GT86 Full Autocar Road Test
Discussion
HBFS said:
Though, with all this being said. There are lots of people involved in the production of this car that know more than me...
There's an interview with Tsuchiya in CAR this month about his involvement with the car. One of his suggestions was a 2.5 n/a engine or a turbo as he was a bit worried about the power. He's pleased with the overall balance of the carTop Gear mag have got it all over the new issue
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/behind-the-scenes...
You might have a guess at the winner from the line-up in the vid above if you haven't read the mag
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/behind-the-scenes...
You might have a guess at the winner from the line-up in the vid above if you haven't read the mag
HBFS said:
s m said:
There's an interview with Tsuchiya in CAR this month about his involvement with the car. One of his suggestions was a 2.5 n/a engine or a turbo as he was a bit worried about the power. He's pleased with the overall balance of the car
Hmmm, he's hardly going to say disappointed though right?Be interesting to have heard some more about his £80k AE86 as well
MC Bodge said:
From what I've seen over the years, on the road, the skill/knowledge/attitude of the person holding the wheel(improving this makes the biggest difference) and forward observation have the most influence on progress. Secure, positive, responsive, lively handling and balance of the vehicle contribute to the enjoyment and the way the car can be driven. All-out engine performance lags some way behind, even though we all want it, even if we don't need it.
Have you had a read of that one?
I think next month's EVO should be a good read.
Manual GT86 vs manual ( this time ) BRZ - the handling nuances of each will be a good comparison with maybe an old timer counterpoint
StormLoaded said:
My mrs brought a GT86 home for the eve from work.
The 20min journey each way to the restaurant we decided to take it to turned into 3 hrs of b road blasting (a little A road too) the very long way there/back!!
Great fun .. Can't stop grinning.
I take it she works for a Toyota dealer? The 20min journey each way to the restaurant we decided to take it to turned into 3 hrs of b road blasting (a little A road too) the very long way there/back!!
Great fun .. Can't stop grinning.
There's a lady near my Mum's house who works at a Mini dealership - she seems to get some nice stuff to pop home in
MarkRSi said:
I think it's being mentioned subtly in a few other posts, but does anyone think that the gear ratios are too long after driving one?
I had a go in one a couple of weeks ago http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... and it's one of the things that came to me looking back.
While I'm in the 'it's fast enough' camp, one thing I don't think helped was the longish gear ratios. It's a bit odd a car which isn't designed to deliver numbers is geared to hit 100kph in 2nd...
My old CTR (FN2) was geared for 55mph in 2nd and 75mph in 3rd, the later being a very useful overtaking gear allowing from some margin over 60 just in case. On the other hand my MR2 Roadster is similarly geared to the GT86 (60 in 2nd and 90 in 3rd), unfortunately this makes 2nd a little buzzy, and possibly requiring a mid overtake gearchange, while 3rd doesn't have the same punch.
If the GT86 was geared for simliarly to the FN2 it would have the following benefits IMO
I'd suggest keeping 6th the same ratio and use wider spacing in the upper gears - in my MR2 4th/5th/6th are so close together they could have missed out 5th gear and no one would be none the wiser, yet it cruises comfortably at 3000rpm at 70mph.
I don't have a chance to drive one for a few days but it'll be interesting to see.I had a go in one a couple of weeks ago http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... and it's one of the things that came to me looking back.
While I'm in the 'it's fast enough' camp, one thing I don't think helped was the longish gear ratios. It's a bit odd a car which isn't designed to deliver numbers is geared to hit 100kph in 2nd...
My old CTR (FN2) was geared for 55mph in 2nd and 75mph in 3rd, the later being a very useful overtaking gear allowing from some margin over 60 just in case. On the other hand my MR2 Roadster is similarly geared to the GT86 (60 in 2nd and 90 in 3rd), unfortunately this makes 2nd a little buzzy, and possibly requiring a mid overtake gearchange, while 3rd doesn't have the same punch.
If the GT86 was geared for simliarly to the FN2 it would have the following benefits IMO
- More punch in 2nd gear out of bends without resorting to 1st
- 3rd gear more useful for overtaking if you're not hooning
- Shorter ratios would be more suitable for the low-speed thrills the cars offers from it's handling.
- The shorter ratios would mean more gearchanges required when pushing on, which would give the perception of the car being faster (Fast and the Furious, anyone?
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I'd suggest keeping 6th the same ratio and use wider spacing in the upper gears - in my MR2 4th/5th/6th are so close together they could have missed out 5th gear and no one would be none the wiser, yet it cruises comfortably at 3000rpm at 70mph.
I guess they have to take into account emissions/mpg as well these days whereas it wasn't so important all those years ago
Similar cars to the Top Gear article in Autocar's one. Slowest but pretty much the most fun on the hill route. Surprised the Escort was that much quicker considering the tyres are barely much wider and the transmission losses.
Impressive jump speed for the GT86 though - must have been thinking of the cover shot!
Impressive jump speed for the GT86 though - must have been thinking of the cover shot!
Baron Greenback said:
Finally seen my first GT86 onthe road with a slight bodykit i think. I did like the look of the car i must admit!
Yes, see the odd one about now - don't think Ive seen a BRZ yet though.One thing that struct me about the EVO test was how light all those cars weighed in at - the two rwd'ers seemed to be about 35kg lighter than any others - scale discrepancy maybe
the-photographer said:
Maybe not fashionable for PH, but September What Car says:
In the EVO test, they gave the other cars 5 stars except the GT86 ( 4 stars ). They picked the GT86 over the BRZ in a prelim for the group test ( DC2, M3, Clio Cup )- Megane 265 Cup
- Audi TT 2.0T
- Subaru BRZ (plenty of flaws you'll love it on a twisty road)
- GT86 (Not as agile as the BRZ, so has to settle for forth)
otolith said:
A front wheel drive hatchback based car is good enough for most people's low standards. You can see why BMW is so keen to go fwd on its smaller cars. It should probably do the whole range, it isn't as if most people deserve any better.
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