RE: Aston and AMG: it's official!
Discussion
collateral said:
Hrm.
I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
Very good point. But when you look at the Vanquish, DB9 and V12 Vantage S, they are all manual only right now, so methinks the next Vantage wouldn't have a manual option anyway. I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
JonRB said:
Although I can see the economic benefit to Aston Martin, I can't help feeling a little sad at the news. Part of the allure of an Aston is the fact that they have a long history of handbuilt in-house engines. An outsourced customer engine, even from someone as respected as AMG, just seems slightly less special. And, yes, I am well aware that Pagani uses AMG engines.
The current engines, although very much developed by Aston have their origins in Ford (the V12) and Jaguar (the V8) engines.I see no issue with this.
POLITE NOTE TO AML CHASSIS TEAM:
Up till now, you've managed to get away with a frankly slightly iffy rear suspension design/implementation, but now, well, lets just say you're gonna have to do a bit better, or those AMG horses are going to expose the chassis dynamics big time...........
;-)
But seriously, Great news! Lets finally have a group test where the AML attendee isn't last past the post!
Up till now, you've managed to get away with a frankly slightly iffy rear suspension design/implementation, but now, well, lets just say you're gonna have to do a bit better, or those AMG horses are going to expose the chassis dynamics big time...........
;-)
But seriously, Great news! Lets finally have a group test where the AML attendee isn't last past the post!
Zod said:
JonRB said:
Although I can see the economic benefit to Aston Martin, I can't help feeling a little sad at the news. Part of the allure of an Aston is the fact that they have a long history of handbuilt in-house engines. An outsourced customer engine, even from someone as respected as AMG, just seems slightly less special. And, yes, I am well aware that Pagani uses AMG engines.
The current engines, although very much developed by Aston have their origins in Ford (the V12) and Jaguar (the V8) engines.I see no issue with this.
Beefmeister said:
collateral said:
Hrm.
I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
Very good point. But when you look at the Vanquish, DB9 and V12 Vantage S, they are all manual only right now, so methinks the next Vantage wouldn't have a manual option anyway. I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
:J: said:
Beefmeister said:
collateral said:
Hrm.
I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
Very good point. But when you look at the Vanquish, DB9 and V12 Vantage S, they are all manual only right now, so methinks the next Vantage wouldn't have a manual option anyway. I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
Megaflow said:
Krikkit said:
JMC1 said:
...words.
Agree completely - I wouldn't like the idea of buying an Aston with a borrowed Mercedes engine, even though AMG make some of the best units out there at the moment.Or:
1) A Rolls Royce with a borrowed BMW engine?
2) A Mini with a borrowed Peugeot engine?
3) A Range Rover with a borrowed Ford engine?
4) A Pagani with a borrowed AMG Engine?
5) A Lamborghini with a borrowed Audi engine?
6) etc etc etc...
The V8 in the Vantage may be based on the Jaguar AJ-V8, but have since pretty much re-developed the whole thing. The V12 is the same thing - based on two Ford V6's many years ago, it was developed solely for Aston, and has been reworked completely since then.
Pagani couldn't have started if they made their own for the C12. Since then they've continually had AMG modify it to their spec, it's become their own.
The Lamborghini V10 was developed for them, just because it's subsequently been used elsewhere doesn't make it less special. It was built for the Gallardo.
The Rolls is a stickler for me - sharing the engine with a puny 7-series is a bit below what is supposed to be the ultimate in luxury cars.
Mini/Range doesn't make any difference to me - they're not sports cars and have never had their own engines, objectively speaking.
Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 25th July 12:39
Krikkit said:
It's not. I didn't say the above were exempt, I'd just rather see Aston develop its own engines.
Pagani couldn't have started if they made their own for the C12. Since then they've continually had AMG modify it to their spec, it's become their own.
The Lamborghini V10 was developed for them, just because it's subsequently been used elsewhere doesn't make it less special. It was built for the Gallardo.
The Rolls is a stickler for me - sharing the engine with a puny 7-series is a bit below what is supposed to be the ultimate in luxury cars.
Mini/Range doesn't make any difference to me - they're not sports cars and have never had their own engines, objectively speaking.
They simply cannot afford it. To develop an engine costs hundreds of millions of pounds, to recover that cost over the tiny number of units Aston Martin are going to sell is not viable.Pagani couldn't have started if they made their own for the C12. Since then they've continually had AMG modify it to their spec, it's become their own.
The Lamborghini V10 was developed for them, just because it's subsequently been used elsewhere doesn't make it less special. It was built for the Gallardo.
The Rolls is a stickler for me - sharing the engine with a puny 7-series is a bit below what is supposed to be the ultimate in luxury cars.
Mini/Range doesn't make any difference to me - they're not sports cars and have never had their own engines, objectively speaking.
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