First Crash...Afterthoughts :(
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Op. ffs it is your fault. That is not a blind corner, you should have seen the 4x4 before you pulled out, you cannot have missed it. And she saw you. For you to not have even cleared the one lane she was in, means your car was not able to travel about 8 metres in the time she had to travel in excess of what looks like about 60m from that photo.
You misjudged it and I suspect she was pretty much on you as soon as you pulled out if you 'put your foot down' as you say. Which is why she would not have stopped in time.
If she was doing about 265mph, then maybe it adds up, but her not being in you view when you pulled out......chinny rec!!
Put it down to experience and learn from it. Had it been a much easier to miss motorbike ' hammering it' down there, you could have caused someone to die. Plenty of bikes out in this sun and they are far less visible, but demand the same amount of giving way to in this scenario.
You misjudged it and I suspect she was pretty much on you as soon as you pulled out if you 'put your foot down' as you say. Which is why she would not have stopped in time.
If she was doing about 265mph, then maybe it adds up, but her not being in you view when you pulled out......chinny rec!!
Put it down to experience and learn from it. Had it been a much easier to miss motorbike ' hammering it' down there, you could have caused someone to die. Plenty of bikes out in this sun and they are far less visible, but demand the same amount of giving way to in this scenario.
Dont dwell on it too much - it can happen to even the best drivers out there with years of experience.
on a lighter note maybe get a faster car - if you had a faster car you would have got away quicker so he wouldn't have hit you. Well thats what one of my friends always used to say: "if I had a faster car I could get out of situations better and not have accidents".
In his defence when he had a 116i he had four accidents in 3 years, when he got his C220 Sport he had none in 2 years lol
on a lighter note maybe get a faster car - if you had a faster car you would have got away quicker so he wouldn't have hit you. Well thats what one of my friends always used to say: "if I had a faster car I could get out of situations better and not have accidents".
In his defence when he had a 116i he had four accidents in 3 years, when he got his C220 Sport he had none in 2 years lol
Edited by IATM on Sunday 14th July 23:18
Mandat said:
Synchromesh said:
Taken from the Street View link, that is no way a blind bend in any sense of the word.Both drivers would have seen each other from a long distance away, therefore the OP's story doesn't seem to hold water.
cant help but think you were at fault on this one.
the corner isnt really blind, i know things look a bit different on street view than in real life, taking into acount the street view cam is a camera 3-4ft above the roof of the car, if youve ever seen the google cars. but even at standard eye level you should be able to see far enough around the corner even a vehicle breaking the speed limit by a fair margin, 60-70mph could catch someone out but i couldnt imagine that speed in that particular area and would be a fair accident if the 4x4 was doing that speed.
there seems enough of a view that you should of been able to move out even in time from looking both ways to looking back straight ahead and starting your maneuver and then a car coming into the view, even one doing 40mph.
take it on the chin and learn from it to use in the future,
the corner isnt really blind, i know things look a bit different on street view than in real life, taking into acount the street view cam is a camera 3-4ft above the roof of the car, if youve ever seen the google cars. but even at standard eye level you should be able to see far enough around the corner even a vehicle breaking the speed limit by a fair margin, 60-70mph could catch someone out but i couldnt imagine that speed in that particular area and would be a fair accident if the 4x4 was doing that speed.
there seems enough of a view that you should of been able to move out even in time from looking both ways to looking back straight ahead and starting your maneuver and then a car coming into the view, even one doing 40mph.
take it on the chin and learn from it to use in the future,
F1GTRUeno said:
P1H said:
Why on earth are you on pistonheads?
Because I like cars themselves clearly.Everyday driving is s
t.That said, I know what you mean though. Driving in Britain is becoming an increasingly horrible experience...
clockworks said:
Out in the countryside, drivers pull out onto NSL roads with far worse visibility. The trick is to use all your senses. For me, that means turning off the radio, lowering the windows, and listening for traffic.
And if the road is clear in each direction, not stopping at a give way line.Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Well then, as a UK citizen and taxpayer - 'I are disappoint...'
What a rather rubbish state of affairs...
Why on earth would the police be involved in this? They wouldn't be able to gather enough evidence for a criminal charge of any sort, and they're not there to help with minor civil matters. An RTA with no injuries involved may merit a quick investigation to verify both drivers are legal, but after that it's just going to take up time and money for no reason, with no gain to the public.What a rather rubbish state of affairs...
R7YN said:
Thanks for the replies folks, opinions appreciated.
