RE: Aston and AMG: it's official!

RE: Aston and AMG: it's official!

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Beefmeister

16,482 posts

232 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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collateral said:
Hrm.

I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
Very good point. But when you look at the Vanquish, DB9 and V12 Vantage S, they are all manual only right now, so methinks the next Vantage wouldn't have a manual option anyway.

M Powered

349 posts

211 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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JonRB said:
...Aston Martin... have a long history of handbuilt in-Germanyhouse engines...
No change there then.

CrisW

522 posts

195 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Megaflow said:
5) A Lamborginihi with a borrowed Audi engine?
Which Lambo has an Audi engine then?

Zod

35,295 posts

260 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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JonRB said:
Although I can see the economic benefit to Aston Martin, I can't help feeling a little sad at the news. Part of the allure of an Aston is the fact that they have a long history of handbuilt in-house engines. An outsourced customer engine, even from someone as respected as AMG, just seems slightly less special. And, yes, I am well aware that Pagani uses AMG engines.
The current engines, although very much developed by Aston have their origins in Ford (the V12) and Jaguar (the V8) engines.

I see no issue with this.

sagarich

1,220 posts

151 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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This is awesome news!

We've come along way from 1945 :-)

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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POLITE NOTE TO AML CHASSIS TEAM:


Up till now, you've managed to get away with a frankly slightly iffy rear suspension design/implementation, but now, well, lets just say you're gonna have to do a bit better, or those AMG horses are going to expose the chassis dynamics big time...........


;-)


But seriously, Great news! Lets finally have a group test where the AML attendee isn't last past the post!

Megaflow

9,486 posts

227 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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CrisW said:
Which Lambo has an Audi engine then?
Gallardo.

dukebox9reg

1,574 posts

150 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Zod said:
JonRB said:
Although I can see the economic benefit to Aston Martin, I can't help feeling a little sad at the news. Part of the allure of an Aston is the fact that they have a long history of handbuilt in-house engines. An outsourced customer engine, even from someone as respected as AMG, just seems slightly less special. And, yes, I am well aware that Pagani uses AMG engines.
The current engines, although very much developed by Aston have their origins in Ford (the V12) and Jaguar (the V8) engines.

I see no issue with this.
Yep Aston V12, two Ford V6's glued together. AMG engines sound all that more appealing all of a sudden.

:J:

2,593 posts

227 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Beefmeister said:
collateral said:
Hrm.

I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
Very good point. But when you look at the Vanquish, DB9 and V12 Vantage S, they are all manual only right now, so methinks the next Vantage wouldn't have a manual option anyway.
Manual only for those cars? That's not right?

dukebox9reg

1,574 posts

150 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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:J: said:
Beefmeister said:
collateral said:
Hrm.

I was under the impression that you could still buy one with 3 pedals if you wanted to, so will this spell the end of the manual Aston Martin?
Very good point. But when you look at the Vanquish, DB9 and V12 Vantage S, they are all manual only right now, so methinks the next Vantage wouldn't have a manual option anyway.
Manual only for those cars? Methinks not wink
Vantage S is auto only i believe

Krikkit

26,615 posts

183 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Megaflow said:
Krikkit said:
JMC1 said:
...words.
Agree completely - I wouldn't like the idea of buying an Aston with a borrowed Mercedes engine, even though AMG make some of the best units out there at the moment.
Err, so how is it any different to an Aston with a borrowed Jaguar engine?

Or:
1) A Rolls Royce with a borrowed BMW engine?
2) A Mini with a borrowed Peugeot engine?
3) A Range Rover with a borrowed Ford engine?
4) A Pagani with a borrowed AMG Engine?
5) A Lamborghini with a borrowed Audi engine?
6) etc etc etc...
It's not. I didn't say the above were exempt, I'd just rather see Aston develop its own engines.

The V8 in the Vantage may be based on the Jaguar AJ-V8, but have since pretty much re-developed the whole thing. The V12 is the same thing - based on two Ford V6's many years ago, it was developed solely for Aston, and has been reworked completely since then.

Pagani couldn't have started if they made their own for the C12. Since then they've continually had AMG modify it to their spec, it's become their own.

The Lamborghini V10 was developed for them, just because it's subsequently been used elsewhere doesn't make it less special. It was built for the Gallardo.

The Rolls is a stickler for me - sharing the engine with a puny 7-series is a bit below what is supposed to be the ultimate in luxury cars.

Mini/Range doesn't make any difference to me - they're not sports cars and have never had their own engines, objectively speaking.

Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 25th July 12:39

jamieduff1981

8,030 posts

142 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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I've got no particular issue with this as AMG do make some cracking engines. The article focuses on V8s though. V8s are fine, but everyone and his dog has one and Aston Martin should not, IMHO, underestimate the prestige value of a V12. Luckily AMG make both layouts.

NomduJour

19,176 posts

261 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Turbocharged Aston Martins then.

redroadster

1,769 posts

234 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Clever move awsome engines married to gorgous bodies this should help sales and buyers confidance.

R66STU

273 posts

178 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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So i wonder if can we expect to see an Aston Martin 'Brabus'

edinph

386 posts

176 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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I know this makes so much sense, but a little bit of me is sad.

Ex Boy Racer

1,151 posts

194 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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I reckon AMG is just after the Cygnet technology. Keep that to yourselves Aton!!

David87

6,674 posts

214 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Fantastic news - this is just what Aston Martin need!

Megaflow

9,486 posts

227 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Krikkit said:
It's not. I didn't say the above were exempt, I'd just rather see Aston develop its own engines.

Pagani couldn't have started if they made their own for the C12. Since then they've continually had AMG modify it to their spec, it's become their own.

The Lamborghini V10 was developed for them, just because it's subsequently been used elsewhere doesn't make it less special. It was built for the Gallardo.

The Rolls is a stickler for me - sharing the engine with a puny 7-series is a bit below what is supposed to be the ultimate in luxury cars.

Mini/Range doesn't make any difference to me - they're not sports cars and have never had their own engines, objectively speaking.
They simply cannot afford it. To develop an engine costs hundreds of millions of pounds, to recover that cost over the tiny number of units Aston Martin are going to sell is not viable.

urban_alchemist

604 posts

208 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Not sure the engines are the problem. Does this deal include platforms and other running gear (electrics, gearboxes etc)? That is where Aston seems to be falling behind the curve. Never heard any complaints about any of their engines...