RE: Aston Red Bull hypercar confirmed
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
They're not saying F1, but LMP1. Still, I agree on all points. "fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Finally, why are AML messing around with stuff like this? Spend the money on what you really need for a long term future, namely the DB11 and new Vantage. Hows about making THOSE cars class leading instead of settling for the usual "that'll do" standard??
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
The only way I can see it fitting is that the car must be about 8ft wide going off that render..."fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
Max_Torque said:
"Quicker than an F1 car"
Who said this? The article certainly doesn't suggest anything of the sort. An LMP1 is around 8 seconds per lap slower than an F1 car at Silverstone.Either way, probably only ever to be seen moving at Goodwood FoS for the vast, vast majority of us.
Edited by ukaskew on Tuesday 5th July 15:28
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
All of that, AND it's apparently going to weigh less than 1,000kg "fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Too much BS.
I can just about believe that the track only car will keep up with an LMP1 car - LMP1 regs are pretty restrictive. I think the road car being "only slightly slower" is rather unlikely though. If the car in genuinely road usable spec can get within 15 seconds of an LMP1 car around Silverstone I'd be astonished.
Kraken said:
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
Who said it would be faster than an F1 car? Everything I've read today quotes them as saying it would be faster than an LMP1 car.There will be two versions, a track only car and a road car.
The track only car will be faster than an LMP1, which seems pretty feasible.
Why do we think the road car will have identical 'everything' to the track only car?
I haven't read anything that isn't possible.
Kraken said:
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
Who said it would be faster than an F1 car? Everything I've read today quotes them as saying it would be faster than an LMP1 car.However, i still can't really see that being the case, well not significantly quicker anyway, as an LMP1 car, despite being slightly hobbled by Regs is still a pretty dam focused and extremely optimised track car. perhaps this new thing might be juuust quicker on a single flying lap, allowing them to say they hit their goals etc.
The big issue for me is that it'll be a terrible road car, be just about impossibly to drive unless you are a proper racing driver, and it brings precisely nothing new to either AML's product portfolio or the general road car arena. It would have been a lot cheaper to just stick some AML badges on an ACTUAL LMP1 car would it not??
Lets face it, cars like the Caparo have shown that "being fast" is pretty irrelevant, and that too was a terrible road car.......
I'm not excited by the look of it.
And I'm not convinced that McLaren, Porsche, and Ferrari have anything to worry about. The Bugatti Veyron and now Chiron exist. Monstrous stats yes, but not really a drivers car.
Gotta question the way car design is going when every road test praises the new low-tech and slower 911R as the best road car of the Porsche range. It seems that the 570GT is the pick of the McLaren range. Even an everyday sportscar like the Boxster breaks the speed limit in 2nd. That's madness.
I mean it's nice that people build these things, and if I was a very very, very, rich man I might indulge myself. But a the poster above notes, Gordon Murray's Rocket may well be more fun.
I think I'd have more respect for a designer who said, right time for the definitive small fun sportscar of this present age.
And I'm not convinced that McLaren, Porsche, and Ferrari have anything to worry about. The Bugatti Veyron and now Chiron exist. Monstrous stats yes, but not really a drivers car.
Gotta question the way car design is going when every road test praises the new low-tech and slower 911R as the best road car of the Porsche range. It seems that the 570GT is the pick of the McLaren range. Even an everyday sportscar like the Boxster breaks the speed limit in 2nd. That's madness.
I mean it's nice that people build these things, and if I was a very very, very, rich man I might indulge myself. But a the poster above notes, Gordon Murray's Rocket may well be more fun.
I think I'd have more respect for a designer who said, right time for the definitive small fun sportscar of this present age.
Chris Stott said:
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
"fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
All of that, AND it's apparently going to weigh less than 1,000kg "fits 2 adults, a V12, some hybrid stuff" and yet it looks to have a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller package envelope than a 918/P1/LaLa, due to the underfloor channels required and low roof line. Where exactly are you going to put all those oily bits to actually make it work?
"Quicker than an F1 car" er, seriously unlikely, even given free rein without regs, and as anyone who has driven a very quick single seater with massive aero will testify, they make TERRIBLE road cars. P1/918/LaLa all took significant performance compromises on-board in order to make the decent to drive on the road
Tyres - this is the big one, it won't be quicker than an F1 car on ROAD LEGAL tyres
Secret "Adrian Newey" sauce - yes he's a pretty dam good race car designer, but even he can't brake the laws of physics. A "practical" road car can never be F1 car low, which is what is required to make underfloor ground effect aero work. Low drag isn't enough, you need the massive ratio of downforce to mass that an F1 car has to pull high G.
Road Car Homologation - er, just looking at that styling buck (which is what it is) i can already see probably 20 issues that won't pass series homologation.
Too much BS.
Kraken said:
Max_Torque said:
Sorry, but my BULLSH*T radar is bonging off the scale!
Who said it would be faster than an F1 car? Everything I've read today quotes them as saying it would be faster than an LMP1 car.I love that they're doing this so don't want to put too much of a downer on it, but it seems like they're already backtracking... Initially the announcement was of a road-going car that will be faster than an F1 or LMP1 car... and now it's a car with 2 different versions, and only the track-only variant will be faster than an LMP1 car...
I have a feeling there will be a few future changes too...
I have a feeling there will be a few future changes too...
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