To be honest don't beat yourself up things like this happen. Everyone on here will have pulled out without seeing a car or bike or person at some point I their driving career had a "that was close" moment and got away with it. I've done it a couple of times at a specific junction near my house. Pulled out infront of an oncoming car despite looking twice. It could be something to do with the layout of the road as my girlfriend and a couple of mates have done exactly the same. The link below makes interesting reading.
http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyc...
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Well then, as a UK citizen and taxpayer - 'I are disappoint...'
What a rather rubbish state of affairs...
Why yes, as a taxpayer, I'd love to see the police squander my tax dollars investigating counter allegations made by people who clearly weren't paying attention... What a rather rubbish state of affairs...
Most of us drove beyond our skill an experience when we were new drivers. Many of us got away with it. The main thing is you live and you learn.
It seems to me this accident was pretty much entirely the OP's fault but I'd say his main mistake was taking out an insurance policy with a £1,000 excess!
It seems to me this accident was pretty much entirely the OP's fault but I'd say his main mistake was taking out an insurance policy with a £1,000 excess!
Although you were at fault for pulling out, I'd have thought she should have easily been able to stop in time even if she'd been speeding - the view from her side is pretty good. Sounds like you were a bit unlucky really - sure, you made a mistake, but I think you were unlucky for it to result in that accident.
s3fella said:
Op. ffs it is your fault. That is not a blind corner, you should have seen the 4x4 before you pulled out, you cannot have missed it. And she saw you. For you to not have even cleared the one lane she was in, means your car was not able to travel about 8 metres in the time she had to travel in excess of what looks like about 60m from that photo.
You misjudged it and I suspect she was pretty much on you as soon as you pulled out if you 'put your foot down' as you say. Which is why she would not have stopped in time.
If she was doing about 265mph, then maybe it adds up, but her not being in you view when you pulled out......chinny rec!!
Put it down to experience and learn from it. Had it been a much easier to miss motorbike ' hammering it' down there, you could have caused someone to die. Plenty of bikes out in this sun and they are far less visible, but demand the same amount of giving way to in this scenario.
I agree. OP, for you to have that sort of sightline and not even be able to clear one lane suggests you are to blame so suck that one up and learn - no amount of 'I just didn't see them coming' is going to cut the mustard if you pull out on someone again.You misjudged it and I suspect she was pretty much on you as soon as you pulled out if you 'put your foot down' as you say. Which is why she would not have stopped in time.
If she was doing about 265mph, then maybe it adds up, but her not being in you view when you pulled out......chinny rec!!
Put it down to experience and learn from it. Had it been a much easier to miss motorbike ' hammering it' down there, you could have caused someone to die. Plenty of bikes out in this sun and they are far less visible, but demand the same amount of giving way to in this scenario.
One tip that might be worth trying; have the music turned down low and may even a window cracked open at junctions. It's easy to forget / underestimate how our peripheral hearing helps the brain work out our surroundings. If this sounds odd, try playing tennis with earphones/music on so that you can't hear the ball bounce - it's bloody difficult and demonstrates the point perfectly.
I know that road well and people do drive far too fast down there often, also that street view is not the best to represent the junction. Having said that I probably would'nt class it as a blind bend.
My first crash was much the same, as others have said learn and move on, the expeience may save you a worse out come in the future
My first crash was much the same, as others have said learn and move on, the expeience may save you a worse out come in the future
Sorry for what happened OP.
Things such this unfortunately happen, I remember an accident I witnessed which seems incredible.
I was at a stop behind another car waiting to pull into the main road which is an absolute straight for at least 500m left and right from said junction. The car in front let some cars pass, then there was a small gap between this first group and another group of incoming cars. The girl ahead of me simply pulled out and the accident was unavoidable.
Apart from her initial shock -fortunately no-one was hurt- she was repeating she didn't see them coming.
So I can perfectly understand that you're saying you didn't see the car, but I'm also pretty sure the car was in sight when you looked.
Hope you can get the car back on the road soon
Things such this unfortunately happen, I remember an accident I witnessed which seems incredible.
I was at a stop behind another car waiting to pull into the main road which is an absolute straight for at least 500m left and right from said junction. The car in front let some cars pass, then there was a small gap between this first group and another group of incoming cars. The girl ahead of me simply pulled out and the accident was unavoidable.
Apart from her initial shock -fortunately no-one was hurt- she was repeating she didn't see them coming.
So I can perfectly understand that you're saying you didn't see the car, but I'm also pretty sure the car was in sight when you looked.
Hope you can get the car back on the road soon
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