RE: Paris 2012: Chris Harris's report
Discussion
The Veyron is a strange beast, isn't it. Out only 7 years, when released was a massive technical tour de force, it was the fastest, most powerful, most expensive, and all anybody talked about for a year. Now it seems a bit old hat - nobody wants to touch them with a barge pole second hand, and a new version barely even merits one line in a show report.
Personally I think it's their own fault for putting out TWENTY FOUR different special editions derived from three types of standard car (Basic, Gran Sport & Super Sport), for a total of 27 variants.
Can you keep calling it a "Limited Edition" if you sell more limited editions than standard cars?
Personally I think it's their own fault for putting out TWENTY FOUR different special editions derived from three types of standard car (Basic, Gran Sport & Super Sport), for a total of 27 variants.
Can you keep calling it a "Limited Edition" if you sell more limited editions than standard cars?
OwenK said:
The Veyron is a strange beast, isn't it. Out only 7 years, when released was a massive technical tour de force, it was the fastest, most powerful, most expensive, and all anybody talked about for a year. Now it seems a bit old hat - nobody wants to touch them with a barge pole second hand, and a new version barely even merits one line in a show report.
Personally I think it's their own fault for putting out TWENTY FOUR different special editions derived from three types of standard car (Basic, Gran Sport & Super Sport), for a total of 27 variants.
Can you keep calling it a "Limited Edition" if you sell more limited editions than standard cars?
the vayron is a funny old thing the most amazing thing about which is often over looked, not only did they make it capable of 260mph+ they made it easy to drive which is not the easiest thing to do, Tiff tried to get one to miss behave with all the driver aids on but it performed pretty much as any normal road car wouldPersonally I think it's their own fault for putting out TWENTY FOUR different special editions derived from three types of standard car (Basic, Gran Sport & Super Sport), for a total of 27 variants.
Can you keep calling it a "Limited Edition" if you sell more limited editions than standard cars?
it has a very unique shape but its not what you would call pretty or sexy but i suspect there are 3 reasons why they don't do so well second hand, they keep making new special edition versions every 9 days, a £25,000 bill for a set of tyres is pretty shocking even for the hyper rich (and it can chew through a set in 2000 miles) but i think the biggest problem is it has made most people realise that such high top speeds are pretty pointless as there's only a couple of places on the planet you can do it and there privately owned
oh and zonda have taken the whole hypercar thing onto another level
stephen300o said:
"Weird to think that 12 hours later McLaren announced that Lewis Hamilton was leaving the team"
Not to picky but.. why's that? Just two things that happened, shrug.
Maybe I've OD'd on cars, starting to think we have enough cars already.
End of one chapter and start of another?Not to picky but.. why's that? Just two things that happened, shrug.
Maybe I've OD'd on cars, starting to think we have enough cars already.
Is this an upcoming cross-range Panamera facelift? If so that is a massive step forward.
rockymount said:
“Mercedes told us the SLS E-Cell was being re-named the Electric Drive and it would offer 740hp and 1000Nm, or 737lb ft in old money. They then wrapped it in the blue plastic which is used to protect metal trim on new cars.”
See what you mean Chris – perhaps one of their customers is Papa Smurf?
Highly possible, as he is just about to sell Leeds Utd to the Kuwaitis.See what you mean Chris – perhaps one of their customers is Papa Smurf?
Let us hope that the new RR sets a trend for having transparent rear windows, the blacked out drug dealer / paranoid celeb look is well past it's sell-by date. To me the new Jag just doesn't look coherent like the E-type did. The 'mouth' is more like something an upstart far-eastern car maker would use, and the various vents look rather random and gratuitous. Such a shame when you see what they have done with the big saloons recently.
When Porsche launched the Cayenne it was a butt-ugly thing - but one major facelift and a lot of fiddling later I think they actually look OK - less brutal than RRs and the like - I'd probably drive one were it the right colour and I needed it's abilities and all that.
The Panamera I thought was going to be a harder thing to fix - the proportions were worse than the Cayennes with fat rear arches a nasty profile and a clumsy front - but that pic suggests they're on the ball because it's not a bad looking thing - at least in that one picture?
There's something about German metal - when they first release a new car it generally looks worse than it's predecessor/competitors but after a while they make a sporty version and then a facelift and then some tins of paint which aren't NHS-spec leftovers and the bodykit gets tweaked and the next thing you know, they cars look great. This has been true of every 3 Series ever launched - and most other major German brands - it's just it takes Porsche a bit longer, perhaps
The Panamera I thought was going to be a harder thing to fix - the proportions were worse than the Cayennes with fat rear arches a nasty profile and a clumsy front - but that pic suggests they're on the ball because it's not a bad looking thing - at least in that one picture?
