BMW & Mercedes - no longer a prestigious brand?

BMW & Mercedes - no longer a prestigious brand?

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ModernAndy

2,094 posts

137 months

Wednesday 29th January 2014
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I have taken note of the term 'arseperational' in the hope that I can use it in real life conversations in the near future.

jdw1234

6,021 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th January 2014
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I own a lateish model ML and spend a lot of time in EClasses for work meetings.

I think they are good cars, but don't think they are particularly premium. You can tell they are all made to a price (unlike a w124 for example). As mentioned, anyone on £30k can afford to lease a BMW, Merc or Audi. It's all just marketing and "aspirational" branding rather than quality these days.

On the plus side, the sheer volumes of leased cars mean they are very cheap at 3 years old.

Edited by jdw1234 on Wednesday 29th January 21:45

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

212 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I've never liked Mercedes styling and the massive failure in late 90's build quality had killed any underlying respect I had for Mercedes engineering quality. Couple that with Mercedes in yer face finance - 'Undred an nineey niyne phhaand a muumf - is plastered all over the cars on display at my local MB dealership and with the resulting dramatic increase of Mercedes on the road I don't regard them as prestigious at all. Depending on style of driving as well as if the registration is displayed in an legal or illegal format - more likely illegal in Essex I'm afraid - whenever I see a Mercedes I think airport taxi, Chinese takeaway owner or Romford market trader.

BMWs still seem special though and for me the ultimate driving machine image has benefited enormously from the rise in Mercedes popularity amongst the aspirational and status conscious. I suspect BMWs are now being bought again by people who appreciate nice cars and actually enjoy driving them rather than those who's primary concern in vehicle brand choice is status and a conspicuous display of how much cash or credit they have.



McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

206 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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k-ink said:
You can buy a Mercedes builders van, or a BMW scooter. So I think they sold out quite some time ago. It is all about halo products and marketing to keep the image appealing to those who find that sort of thing important.
Mercedes have always done commercial vechiles

BMW have always done bikes


Uncle John

4,329 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I recently bought my first BMW, having just moved house I was downgrading from an expensive to run SUV in the name of consolidation and sensible running costs.

I'd also sold my fun cars to fund the house move so wanted a car that was rapid enough whilst still being engaging.

Another part of the thought process was to get a car that was still smart and premium so as to not feel short changed, so a sideways step if you like.

The car I chose? A 120d with the ZF 8 speed. And I've snookered myself a little regarding getting another weekend fun car as it's actually rather good at pretty much every one of my requirements.

So in short, I believe that BMW and Mercedes do offer vehicles that are a cut above the competition and are therefore either asprational, prestige or both.



GTIR

24,741 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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valiant said:
Apart from the interiors they are just as likely to breakdown and suffer from niggly little annoying faults as a Ford or VW.
There's a reason they are used as taxis/mini cabs all over the world.
Show me a 460k mile Ford or VW on the same engine and box and I'll show you my old 07 E220. smile

Until you can afford to own/lease/hp one and compare the quality I'd suggest you zip it.

They did have issues late 90's early 00's but now they're back to the top.

jdw1234

6,021 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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GTIR said:
valiant said:
Apart from the interiors they are just as likely to breakdown and suffer from niggly little annoying faults as a Ford or VW.
There's a reason they are used as taxis/mini cabs all over the world.
Show me a 460k mile Ford or VW on the same engine and box and I'll show you my old 07 E220. smile

Until you can afford to own/lease/hp one and compare the quality I'd suggest you zip it.
Thats the point though.

They cost peanuts to lease so aren't prestige anymore.

http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/business/car...


Iklwa

283 posts

131 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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jdw1234 said:
Thats the point though.

They cost peanuts to lease so aren't prestige anymore.

http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/business/car...
On a personal lease you are looking at over £300/month, not sure what you earn but I doubt people on the average salary would consider £300 a month peanuts, especially when you can save £100 a month going for something less prestige like a Skoda or Ford.

For that reason they are comparatively prestige, because the less prestige brands are cheaper, simple as that. It just depends on your translation of peanuts.

jdw1234

6,021 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Iklwa said:
jdw1234 said:
Thats the point though.

They cost peanuts to lease so aren't prestige anymore.

http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/business/car...
On a personal lease you are looking at over £300/month, not sure what you earn but I doubt people on the average salary would consider £300 a month peanuts, especially when you can save £100 a month going for something less prestige like a Skoda or Ford.

For that reason they are comparatively prestige, because the less prestige brands are cheaper, simple as that. It just depends on your translation of peanuts.
Fairy muff. Can't argue with that.

