Zero downforce F1 vs roadcars. When did roadcars getquicker?

Zero downforce F1 vs roadcars. When did roadcars getquicker?

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CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

199 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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thegreenhell said:
That seems to support the hypothesis that a 1967 F1 car (non-downforce and treaded tyres) is still substantially quicker around a circuit than a new road car.
yes
Last time this came up, I think somebody came up with some times that showed you had to go back to the mid-late 50s before a modern road supercar was faster than an F1 car. Though I'm sure it'll vary.
They knew how to go fast back then, that's for sure.

Eric Mc

122,174 posts

266 months

Saturday 6th August 2016
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kambites said:
The OP just said pre-downforce. I always think of F1 cars gaining wings in about 1970, but I might be wrong? There were certainly wing-less Lotus 49s which were DVF powered.

Hmm, it looks like wings first appeared in mid-68, so I guess the 69 cars would have had some downforce.
Posting to this old thread because I didn't see it first time round and someone linked it from another thread.

Wings were tried on cars as far back as the 1920s. They were experimented with at Le Mans in the mid 1950s but were banned before they could be raced.

Small "anti-lift" devices were allowed on Le Mans cars from about 1963 on. Can Am allowed full blown wings from 1966 on. Grand Prix racing was late to the downforce party - mainly because most F1 car designers didn't like wings and they assumed they would be outlawed anyway. The first wings to legitimately appear on GP cars was during the 1968 season.

thegreenhell

15,624 posts

220 months

Saturday 6th August 2016
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Eric Mc said:
Grand Prix racing was late to the downforce party - mainly because most F1 car designers didn't like wings and they assumed they would be outlawed anyway.
If only they had been...

Eric Mc

122,174 posts

266 months

Saturday 6th August 2016
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One of those seminal moments when history changed - although it wasn't that obvious at the time.