Rapid estate cars v diesel estate
Discussion
Contigo said:
My forte is fast wagen/avant/touring/estates.
I'd also look at an older Audi S4 (B5) with the 2.7 V6 Bi-turbo engine as it's a damn fine car and they can be had a good prices now. Also look at the newer V8 powered S4 (B6) as that's a great motor too.
Both nice cars and relatively fast, I considered them but both were capable of giving the wallet a serious kicking.I'd also look at an older Audi S4 (B5) with the 2.7 V6 Bi-turbo engine as it's a damn fine car and they can be had a good prices now. Also look at the newer V8 powered S4 (B6) as that's a great motor too.
Surly fast estates mean
S6 v10
S4 3.2 turbo
RS6
RS4
550i
M5
335i
E55 AMG
C32 AMG
E65 AMG
Ferrari FXX
Anything outside of this list isn't quick these are fecking flying machines properly "oh my god" when you open the loud pedal cars.
Don't touch the 95 Aero.... It's an old mans car dawdy looks looks very dated and frankly isn't fast.
Outback..... Come off it show me the power
S6 v10
S4 3.2 turbo
RS6
RS4
550i
M5
335i
E55 AMG
C32 AMG
E65 AMG
Ferrari FXX
Anything outside of this list isn't quick these are fecking flying machines properly "oh my god" when you open the loud pedal cars.
Don't touch the 95 Aero.... It's an old mans car dawdy looks looks very dated and frankly isn't fast.
Outback..... Come off it show me the power
Bonefish Blues said:
Dowdy, check.
Dated, maybe.
Not fast, b
ks - mid range is seriously quick.
That is all.
It really isn't. Put the Aero up against any in the list I stated and It would be like a cock measuring competition your a ginger White chap with a small todger while the other are black men whose knobs can hang and create a dog poo a like in a pint glass. .... Dated, maybe.
Not fast, b
ks - mid range is seriously quick.That is all.
Seriously it isn't quick I know the weight of the vehicle I know the outputs of the engine so unless the weight is over stated and the outputs drastically understated then it's not quick.
Welshbeef said:
Surly fast estates mean
S6 v10
S4 3.2 turbo
RS6
RS4
550i
M5
335i
E55 AMG
C32 AMG
E65 AMG
Ferrari FXX
Anything outside of this list isn't quick these are fecking flying machines properly "oh my god" when you open the loud pedal cars.
Don't touch the 95 Aero.... It's an old mans car dawdy looks looks very dated and frankly isn't fast.
Outback..... Come off it show me the power
And with the OP's budget of 5k, which one can be had from that grand list? S6 v10
S4 3.2 turbo
RS6
RS4
550i
M5
335i
E55 AMG
C32 AMG
E65 AMG
Ferrari FXX
Anything outside of this list isn't quick these are fecking flying machines properly "oh my god" when you open the loud pedal cars.
Don't touch the 95 Aero.... It's an old mans car dawdy looks looks very dated and frankly isn't fast.
Outback..... Come off it show me the power
Welshbeef said:
Surly fast estates mean
S6 v10
S4 3.2 turbo
RS6
RS4
550i
M5
335i
E55 AMG
C32 AMG
E65 AMG
Ferrari FXX
Anything outside of this list isn't quick these are fecking flying machines properly "oh my god" when you open the loud pedal cars.
Don't touch the 95 Aero.... It's an old mans car dawdy looks looks very dated and frankly isn't fast.
Outback..... Come off it show me the power
Yep to me it is the above BUT the 5K budget and MPG factor will limit them somewhat.S6 v10
S4 3.2 turbo
RS6
RS4
550i
M5
335i
E55 AMG
C32 AMG
E65 AMG
Ferrari FXX
Anything outside of this list isn't quick these are fecking flying machines properly "oh my god" when you open the loud pedal cars.
Don't touch the 95 Aero.... It's an old mans car dawdy looks looks very dated and frankly isn't fast.
Outback..... Come off it show me the power
I reckon Audi S4 breathed on (most are) will be the best bet to get a Rapid estate.
Welshbeef said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Dowdy, check.
Dated, maybe.
Not fast, bks - mid range is seriously quick.
That is all.
It really isn't. Put the Aero up against any in the list I stated and It would be like a cock measuring competition your a ginger White chap with a small todger while the other are black men whose knobs can hang and create a dog poo a like in a pint glass. .... Dated, maybe.
Not fast, b
ks - mid range is seriously quick.That is all.
Seriously it isn't quick I know the weight of the vehicle I know the outputs of the engine so unless the weight is over stated and the outputs drastically understated then it's not quick.
I suspect a breathed on B5 S4 will be starting to generate some pretty hefty repair bills. The ones in this sort of price range will be quite high mileage, and none of them are exactly spring chickens now. Whatever you do though, don't get the Vectra. The BHP numbers don't tell you what a pile of poo it is in comparison to the Mondeo's chassis setup. How about compromising and going for an Audi V6 diesel?