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

212 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Iklwa said:
jdw1234 said:
Thats the point though.

They cost peanuts to lease so aren't prestige anymore.

http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/business/car...
On a personal lease you are looking at over £300/month, not sure what you earn but I doubt people on the average salary would consider £300 a month peanuts, especially when you can save £100 a month going for something less prestige like a Skoda or Ford.

For that reason they are comparatively prestige, because the less prestige brands are cheaper, simple as that. It just depends on your translation of peanuts.
Focus and Indian takeaway every Friday night or C Class and microwave pizza instead? Prestige indeed wink

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Mercedes and BMW still make some high end cars but their repmobiles are just that.

Stenn

2,315 posts

136 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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A quick drive along any motorway should confirm that BMW, Mercedes and probably even more so Audi are not prestigious brands, there's simply too many of them. It doesn't mean they don't make some fantastic cars though.

mike-r

1,539 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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valiant said:
Apart from the interiors they are just as likely to breakdown and suffer from niggly little annoying faults as a Ford or VW.
Disagree. My life has been spent going from BMWs to cheap little cars when I put my sensible hat on, and I have always gone back to a BMW because my Peugeots/Fords etc have always caused me a headache. Obviously this could be down to the cheap purchase price in the first instance, but I've never had reliability issues with BMW, just slightly more expensive purchase prices and lofty yoof insurance premiums.

dcb

5,846 posts

267 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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yonex said:
Mercedes and BMW still make some high end cars but their repmobiles are just that.
+1

They both manufacture a broad range of vehicles. The top end are very good cars
(let's say E300 and 525 and above).

Some of the lower end of the range (I'm thinking the likes of C180 and 316 and below here)
aren't much better than VW, GM or Ford.

Still, I'd rather have the cheapest suit M&S does than the most expensive one Asda does.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

267 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
k-ink said:
You can buy a Mercedes builders van, or a BMW scooter. So I think they sold out quite some time ago. It is all about halo products and marketing to keep the image appealing to those who find that sort of thing important.
Mercedes have always done commercial vechiles

BMW have always done bikes
I know a guy with Ferrari shoes. Hence Ferrari are less prestigeous than Dacia.

They were expensive shoes, but apparently when comparing apples and oranges it's doesn't matter whther they are good apple or oranges.


jimi

521 posts

265 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Prestige isn't about price, it's about image.

Mercedes have always been involved in Commercials, Trucks, Vans, Buses, Cars. Thats part of the prestige, the strength in depth, the long history (barring the DC years) and they trade successfully on that.

Look at Vauxhall - they invented the sports car, the 30-98 back in the 1920s, mixing it with Bentley etc. now they make pretty much every airport rental car and some vans - they aren't prestigious because they don't trade on that.


Lozw86

877 posts

134 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I don't think many 3 series owners (myself included) consider or even want them to be prestigious. I have one because it drives well

Who has even said they are prestigious? The brand is premium but not exclusive

If I wanted prestigious (and could afford it) I would be driving a Rolls Royce or a Bentley

mph1977

12,467 posts

170 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Captain Muppet said:
McWigglebum4th said:
k-ink said:
You can buy a Mercedes builders van, or a BMW scooter. So I think they sold out quite some time ago. It is all about halo products and marketing to keep the image appealing to those who find that sort of thing important.
Mercedes have always done commercial vechiles

BMW have always done bikes
I know a guy with Ferrari shoes. Hence Ferrari are less prestigeous than Dacia.

They were expensive shoes, but apparently when comparing apples and oranges it's doesn't matter whther they are good apple or oranges.
Lamborghini tractor anyone ?

k-ink

9,070 posts

181 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Captain Muppet said:
McWigglebum4th said:
k-ink said:
You can buy a Mercedes builders van, or a BMW scooter. So I think they sold out quite some time ago. It is all about halo products and marketing to keep the image appealing to those who find that sort of thing important.
Mercedes have always done commercial vechiles

BMW have always done bikes
I know a guy with Ferrari shoes. Hence Ferrari are less prestigeous than Dacia.

They were expensive shoes, but apparently when comparing apples and oranges it's doesn't matter whther they are good apple or oranges.
The relevant point is (for example) Audi do not make builders vehicles or mopeds.Therefore you could argue Audi has a more exclusive and premium brand, compared to the likes of BMW or Mercedes. Personally I couldn't give a rats ass about any of them.

Wild Rumpus

375 posts

176 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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yonex said:
Mercedes and BMW still make some high end cars but their repmobiles are just that.
Exactly this - the 320d/A4 2.oTdi/C220d etc fulfil exactly the same societal role as the Cortina 1.6L did in the 1970s.