Why hasn't the 370z worked?
Discussion
The Hypno-Toad said:
No badge residual compared to Porsche/BMW/Audi competitors and 20mpg if you are lucky, which was about 5 less than the car it was replacing. Plus short on new supply due to the tsunami.
Shame, quite a nice car especially in the convertible form.
I think the residuals are actually quite good (I bloody well hope so anyway!), and I'm getting way above 20mpg and I don't hang around.Shame, quite a nice car especially in the convertible form.
I too am puzzled why they aren't more popular - I'm loving mine and the tech on board is really quite useful. Maybe Nissan doesn't have the right image - when people ask me what it is and I tell them, the typical reaction is 'Oh - would never have guessed'..
Anyway, a piccie of mine
I never much liked the 350Z, but it seemed reasonably popular for a niche car as was the RX8.
I prefer the 370Z, but by comparison it seems almost mythical (I struggle to think when I saw one last that wasn't on a dealer forecourt or a show stand), much like the RX8 R3.
I guess the combination of rocketing fuel costs and emission related RFL (plus the gas-guzzler new car tax) probably killed them both in the UK market.
Not sure I'd look past a Cayman to a 370Z though...
M.
I prefer the 370Z, but by comparison it seems almost mythical (I struggle to think when I saw one last that wasn't on a dealer forecourt or a show stand), much like the RX8 R3.
I guess the combination of rocketing fuel costs and emission related RFL (plus the gas-guzzler new car tax) probably killed them both in the UK market.
Not sure I'd look past a Cayman to a 370Z though...
M.
had ham said:
I think the residuals are actually quite good (I bloody well hope so anyway!), and I'm getting way above 20mpg and I don't hang around.
Very surprised at that. My friend had one for a few months and the best he got was 24mpg. Maybe the engine takes awhile to bed in?
Anyway, a piccie of mine
Very nice. Is that what they called Black Rose? Sort of metallic black/purple colour? That was the same as my friend had.Very surprised at that. My friend had one for a few months and the best he got was 24mpg. Maybe the engine takes awhile to bed in?
Anyway, a piccie of mine
My wife was looking at one to replace her z4 Coupe when they were launched.
The 'offers' were ridiculous at the time - something like £599 a month with an £8K deposit - you can currently get a new Z4 Sdrive28i for £6987 deposit and £389 a month.
They dont seem to be offering much better now either.
The 'offers' were ridiculous at the time - something like £599 a month with an £8K deposit - you can currently get a new Z4 Sdrive28i for £6987 deposit and £389 a month.
They dont seem to be offering much better now either.
300bhp/ton said:
Ok, but in reality the UK market, or potential market is pretty tiny for such a car.
I mean, truly how many R3 RX-8's, 135i's, Z4M's or TT RS's do you see?
You don't even see many 350z's on UK roads.
There are lots of reasons:
-Badge, as stupid as it is, it likely plays a part
-Running costs, with pricey fuel and road tax, those that could afford a new one, could also afford a used Porsche or M3. Which kind of makes you have to really want the 370z for the same outlay
-2 seat only, which hugely limits appeal compared to 2+2 coupes or 4 door cars like an Evo
Also, as a side question, did Nissan actually allocate or bring many into the UK? You might not see many, but in terms of expected sales they might have sold brilliantly well.
e.g. I was a couple of year ago interested in a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. Jeep UK are pretty f
king useless though...... and had released to the media we expect Rubicon sales to be the lowest of the new line up.
No st, and do you know why they were the lowest - because Jeep UK had a grand total of 19 Rubicons. All of which pre-sold the best part of 6+ months before launch.
Agree with all your points other than the first line of comparisons. You can get a fully loaded 370z for around £30 if you shop about, the last TT RS I saw was £45k!I mean, truly how many R3 RX-8's, 135i's, Z4M's or TT RS's do you see?
You don't even see many 350z's on UK roads.
