Power to stop vehicles by remote control

Power to stop vehicles by remote control

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bonesX

Original Poster:

902 posts

182 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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The Government is totally corrupt at every level. They have all been bought & owned by corporations

Being able to stop cars by remote is a tiny thread of the web of a far bigger picture of control

Pints

18,444 posts

196 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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A few years ago I had to urgently get my wife to the hospital in the early houra of the morning. A police car spotted me doing high speeds and followed in pursuit, blues & twos going.
I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.

If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.

lyndhurst25

30 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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You used to be able to buy (possibly from Maplin bit I may be wrong) little gadgets that did a similar thing. Basically they were a little black box with the guts of a mobile phone in plus an electric relay. Stick in a PAYG SIM and you could turn on or off anything, anywhere. I was planning on wiring one to my car's fuel pump so if ever it got stollen or carjacked then I could remotely stop it. No more dangerous than running out of petrol. The gadgets seemed to disappear off the market after the Madrid bombings - there were possibilities for them to be used for nefarious purposes I suppose.

Blown2CV

29,073 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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lyndhurst25 said:
You used to be able to buy (possibly from Maplin bit I may be wrong) little gadgets that did a similar thing. Basically they were a little black box with the guts of a mobile phone in plus an electric relay. Stick in a PAYG SIM and you could turn on or off anything, anywhere. I was planning on wiring one to my car's fuel pump so if ever it got stollen or carjacked then I could remotely stop it. No more dangerous than running out of petrol. The gadgets seemed to disappear off the market after the Madrid bombings - there were possibilities for them to be used for nefarious purposes I suppose.
well yes rather, like turning on a bomb!

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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The GM "OnStar" system offers this service in the US currently.


Thing is, the better way to prevent police chases is to actually make the penalty for such activities severe enough to make the people who indulge in them think twice before doing it. Currently, we just slap their wrists and send 'em back out, and guess what, a few days/weeks/months later they are doing the same thing.

Baz Tench

5,648 posts

192 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Pints said:
A few years ago I had to urgently get my wife to the hospital in the early houra of the morning. A police car spotted me doing high speeds and followed in pursuit, blues & twos going.
I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.

If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
Good point, but I would have thought they would only target cars that fail to stop if there is a 'marker' on it, or it is reported stolen.

Could still be a grey area though.

Blown2CV

29,073 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Baz Tench said:
Pints said:
A few years ago I had to urgently get my wife to the hospital in the early houra of the morning. A police car spotted me doing high speeds and followed in pursuit, blues & twos going.
I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.

If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
Good point, but I would have thought they would only target cars that fail to stop if there is a 'marker' on it, or it is reported stolen.

Could still be a grey area though.
i think being perceived as running from the police would be seen as good reason to stop the car.

MagneticMeerkat

1,763 posts

207 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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It's not a great idea. Firstly it represents unjustified intrusion by the state and secondly there is the problem that it could be used for nefarious purposes.

The government would have to run a database of all the shutdown codes for all the cars (perhaps they could ask the DVLA?) and have transmitters all over the place to send them.

If that existed it could be broken into and over-ridden. Thus if a car thief were to get hold of a rogue transmitter, and a record of the relevant database, they could stop any car they wished. Kind of like car jacking by remote control. All they would have to do is follow the car to a desired spot, hit the button and go. On that note other criminals could do the same!

Such things have already happened with remote control locking over-rides so it would be feasible.

But back to the original point. I don't want anyone else to have the power to turn my car off!

bonesX

Original Poster:

902 posts

182 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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Mail Online:

'How police could soon be able to turn cars off remotely 'at the flick of a switch' under secret new EU plans'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548638/Ho...

redtwin

7,518 posts

184 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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Will the car owner have to foot the bill for this feature?.

If the system fails, will it be required by law to be fixed or be part of the MOT?.

If the answer is yes to either of the above, I am against it.

Leptons

5,142 posts

178 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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Clifford has had this system for years. It's called blackjax...

Hol

8,419 posts

202 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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I reackon Tin Foil Futures is where you want to stick your pension money.

I might also invest in some of those mirrors on sticks that can used to check under the bed every night.



However:

Aliens posing as human civil servants! - NOW that is real. wink


Negative Creep

25,016 posts

229 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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MagneticMeerkat said:
It's not a great idea. Firstly it represents unjustified intrusion by the state and secondly there is the problem that it could be used for nefarious purposes.

The government would have to run a database of all the shutdown codes for all the cars (perhaps they could ask the DVLA?) and have transmitters all over the place to send them.

If that existed it could be broken into and over-ridden. Thus if a car thief were to get hold of a rogue transmitter, and a record of the relevant database, they could stop any car they wished. Kind of like car jacking by remote control. All they would have to do is follow the car to a desired spot, hit the button and go. On that note other criminals could do the same!

Such things have already happened with remote control locking over-rides so it would be feasible.

But back to the original point. I don't want anyone else to have the power to turn my car off!
Not to mention that any serious criminal would immeadiately disable the system or use a car without it fitted

Dave Hedgehog

14,587 posts

206 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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Bennet said:
I'm finding it hard to imagine why anyone would mind this unless they

A. Envisage wanting to be able to run from the police
B. Are happy with the idea of other people running from the police and killing innocent people in the process.

What's the problem?
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.

willisit

2,142 posts

233 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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<Sigh> This was demonstrated on Tomorrows World back in the eighties.. so, it'll happen at some point or other. Any system can be abused but 99% of the time you'd never even know the thing existed.

Speed addicted

5,596 posts

229 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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Bennet said:
I'm finding it hard to imagine why anyone would mind this unless they

A. Envisage wanting to be able to run from the police
B. Are happy with the idea of other people running from the police and killing innocent people in the process.

What's the problem?
I thought every bloke envisioned running from the police?




Just me?
Oh.

PugwasHDJ80

7,541 posts

223 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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willisit said:
<Sigh> This was demonstrated on Tomorrows World back in the eighties.. so, it'll happen at some point or other. Any system can be abused but 99% of the time you'd never even know the thing existed.
You may need a copy of the whoosh parrote

people aren't complaining of the technology (after all various car alarm companies can supply the same kit), but the idea that the state can force you to have technology which gives it even more power for it to abuse.

GrizzlyBear

1,077 posts

137 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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Max_Torque said:
The GM "OnStar" system offers this service in the US currently.


Thing is, the better way to prevent police chases is to actually make the penalty for such activities severe enough to make the people who indulge in them think twice before doing it. Currently, we just slap their wrists and send 'em back out, and guess what, a few days/weeks/months later they are doing the same thing.
+1

Be far better to increase the punishment than create a big brother state (opps almost there). I don't even like the idea of a box in your car that will allow them to monitor your driving, let alone one where they can take control of the car remotely. How long will it be before they can lock all the doors and drive you to a safe area for containment?

After all, you have nothing to fear if you are a law abiding citizen...

Blown2CV

29,073 posts

205 months

Friday 31st January 2014
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this could be the thing the thread was intended to mean, rather than a 10 year old article

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...