That is waht I am getting at.

But the Corvette still only seats two, is made of old sweet wrappers and is about as nice a place to be as Luton. They are not comparable cars.

In reality, for most drivers myself included, a Cayman S is as much a performance car as you will ever need. I appreciate that they haven't gone far enough with the R and (name issues aside) that is a shame but anyone who claims either car is not fast or 'won't go' is talking from a point of reading about cars rather than driving them; there is always something quicker on paper.

Edited by Hitch78 on Thursday 18th November 10:00

[jellison]

Hitch78 said:

jellison said:

Beefmeister said:

jellison said:

Ooh, Get over yourselves.

It is just another iteration of a Porker with a bit less weight (but still very very).

Only way to make it go is drop a GT2 engine in it.

Bar that, it will look nice outside the Coffee / Wine Bar!

Given your eclectic (and very nice) selection of cars, i find that a surprisingly blinkered view.

The Cayman S is a fantastic car to drive, and i don't understand the comment that a 330bhp car weighing 1300kg 'won't go'.

And at the end of the day, despite what the website says, it's not all about speed...

Let me clarify that. They are tasty cars and (did not realise they have tweeked them to 330bhp now) and I hear handld really well (mind Porker do just seem to wack on the BIGGEST steam roller tyres they can find and get performance (ultimate grip) that way. But they are still very heavy. That is the same weight as a larger V8 C6Z06 7litre.

That is waht I am getting at.

But the Corvette still only seats two, is made of old sweet wrappers and is about as nice a place to be as Luton. They are not comparable cars.

In reality, for most drivers myself included, a Cayman S is as much a performance car as you will ever need. I appreciate that they haven't gone far enough with the R and (name issues aside) that is a shame but anyone who claims either car is not fast or 'won't go' is talking from a point of reading about cars rather than driving them; there is always something quicker on paper.

I am fairly conversamt with going properly fast.

Anyone who would take a Cayman over a 7litre C6 Corvette ain't a Petrolhead.

Don't get me wrong they are nice, just not enough power to weight and Noise for the money.

[Hitch78]

jellison said:

Hitch78 said:

jellison said:

Beefmeister said:

jellison said:

Ooh, Get over yourselves.

It is just another iteration of a Porker with a bit less weight (but still very very).

Only way to make it go is drop a GT2 engine in it.

Bar that, it will look nice outside the Coffee / Wine Bar!

Given your eclectic (and very nice) selection of cars, i find that a surprisingly blinkered view.

The Cayman S is a fantastic car to drive, and i don't understand the comment that a 330bhp car weighing 1300kg 'won't go'.

And at the end of the day, despite what the website says, it's not all about speed...

Let me clarify that. They are tasty cars and (did not realise they have tweeked them to 330bhp now) and I hear handld really well (mind Porker do just seem to wack on the BIGGEST steam roller tyres they can find and get performance (ultimate grip) that way. But they are still very heavy. That is the same weight as a larger V8 C6Z06 7litre.

That is waht I am getting at.

But the Corvette still only seats two, is made of old sweet wrappers and is about as nice a place to be as Luton. They are not comparable cars.

In reality, for most drivers myself included, a Cayman S is as much a performance car as you will ever need. I appreciate that they haven't gone far enough with the R and (name issues aside) that is a shame but anyone who claims either car is not fast or 'won't go' is talking from a point of reading about cars rather than driving them; there is always something quicker on paper.

I am fairly conversamt with going properly fast.

Anyone who would take a Cayman over a 7litre C6 Corvette ain't a Petrolhead.

Don't get me wrong they are nice, just not enough power to weight and Noise for the money.

I appreciate your, er, prowess (?!) but you are projecting your preferences, as nice as they are, as fact. I went from a Boxster S (for some of the reasons you list) to a Mustang GT and have been looking at Corvettes but they're horrific places to spend any serious amount of time.

For most of us the thing that you drive fast is also the thing that you drive everyday. Porsches are pretty good at covering both needs. A Cayman S with a less restrictive exhaust will be my next attempt at finding the balance which is right for me.

Edited by Hitch78 on Thursday 18th November 10:23

[jellison]

Hitch78 said:

jellison said:

Hitch78 said:

jellison said:

Beefmeister said:

jellison said:

Ooh, Get over yourselves.

It is just another iteration of a Porker with a bit less weight (but still very very).

Only way to make it go is drop a GT2 engine in it.

Bar that, it will look nice outside the Coffee / Wine Bar!

Given your eclectic (and very nice) selection of cars, i find that a surprisingly blinkered view.

The Cayman S is a fantastic car to drive, and i don't understand the comment that a 330bhp car weighing 1300kg 'won't go'.

And at the end of the day, despite what the website says, it's not all about speed...

Let me clarify that. They are tasty cars and (did not realise they have tweeked them to 330bhp now) and I hear handld really well (mind Porker do just seem to wack on the BIGGEST steam roller tyres they can find and get performance (ultimate grip) that way. But they are still very heavy. That is the same weight as a larger V8 C6Z06 7litre.

That is waht I am getting at.

But the Corvette still only seats two, is made of old sweet wrappers and is about as nice a place to be as Luton. They are not comparable cars.

In reality, for most drivers myself included, a Cayman S is as much a performance car as you will ever need. I appreciate that they haven't gone far enough with the R and (name issues aside) that is a shame but anyone who claims either car is not fast or 'won't go' is talking from a point of reading about cars rather than driving them; there is always something quicker on paper.

I am fairly conversamt with going properly fast.

Anyone who would take a Cayman over a 7litre C6 Corvette ain't a Petrolhead.

Don't get me wrong they are nice, just not enough power to weight and Noise for the money.

I appreciate your, er, prowess (?!) but you are projecting your preferences, as nice as they are, as fact. I went from a Boxster S (for some of the reasons you list) to a Mustang GT and have been looking at Corvettes but they're horrific places to spend any serious amount of time.

For most of us the thing that you drive fast is also the thing that you drive everyday. Porsches are pretty good at covering both needs. A Cayman S with a less restrictive exhaust will be my next attempt at finding the balance which is right for me.

Edited by Hitch78 on Thursday 18th November 10:23

Boxter to a Mustang a strange change of direction. Quality product to bargain basement. You should get Caymen S pronto.

No comparing a Mustang to a Vette (one is like the pound shop and the other Sainsburys - Ok the Porker is more like Waitrose but less go).

So how much cheaper is a Cayman R than a GT3?

[DoctorD]

jellison said:

So how much cheaper is a Cayman R than a GT3?

The Cayman R is £37k cheaper, without taking into account the differences in standard spec..

[jellison]

DoctorD said:

jellison said:

So how much cheaper is a Cayman R than a GT3?

The Cayman R is £37k cheaper, without taking into account the differences in standard spec..

Now that is Alot. Anyone do a blower for the Cayman or anyone dropped a GT3 lump in one?