Look what the yanks get

[fourpointsixgt]

Have you seen what engines the Econoline gets ? 4.6, 5.4 or a 6.8 V10, all petrol. Proper hotrod van or what.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/eseries/

[Jayfish]

5lab said:

jbi said:

hairykrishna said:

frosted said:

jbi said:

The engine get's 22 mpg combined in the F150 (heavier platform)

A diesel transit gets that

Wrong figure. 18 mpg combined according to the link. Given how much of work of fiction official mpg tests are 10mpg in real world wouldn't surprise me.

I converted it from US gallons into UK gallons.

18mpg US
22mpg UK

Yes, as with all turbo engines, the test cycle will be optimistic.

If you spend all day driving around in an empty van, if you do this you may as well have a car.
Add 1 1/2 tonne of stock into it and 22MPG is just a fairy tale.

The american test is far more realistic than the eu test though - typically 20% lower figures, so 22mpg is probably a realistic 'day to day' figure, which, for a 350bhp van, really isn't bad

[fourpointsixgt]

mackie1 said:

They finally get decent police cars too:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/30/2012-chevrolet-...

Most police depts are mourning the loss of the old ford Crown Vic, bullit proof mechanics, easy and cheap to fix when the bodywork's damaged and a good high speed cruiser. As are the New York cabbies.

[jbi]

fourpointsixgt said:

mackie1 said:

They finally get decent police cars too:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/30/2012-chevrolet-...

Most police depts are mourning the loss of the old ford Crown Vic, bullit proof mechanics, easy and cheap to fix when the bodywork's damaged and a good high speed cruiser. As are the New York cabbies.

yup... it's basically a pick-up truck with a car body

You can't beat body on frame construction for long term durability... just look at the London taxicabs

[FisiP1]

Echoing the US test being more reliable, it ends up not far off at all from quoted in most cases.

I like how the current one is available with a 6.8l V10... very politically correct

[jbi]

FisiP1 said:

Echoing the US test being more reliable, it ends up not far off at all from quoted in most cases.

I like how the current one is available with a 6.8l V10... very politically correct

A 3.5 litre turbo V6 IS politically correct in the USA

[0a]

fourpointsixgt said:

Have you seen what engines the Econoline gets ? 4.6, 5.4 or a 6.8 V10, all petrol. Proper hotrod van or what.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/eseries/

"6.8-liter V10 with 305 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque"

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/econoline-cargo/

[pilchardthecat]

jbi said:

frosted said:

Why would anyone need a 10mpg van ?

The engine get's 22 mpg combined in the F150 (heavier platform)

And it's advertised on the TV because of it's "best in class" fuel economy

[jbi]

how many European trucks produce 360hp and get that kind of fuel economy?

[Morningside]

0a said:

fourpointsixgt said:

Have you seen what engines the Econoline gets ? 4.6, 5.4 or a 6.8 V10, all petrol. Proper hotrod van or what.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/eseries/

"6.8-liter V10 with 305 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque"

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/econoline-cargo/

Nice to see they are taking all this green bullst seriously.

[dtmpower]

Morningside said:

Nice to see they are taking all this green bullst seriously.

What engine would you put in ? Considering the size and load capacity and distances required for a US domestic van to cover.

[ItsaTVR]

jbi said:

I converted it from US gallons into UK gallons.

18mpg US
22mpg UK

Yes, as with all turbo engines, the test cycle will be optimistic.

What about converting US miles into UK miles...

Given the way most vans are driven in service, it's best to calculate mileage based on the max. flow-rate of the injectors...

[Ray Luxury-Yacht]

Powertrain looks good but the van itself looks a bit bland in that picture

[fourpointsixgt]

dtmpower said:

Morningside said:

Nice to see they are taking all this green bullst seriously.

What engine would you put in ? Considering the size and load capacity and distances required for a US domestic van to cover.

They don't like diesel, so it's got to be a petrol,it needs to shift a lot of weight so it's got to be a huge V8, a turbo'd V6 isn't right for a van.

[Willy Nilly]

jbi said:

how many European trucks produce 360hp and get that kind of fuel economy?

What I read on a US web site is that those pickups will get the advertised economy if they are driven very carefully. But put them to work and you still have a 360hp engine, which, like it or not, will use 60 litres/hr.

[jbi]

fourpointsixgt said:

dtmpower said:

Morningside said:

Nice to see they are taking all this green bullst seriously.

What engine would you put in ? Considering the size and load capacity and distances required for a US domestic van to cover.

They don't like diesel, so it's got to be a petrol,it needs to shift a lot of weight so it's got to be a huge V8, a turbo'd V6 isn't right for a van.

Any ideas on how the turbo V6 compares to a DOHC V8 in terms of physical size? I doubt the transit has much room to play with under that short nose.

[Eighteeteewhy]

I've shown it to my transport manager, he doesn't seem keen.

[m44kts]

Stupid question, why do they need a twin turbo V6? Everywhere else manages with diesels in vans that will do more than twice the mpg that V6 will be averaging with no real complaints.

If they're so desperate for a decent high-ish output engine, they should have gave them the option of the 5cyl 200bhp diesel you can get over here and make do with the other diesel engine line up. Why the need for a big engine with such a high output.

I just don't get Americas logic when it comes to commercial vehicles, I'm not saying I would refuse one if it was offered to me though.

[jbi]

Americas best selling car comes with a 350+ horsepower v8 as standard.

Americans are used to big power and dont like "underpowered" vehicles as a rule

[dtmpower]

m44kts said:

...I just don't get Americas logic when it comes to commercial vehicles...

The fact you have written this is exactly why you don't understand the reasoning. It's logical to them to have a big lazy engine with go from low revs , historically this would be either one of the V8s depending on the scenario. Now public opinion is changing slightly, there has been a nod to slightly smaller engines like this V6.

Seems obvious to me.