Power to stop vehicles by remote control
Discussion
A few years ago I had to urgently get my wife to the hospital in the early houra of the morning. A police car spotted me doing high speeds and followed in pursuit, blues & twos going.
I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.
If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.
If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
You used to be able to buy (possibly from Maplin bit I may be wrong) little gadgets that did a similar thing. Basically they were a little black box with the guts of a mobile phone in plus an electric relay. Stick in a PAYG SIM and you could turn on or off anything, anywhere. I was planning on wiring one to my car's fuel pump so if ever it got stollen or carjacked then I could remotely stop it. No more dangerous than running out of petrol. The gadgets seemed to disappear off the market after the Madrid bombings - there were possibilities for them to be used for nefarious purposes I suppose.
lyndhurst25 said:
You used to be able to buy (possibly from Maplin bit I may be wrong) little gadgets that did a similar thing. Basically they were a little black box with the guts of a mobile phone in plus an electric relay. Stick in a PAYG SIM and you could turn on or off anything, anywhere. I was planning on wiring one to my car's fuel pump so if ever it got stollen or carjacked then I could remotely stop it. No more dangerous than running out of petrol. The gadgets seemed to disappear off the market after the Madrid bombings - there were possibilities for them to be used for nefarious purposes I suppose.
well yes rather, like turning on a bomb!The GM "OnStar" system offers this service in the US currently.
Thing is, the better way to prevent police chases is to actually make the penalty for such activities severe enough to make the people who indulge in them think twice before doing it. Currently, we just slap their wrists and send 'em back out, and guess what, a few days/weeks/months later they are doing the same thing.
Thing is, the better way to prevent police chases is to actually make the penalty for such activities severe enough to make the people who indulge in them think twice before doing it. Currently, we just slap their wrists and send 'em back out, and guess what, a few days/weeks/months later they are doing the same thing.
Pints said:
A few years ago I had to urgently get my wife to the hospital in the early houra of the morning. A police car spotted me doing high speeds and followed in pursuit, blues & twos going.
I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.
If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
Good point, but I would have thought they would only target cars that fail to stop if there is a 'marker' on it, or it is reported stolen.I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.
If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
Could still be a grey area though.
Baz Tench said:
Pints said:
A few years ago I had to urgently get my wife to the hospital in the early houra of the morning. A police car spotted me doing high speeds and followed in pursuit, blues & twos going.
I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.
If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
Good point, but I would have thought they would only target cars that fail to stop if there is a 'marker' on it, or it is reported stolen.I wasn't prepared to stop until I'd reached the hospital. Once we got there and they saw the situation, they were great and all ended well.
If they'd had the ability to stop me remotely, I don't think the story would have had a happy ending.
Could still be a grey area though.
It's not a great idea. Firstly it represents unjustified intrusion by the state and secondly there is the problem that it could be used for nefarious purposes.
The government would have to run a database of all the shutdown codes for all the cars (perhaps they could ask the DVLA?) and have transmitters all over the place to send them.
If that existed it could be broken into and over-ridden. Thus if a car thief were to get hold of a rogue transmitter, and a record of the relevant database, they could stop any car they wished. Kind of like car jacking by remote control. All they would have to do is follow the car to a desired spot, hit the button and go. On that note other criminals could do the same!
Such things have already happened with remote control locking over-rides so it would be feasible.
But back to the original point. I don't want anyone else to have the power to turn my car off!
The government would have to run a database of all the shutdown codes for all the cars (perhaps they could ask the DVLA?) and have transmitters all over the place to send them.
If that existed it could be broken into and over-ridden. Thus if a car thief were to get hold of a rogue transmitter, and a record of the relevant database, they could stop any car they wished. Kind of like car jacking by remote control. All they would have to do is follow the car to a desired spot, hit the button and go. On that note other criminals could do the same!
Such things have already happened with remote control locking over-rides so it would be feasible.
But back to the original point. I don't want anyone else to have the power to turn my car off!
Mail Online:
'How police could soon be able to turn cars off remotely 'at the flick of a switch' under secret new EU plans'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548638/Ho...
'How police could soon be able to turn cars off remotely 'at the flick of a switch' under secret new EU plans'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548638/Ho...
MagneticMeerkat said:
It's not a great idea. Firstly it represents unjustified intrusion by the state and secondly there is the problem that it could be used for nefarious purposes.
The government would have to run a database of all the shutdown codes for all the cars (perhaps they could ask the DVLA?) and have transmitters all over the place to send them.
If that existed it could be broken into and over-ridden. Thus if a car thief were to get hold of a rogue transmitter, and a record of the relevant database, they could stop any car they wished. Kind of like car jacking by remote control. All they would have to do is follow the car to a desired spot, hit the button and go. On that note other criminals could do the same!
Such things have already happened with remote control locking over-rides so it would be feasible.
But back to the original point. I don't want anyone else to have the power to turn my car off!
Not to mention that any serious criminal would immeadiately disable the system or use a car without it fittedThe government would have to run a database of all the shutdown codes for all the cars (perhaps they could ask the DVLA?) and have transmitters all over the place to send them.
If that existed it could be broken into and over-ridden. Thus if a car thief were to get hold of a rogue transmitter, and a record of the relevant database, they could stop any car they wished. Kind of like car jacking by remote control. All they would have to do is follow the car to a desired spot, hit the button and go. On that note other criminals could do the same!
Such things have already happened with remote control locking over-rides so it would be feasible.
But back to the original point. I don't want anyone else to have the power to turn my car off!
Bennet said:
I'm finding it hard to imagine why anyone would mind this unless they
A. Envisage wanting to be able to run from the police
B. Are happy with the idea of other people running from the police and killing innocent people in the process.
What's the problem?
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.A. Envisage wanting to be able to run from the police
B. Are happy with the idea of other people running from the police and killing innocent people in the process.
What's the problem?
Bennet said:
I'm finding it hard to imagine why anyone would mind this unless they
A. Envisage wanting to be able to run from the police
B. Are happy with the idea of other people running from the police and killing innocent people in the process.
What's the problem?
I thought every bloke envisioned running from the police? A. Envisage wanting to be able to run from the police
B. Are happy with the idea of other people running from the police and killing innocent people in the process.
What's the problem?
Just me?
Oh.
willisit said:
<Sigh> This was demonstrated on Tomorrows World back in the eighties.. so, it'll happen at some point or other. Any system can be abused but 99% of the time you'd never even know the thing existed.
You may need a copy of the whoosh parrote people aren't complaining of the technology (after all various car alarm companies can supply the same kit), but the idea that the state can force you to have technology which gives it even more power for it to abuse.
Max_Torque said:
The GM "OnStar" system offers this service in the US currently.
Thing is, the better way to prevent police chases is to actually make the penalty for such activities severe enough to make the people who indulge in them think twice before doing it. Currently, we just slap their wrists and send 'em back out, and guess what, a few days/weeks/months later they are doing the same thing.
+1Thing is, the better way to prevent police chases is to actually make the penalty for such activities severe enough to make the people who indulge in them think twice before doing it. Currently, we just slap their wrists and send 'em back out, and guess what, a few days/weeks/months later they are doing the same thing.
Be far better to increase the punishment than create a big brother state (opps almost there). I don't even like the idea of a box in your car that will allow them to monitor your driving, let alone one where they can take control of the car remotely. How long will it be before they can lock all the doors and drive you to a safe area for containment?
After all, you have nothing to fear if you are a law abiding citizen...
this could be the thing the thread was intended to mean, rather than a 10 year old article
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
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