There's something about German metal - when they first release a new car it generally looks worse than it's predecessor/competitors but after a while they make a sporty version and then a facelift and then some tins of paint which aren't NHS-spec leftovers and the bodykit gets tweaked and the next thing you know, they cars look great. This has been true of every 3 Series ever launched - and most other major German brands - it's just it takes Porsche a bit longer, perhaps
405dogvan said:
When Porsche launched the Cayenne it was a butt-ugly thing - but one major facelift and a lot of fiddling later I think they actually look OK - less brutal than RRs and the like - I'd probably drive one were it the right colour and I needed it's abilities and all that.
The Panamera I thought was going to be a harder thing to fix - the proportions were worse than the Cayennes with fat rear arches a nasty profile and a clumsy front - but that pic suggests they're on the ball because it's not a bad looking thing - at least in that one picture?
There's something about German metal - when they first release a new car it generally looks worse than it's predecessor/competitors but after a while they make a sporty version and then a facelift and then some tins of paint which aren't NHS-spec leftovers and the bodykit gets tweaked and the next thing you know, they cars look great. This has been true of every 3 Series ever launched - and most other major German brands - it's just it takes Porsche a bit longer, perhaps
Because they have a blind obsessed following and find it internally amusing how they can produce the ugliest cr*p and still people buy them. Out of pitty, over time, they reward customers with cars that are mildly less repugnant. Panamera case and point The Panamera I thought was going to be a harder thing to fix - the proportions were worse than the Cayennes with fat rear arches a nasty profile and a clumsy front - but that pic suggests they're on the ball because it's not a bad looking thing - at least in that one picture?
There's something about German metal - when they first release a new car it generally looks worse than it's predecessor/competitors but after a while they make a sporty version and then a facelift and then some tins of paint which aren't NHS-spec leftovers and the bodykit gets tweaked and the next thing you know, they cars look great. This has been true of every 3 Series ever launched - and most other major German brands - it's just it takes Porsche a bit longer, perhaps
JS100 said:
405dogvan said:
When Porsche launched the Cayenne it was a butt-ugly thing - but one major facelift and a lot of fiddling later I think they actually look OK - less brutal than RRs and the like - I'd probably drive one were it the right colour and I needed it's abilities and all that.
The Panamera I thought was going to be a harder thing to fix - the proportions were worse than the Cayennes with fat rear arches a nasty profile and a clumsy front - but that pic suggests they're on the ball because it's not a bad looking thing - at least in that one picture?
There's something about German metal - when they first release a new car it generally looks worse than it's predecessor/competitors but after a while they make a sporty version and then a facelift and then some tins of paint which aren't NHS-spec leftovers and the bodykit gets tweaked and the next thing you know, they cars look great. This has been true of every 3 Series ever launched - and most other major German brands - it's just it takes Porsche a bit longer, perhaps
Because they have a blind obsessed following and find it internally amusing how they can produce the ugliest cr*p and still people buy them. Out of pitty, over time, they reward customers with cars that are mildly less repugnant. Panamera case and point The Panamera I thought was going to be a harder thing to fix - the proportions were worse than the Cayennes with fat rear arches a nasty profile and a clumsy front - but that pic suggests they're on the ball because it's not a bad looking thing - at least in that one picture?
There's something about German metal - when they first release a new car it generally looks worse than it's predecessor/competitors but after a while they make a sporty version and then a facelift and then some tins of paint which aren't NHS-spec leftovers and the bodykit gets tweaked and the next thing you know, they cars look great. This has been true of every 3 Series ever launched - and most other major German brands - it's just it takes Porsche a bit longer, perhaps
So the styling guys at Porsche aren't sticking with the dog taking a dump of the 2009 prototype Panamera that was launched in the Shanghai Motorshow. Where they were photoshopping a 996 arse on to a 4 door (s-class) body length.
But now seem to be following a more trodden path for inspiration.
- grey plastic stuff in the LEDS in the headlamp cowls
- strip rear tail lights in an Avant body style.
But now seem to be following a more trodden path for inspiration.
- grey plastic stuff in the LEDS in the headlamp cowls
- strip rear tail lights in an Avant body style.
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