Citroen Xantia Activa????
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Simps said:
Get a Soarer Active instead.
Similar sort of thing, only with the right numbers of cylinders. That and the fact that it isn't french!
Curious. Do they have the same anti roll capabity or is their active system more akin to a regular Xantia rather than the Activa model?Similar sort of thing, only with the right numbers of cylinders. That and the fact that it isn't french!
Cheers.
BlueMR2 said:
300bhp/ton said:
Simps said:
Get a Soarer Active instead.
Similar sort of thing, only with the right numbers of cylinders. That and the fact that it isn't french!
Curious. Do they have the same anti roll capabity or is their active system more akin to a regular Xantia rather than the Activa model?Similar sort of thing, only with the right numbers of cylinders. That and the fact that it isn't french!
Cheers.
Thanks.
BlueMR2 said:
My post in the moose test thread said:
I cant comment on the Citroen setup as i know nothing about it, however i will talk about the car i owned previously.
Your example uses two passive cars with identical spring rates one having some odd anti roll bar that can change its stiffness. This makes me think you still don't understand for a few reasons.
1. A fully active car has no anti roll bars, it doesn't need them, so you can't change them during the drive as there are none to change.
2. Spring rate, sorry but fully active doesn't have any springs either.
You later talk about moving to fully active systems, the ones like i'm talking about, which is why i call it active suspension, like Toyota were producing on their cars 20 years ago.
http://planetsoarer.com/UZZ32/uzz32.html < shows you details from Toyotas work and reasons for using it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHK_2eoBaFU < this is a video of an active soarer followed by a standard coil suspension soarer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2QV_PaUWhs < this one shows he range of motion available doing the diagnostic "dance"
This image shows an active suspension soarer at the same corner as a tems airbag suspension soarer
This shows the angle of a racing 944 against an active soarer
http://planetsoarer.com/UZZ30/UZZ30.htm < this link is a review of a normal coil suspension owners drive of an active suspension model.
I'll pass on driving a RRS unless you want to give it a proper active suspension system thanks. I doubr a bit of extra rollbar stiffness will make it that nice to drive. Maybe 4 wheel steer would help it
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Bet the Activa doesn't have those dance moves Your example uses two passive cars with identical spring rates one having some odd anti roll bar that can change its stiffness. This makes me think you still don't understand for a few reasons.
1. A fully active car has no anti roll bars, it doesn't need them, so you can't change them during the drive as there are none to change.
2. Spring rate, sorry but fully active doesn't have any springs either.
You later talk about moving to fully active systems, the ones like i'm talking about, which is why i call it active suspension, like Toyota were producing on their cars 20 years ago.
http://planetsoarer.com/UZZ32/uzz32.html < shows you details from Toyotas work and reasons for using it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHK_2eoBaFU < this is a video of an active soarer followed by a standard coil suspension soarer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2QV_PaUWhs < this one shows he range of motion available doing the diagnostic "dance"
This image shows an active suspension soarer at the same corner as a tems airbag suspension soarer
This shows the angle of a racing 944 against an active soarer
http://planetsoarer.com/UZZ30/UZZ30.htm < this link is a review of a normal coil suspension owners drive of an active suspension model.
I'll pass on driving a RRS unless you want to give it a proper active suspension system thanks. I doubr a bit of extra rollbar stiffness will make it that nice to drive. Maybe 4 wheel steer would help it
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Actually read it this time and clicked on the links
So do you have a Soarer then? Also how rare/costly is an active Soarer in the UK? I've seen regualr 4.0 litre GT examples as low as £1400 in really tidy condition. Suspect a 2.5T with active suspension would be worth more, but I'm not sure how much more.
BlueMR2 said:
I used to own one. It was very expensive to run.
I'm not sure on current prices, they are very rare, they only made 873 for the Japanese market around 20 years ago, so as you can imagine there are less around now. There are a few in the UK as well as Australia.
Knowledge improves as time goes on as well, but it is hard as unlike the base models sold in the US as Lexus they are Japanese only so the workshop manuals are in Japanese only.
You can only buy an active with the 4L V8, no other engine option, so no 2.5tt active. However the engines respond well to supercharging if in good condition.
The 4ws is surprisingly useful when parking and reduces the turning circle from 10.8 meters from the standard cars to 9.8 meters.
Many of these are fully kitted out however some of the features are/can include. EMV (touchscreen) for stereo (radio and 12 cd changer) heater and (no use outside Japan) sat nav. Supersonic heated mirrors to get rid of ice, rear view camera. Rear air purifier, rear wiper, cool 3D floating dash for speed etc. As well as active suspension and 4 wheel steering.
Cheers for the info.I'm not sure on current prices, they are very rare, they only made 873 for the Japanese market around 20 years ago, so as you can imagine there are less around now. There are a few in the UK as well as Australia.
Knowledge improves as time goes on as well, but it is hard as unlike the base models sold in the US as Lexus they are Japanese only so the workshop manuals are in Japanese only.
You can only buy an active with the 4L V8, no other engine option, so no 2.5tt active. However the engines respond well to supercharging if in good condition.
The 4ws is surprisingly useful when parking and reduces the turning circle from 10.8 meters from the standard cars to 9.8 meters.
Many of these are fully kitted out however some of the features are/can include. EMV (touchscreen) for stereo (radio and 12 cd changer) heater and (no use outside Japan) sat nav. Supersonic heated mirrors to get rid of ice, rear view camera. Rear air purifier, rear wiper, cool 3D floating dash for speed etc. As well as active suspension and 4 wheel steering.
What made it so expensive to run? Parts or was it unreliable?
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