RE: Detroit show: the NSX is back

[theJT]

I think that's the best looking new car I've seen since the 8C. I absolutely love it!

[kambites]

jon- said:

I will be very surprised if this doesn't end up like all Hondas.

"Great chassis, great build quality, needs more power".

What other Hondas have ended up like that, except debatably for the original NSX? If anything, I'd say that recently Honda have tended to produce great engines that have been let down by their chassis.

[Agoogy]

monkey11477 said:

Video albeit in GT5 form here http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d6188.html

great little vid that.

[Dakkon]

PHMatt said:

V6 Hybrid.
If it's more than £70k I think they may be pushing their luck.

When you get to £100k for super cars I'd personally be looking over at Italy and a baby Lamborghini. One that when you hit the throttle it makes a noise that releases the caveman hormones.

Not a whiney Honda engine and a big remote control car engine.

Visially it looks a whole lot more interesting than the old one did though.

I 100% agree, the pricing of this car is critical, if it is up at LFA prices then it is really not worth it and it will have to be really special if it is over 100k to tempt people away from anything Italian.

If it is 911 / R8 money then they may do well with it.

[The Wookie]

Big ambitions with fairly plain styling and less power than the competition... can't help but think they're about to make the same mistake they did with the last NSX.

Perhaps they think their quasi-luxury brand will be enough to make the difference, but personally I doubt it

[XJ40]

As modern designs go I think that works quite well. I like the creases, gives it a bit of drama. It does look over embellished and fussy but what doesn't these days.

[SmartVenom]

I seem to be in a minority, but don't really like it. Loved the old one and would love to see this succeed to production, but personally I want a supercar to look a little more 'super'.

[Dave Hedgehog]

looks amazing

unsure over this hybrid business thou

and at what cost, the old car was not cheap and this looks far more complicated

I personally felt the original cars control where too civic like to drive

[joe_90]

Yay.

put you hands up....

[jon-]

kambites said:

jon- said:

I will be very surprised if this doesn't end up like all Hondas.

"Great chassis, great build quality, needs more power".

What other Hondas have ended up like that, except debatably for the original NSX? If anything, I'd say that recently Honda have tended to produce great engines that have been let down by their chassis.

Commenting purely on the 'hot' Hondas, the Civic Tyre R is woefully under powered for it's class, with rumours of the new shape type R using the same engine again, and, well, that's the only 'hot' Honda.

Honda without a doubt make the best 2 litre NA in the world, but circa 400bhp for this when the potential rivals are moving over 500bhp is a worry.

At least it will return ace MPG

[kambites]

Well they're clearly sticking quite close to the ethos of the original. I wonder if they're expecting greater sales volumes this time around or are aiming for a similar market share to the old NSX.

[rtz62]

Not nearly as demonstrative and unique looking as the original; in fact, are there many 'supercars' that look as good, as pure, and so 'right' as the original?

I actually think that he original could be sold, today (emissions etc not withstanding) and hold its head high. If TVR can regenerate ol models and charge £100k from the, isnt there a niche for Honda to re-do the original NSX and charge, ooh, £75k for them?

[kambites]

jon- said:

Commenting purely on the 'hot' Hondas, the Civic Tyre R is woefully under powered for it's class, with rumours of the new shape type R using the same engine again, and, well, that's the only 'hot' Honda.

Hmm, I think the last two generations of Civic Type-R have had fantastic engines let down (especially in the latest one) by decidedly poor chassis setups. Same with the S2000.

I know this is a very non-PH thing to say, but I just don't see the appeal of the increasing levels of power in modern supercars for road use, which is all that 95% of them will ever see. The worry to me, is that the hybrid gubbins will make it heavy.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 10th January 11:10

[jon-]

kambites said:

jon- said:

Commenting purely on the 'hot' Hondas, the Civic Tyre R is woefully under powered for it's class, with rumours of the new shape type R using the same engine again, and, well, that's the only 'hot' Honda.

Hmm, I think the last two generations of Civic Type-R have had fantastic engines let down (especially in the latest one) by decidedly poor chassis setups. Same with the S2000.

In the case of the Civic Type R, it's rivals are now close to 300bhp! I owned one, loved it (06 EP3) and at the time it felt right, things have moved on but the engine hasn't.

I also own an S2000 and as much as I love the engine (who can't love a 2 litre engine which revs to 9,000rpm) it feels like it needs more shove to make it 'fun' (all IMO).

[BuzzLightyear]

kambites said:

jon- said:

I will be very surprised if this doesn't end up like all Hondas.

"Great chassis, great build quality, needs more power".

What other Hondas have ended up like that, except debatably for the original NSX? If anything, I'd say that recently Honda have tended to produce great engines that have been let down by their chassis.

I think the issue with Honda's (petrol) engines is more a lack of torque rather than power: I like the "rev-ability" when the mood and conditions are right but more often, you need a wad of torque to give some acceleration without having to drop down a couple of gears to find a peaky torque band.

Can't be good for mpg and emissions, either! [/sensible hat]

[Johnboy Mac]

Oh, delighted to hear Honda are producing this car. In all honesty if I had the dosh to spare, out of all the Sports/Supercars I reckon I'd have no regrets in getting the NSX. Anyway, I think this car should be also purchased simply because it's a Honda and not a Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo etc. Well done Honda.

[Mr Gear]

BuzzLightyear said:

I think the issue with Honda's (petrol) engines is more a lack of torque rather than power: I like the "rev-ability" when the mood and conditions are right but more often, you need a wad of torque to give some acceleration without having to drop down a couple of gears to find a peaky torque band.

Can't be good for mpg and emissions, either! [/sensible hat]

Thank God for hybrid eh?

[kambites]

jon- said:

In the case of the Civic Type R, it's rivals are now close to 300bhp! I owned one, loved it (06 EP3) and at the time it felt right, things have moved on but the engine hasn't.

I also own an S2000 and as much as I love the engine (who can't love a 2 litre engine which revs to 9,000rpm) it feels like it needs more shove to make it 'fun' (all IMO).

I know its rivals have close to 300bhp, I just don't think it matters in the slightest. Engines have moved, but I think they've moved backwards not forwards. I'd take the K20 over any of the lumps in the competition.

I've never felt that the S2000 would really benefit from more power either. It just needs a better resolved chassis.

Guess it depends on what you value in a car, but I think modern performance cars in just about every sector have gone far too far down the power (and grip) route at the expense of just about everything else.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 10th January 11:18

[g4ry13]

Looks like an R8 but just with a bit of a concept look to it.

[Monty Python]

Being a Honda it's unlikely to catch fire...