One issue with estates of course is, how big do you need it to be? I've got a V70 T5 and one of the reasons I bought it was the space. An Audi S4 or Impreza isn't big at all.
In my mind, buy the biggest load area you can - face it, driving an estate is hardly a style statement - so what's the point of buying a tiddler that won't swallow an Ikea kitchen or two seater sofa?
By the way, my vote is the T5 - mine's got 170,000 miles up and still very strong. Recommended.
In my mind, buy the biggest load area you can - face it, driving an estate is hardly a style statement - so what's the point of buying a tiddler that won't swallow an Ikea kitchen or two seater sofa?
By the way, my vote is the T5 - mine's got 170,000 miles up and still very strong. Recommended.
Welshbeef said:
Bonefish Blues said:
You are incorrect. The car is heavily biased towards the 30-80ish range and is genuinely fast in this mode, hence my comments.
Can you quote the official time through the gears for this increment it's biased for Most are autos, as is mine. Very comparable to my old 996 or RB320 in this range.
Bonefish Blues said:
Dowdy, check.
Dated, maybe.
Not fast, bks - mid range is seriously quick.
That is all.
95 aero estateDated, maybe.
Not fast, b
ks - mid range is seriously quick.That is all.
Weight 1740kg
Power 250bhp
Torque 350Nm
Bhp/tonne 144
And it is geared to a top speed of 152mph.
This is clearly not a fast car nippy I'll give you that but it is not a fast car.
Let's take the E55 AMg
Weight 1885kg
Power 469
Torque 700Nm
Bhp/tonne 250.
So nearly 75% more power to weight if you think the Aero is fast well in the grand scheme it's mediocre.
Also the Aeros bhp/tonne is only 5 more than this weeks shed of the week yes the Leon Cupra 180bhp. The Cupra which I own isn't quick and it is designed for more low end than high end screamer.
Hence I stand by my statement the Aero isn't quick at all.
I think the OP nailed down the class of cars he's looking at in his original post, and the 9-5 fits in perfectly well with that company.
66comanche said:
, budget up to £5k.
Quick petrol variants I've looked at:
Alfa 156 GTA 3.2
Ford Mondeo 2.5T
Subaru Impreza WRX
Vauxhall Vectra 2.8T VXR
VW Passat 2.8 V6 4motion
Volvo V70 T5 2.3
He's looking at 5k estates with a bit of poke, not 500bhp German autobahn crushers or nearly new Ferraris, FFS. Quick petrol variants I've looked at:
Alfa 156 GTA 3.2
Ford Mondeo 2.5T
Subaru Impreza WRX
Vauxhall Vectra 2.8T VXR
VW Passat 2.8 V6 4motion
Volvo V70 T5 2.3
dave stew said:
One issue with estates of course is, how big do you need it to be? I've got a V70 T5 and one of the reasons I bought it was the space. An Audi S4 or Impreza isn't big at all.
In my mind, buy the biggest load area you can - face it, driving an estate is hardly a style statement - so what's the point of buying a tiddler that won't swallow an Ikea kitchen or two seater sofa?
By the way, my vote is the T5 - mine's got 170,000 miles up and still very strong. Recommended.
Good point, basically it has to be able to swallow 2 labradors - no load lugging as such. Rules out the 3 series and to be fair the Impreza may not be any better, but I love them.In my mind, buy the biggest load area you can - face it, driving an estate is hardly a style statement - so what's the point of buying a tiddler that won't swallow an Ikea kitchen or two seater sofa?
By the way, my vote is the T5 - mine's got 170,000 miles up and still very strong. Recommended.
Love some of the suggestions, out of my price range though they may be (Welshbeef is pissed as normal I assume!)
Have looked at the Legacy 3.0R but the consumption is truly horrendous! 30mpg I can maybe deal with but a realistic 20mpg, no ta.
Bonefish Blues said:
Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYi1YOiMjLc
Most are autos, as is mine. Very comparable to my old 996 or RB320 in this range.
That's not quick. Most are autos, as is mine. Very comparable to my old 996 or RB320 in this range.
He is in 2nd gear at 30mph floors it and changes into 3rd to make 70mph.
It really isn't quick nippy I'll give you that only.
Put it this way my fiat coupe 20v turbo would destroy that and not require a gear change so it's not designed for the lower speed increment as it would jaw a shorter ratio to enhance acceleration.
Bonefish Blues said:
Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYi1YOiMjLc
Most are autos, as is mine. Very comparable to my old 996 or RB320 in this range.
Looking at that video it shows 15/16 seconds he goes and 22+ he stops so a 7-8 second increment based upon speedo readings. Most are autos, as is mine. Very comparable to my old 996 or RB320 in this range.
I've just opened up this weeks autocar for the road test results and looking at the 30-70 mph. Going down the list the first car I encounter which is an estate is the 520d SE touring which does it in 8.3 seconds.
Also out of the three alfa Mitos with test data only the 1.9 diesel is slower with 9seconds the 1.4 petrol does it in 6.5 seconds.
Hence it's not quick.
A McLaren does it in 2.3 seconds
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