There are lots of reasons:
-Badge, as stupid as it is, it likely plays a part
-Running costs, with pricey fuel and road tax, those that could afford a new one, could also afford a used Porsche or M3. Which kind of makes you have to really want the 370z for the same outlay
-2 seat only, which hugely limits appeal compared to 2+2 coupes or 4 door cars like an Evo
Also, as a side question, did Nissan actually allocate or bring many into the UK? You might not see many, but in terms of expected sales they might have sold brilliantly well.
e.g. I was a couple of year ago interested in a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. Jeep UK are pretty f
king useless though...... and had released to the media we expect Rubicon sales to be the lowest of the new line up.No s
t, and do you know why they were the lowest - because Jeep UK had a grand total of 19 Rubicons. All of which pre-sold the best part of 6+ months before launch.Edited by 300bhp/ton on Monday 3rd October 14:40
And to directly answer the question, I've seen the same number of TT RS's as I have 370s, plenty more Z4Ms and 135is though.
jon- said:
Agree with all your points other than the first line of comparisons. You can get a fully loaded 370z for around £30 if you shop about, the last TT RS I saw was £45k!
And to directly answer the question, I've seen the same number of TT RS's as I have 370s, plenty more Z4Ms and 135is though.
If there's £144,970 difference in price, I know where my £30 would be going.And to directly answer the question, I've seen the same number of TT RS's as I have 370s, plenty more Z4Ms and 135is though.
daemon said:
Other manufacturers are getting similar power with 2.0 litre turbo'd cars
When this was still in development, there were rumours that Nissan were developing a new 200sx (ie something with a 2.0 turbo). Shame it came to nothing really as it would have been more popular imo, especially if you could tune it and go drifting.jon- said:
Agree with all your points other than the first line of comparisons. You can get a fully loaded 370z for around £30 if you shop about, the last TT RS I saw was £45k!
And to directly answer the question, I've seen the same number of TT RS's as I have 370s, plenty more Z4Ms and 135is though.
I was just trying to think of sporty coupes. Bar the R35, the 370z is Nissan's top line model. I know some of the ones I cited are more money, but I think that goes to highlight that the market and Nissan's intent isn't the UK.And to directly answer the question, I've seen the same number of TT RS's as I have 370s, plenty more Z4Ms and 135is though.
The 370z is designed to compete against the Camaro/Mustang and offer a Corvette like experience at pony car prices. There's also a following of Jap metal in the US. Then of course the JDM is quite different to the UK.
I see very few 135i's personally. Quite a lot of coupes, but most are 120d's.
I think the engine killed them really, why have the heavy fuel & road fund costs when you could have a 4 pot turbo with the same (or better) performance and cheaper costs, probably be a bit lighter too.
The jap manufacturers did it with the previous coupes (200SX, Celica GT4s etc, the Skyline/Supra had a bigger engine but followed the same vein so its kind of odd they dumped all that for a big V6.
As others have said its a car for the US really.
The jap manufacturers did it with the previous coupes (200SX, Celica GT4s etc, the Skyline/Supra had a bigger engine but followed the same vein so its kind of odd they dumped all that for a big V6.
As others have said its a car for the US really.
Crafty_ said:
I think the engine killed them really, why have the heavy fuel & road fund costs when you could have a 4 pot turbo with the same (or better) performance and cheaper costs, probably be a bit lighter too.
But would they? Impreza's and Evo's don't actually make any more power as a rule, often less. And certainly drive different. They are also piss poor on fuel and emissions too unless I'm much mistaken. They are also the wrong engine to be selling a pony car alternative with in the US market.Crafty_ said:
The jap manufacturers did it with the previous coupes (200SX, Celica GT4s etc, the Skyline/Supra had a bigger engine but followed the same vein so its kind of odd they dumped all that for a big V6.
Umm Skyline and Supra where straight sixes, the others you list are not the same car. I think you need to look at the 350z, 300ZX Z32, 300ZX Z31, 280z, 260z, 240zI think the sort of enthusiast who buys a large engined sports car from a Japanese manufacture doesn’t place any value in having the latest model/reg plate and given the financial state of the country they are probably still happy in their 350zs or similar.
Those with plenty of money would prefer a BMW or Porsche badge, I bet due to not many getting sold the values as they get older will level off to a higher level than the competition (ie 350z prices much stronger than rx8 prices as these sold far better when new).
Soon a second hand GTR will also be a more appealing option than a brand new 370 for similar money.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff